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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2017-08-21

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13:47 nerzhul it seems justtest is seriously downrated http://servers.minetest.net/
13:49 Calinou it probably deserves it :P
14:05 nerzhul i push a trivial code fix https://hastebin.com/gasuvotime.cs
14:06 nerzhul it's absolutely not recommended to do global std::exception instance, exceptions must use a temporary
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14:23 celeron55 just hmmmm not knowing how to C++ 8)
14:28 nerzhul his C knowledges are very valuables but all is not good for C++
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16:37 Zeno` To all the people who received Kiraly's latest email, I'm ashamed of you all
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16:38 Zeno` You stand by letting him make fabricated (i.e. false) accusations against me, freenode and freenode's sponsors without saying a word
16:39 Zeno` He (Kiraly) is attacking innocent people and the entire FOSS movement and all you can all say is... nothing?
16:40 Zeno` I'm not even part of this project anymore -- I resigned 2 weeks ago!
16:41 Zeno` And, yet, you let me and others be the target of Kiraly's lies without saying a word?
16:44 Zeno` You let him get away with making very, very, very inappropriate statements emailed to VanessaE (she was CCd in the latest email) even though Abe just died? That's disgusting.
16:44 Zeno` I am appalled to tell you the truth
16:53 RobbieF (12:40:41 PM) Zeno`: I'm not even part of this project anymore -- I resigned 2 weeks ago!
16:53 RobbieF So sorry to hear this. All of it really... I am not in the loop as it appears I am not a part of whatever mailing list this is regarding, but I'm saddened to hear such news and am so sorry someone has been attacking valued members of the community.
16:54 Zeno` shit happens I guess, but this is truly fscked up
16:55 RobbieF :(
16:55 RobbieF Just don't let the actions of one person (or even many) get you down.
16:58 Zeno` oh it's gone WAY beyond just me now
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17:05 lisac hey, fuck OldCoder.
17:05 celeron55 he won't listen to anything - it's useless to say anything
17:06 lisac Hey celeron55 :)
17:06 Shara That is my problem. I have considered writing something, more than once, especially after certain recent things... But nothing I say could change anything.
17:06 celeron55 but if it helps, i don't support anything he says or does; it's been beyond stupid for a long time now
17:07 celeron55 and all of that will be kept out of the official minetest channels, if it makes you feel better
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17:08 celeron55 there's just nothing to be done about emails directly sent to people
17:08 Zeno` it makes me feel a little bit better I guess
17:08 Zeno` ty c55
17:08 celeron55 i receive them too, and frankly i've gotten good at teaching my spam filter
17:08 celeron55 which makes me receive them less...
17:09 lisac I don't know if I should feel left out for not getting daily dose of spam filter feed.
17:09 Zeno` lisac if you want to read some lies, check out minetest.org
17:10 Zeno` fascinating reading (of defamation, lies, and fabrications)
17:10 lisac Zeno`, I might've read that already.
17:11 Zeno` it's been updated
17:11 lisac I also did read the communist manifesto. It's an easier read.
17:11 lisac Hello DDoser group!
17:11 celeron55 i refuse to read any of it; the only purpose of it is to make people feel bad
17:12 celeron55 i refuse to watch and read news also
17:12 celeron55 just one thing to add to the things i don't want to know about
17:12 Zeno` celeron55, well... he is saying "minetest" is a DDoS group now
17:12 Zeno` so maybe you should ;)
17:13 celeron55 why? there's no proof
17:13 celeron55 and it's untrue anyway
17:13 Zeno` of course it's untrue
17:13 lisac celeron55, if zeno tries searching for a job, his employer googles his name
17:14 lisac then opens up a page saying he is mentally ill
17:14 lisac what do you think is gonna happen?
17:14 lisac will he check his sources?
17:14 celeron55 i can only hope the employer does not
17:15 lisac yeah, he can only hope too. The thing OldCoder is doing is very illegal
17:19 RobbieF Yowzers....
17:19 * RobbieF does not appear to receive the emails ya'll get. [perhaps thankfully]
17:19 * RobbieF gives the room a big group hug.
17:20 Raven262 Oddly enough, even though i have been talking to him a few months back, old coder never mentions me (as he did initially think i was his arch-nemesis cause i once said "hehe"). So i guess i'm happy.
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17:21 lisac not even me :( The guy left me out...
17:22 Raven262 He thought you were a professional psychologist or something, right?
17:22 Raven262 That guy is simply mad, and not in a good sense.
17:22 lisac B-but he said I was sent to psychologically evaluate him!
17:22 lisac right?
17:22 Raven262 Yea
17:23 * lisac is now playing Demon of the Fall (My Arms, Your Hearse) by Opeth [2:53/6:12] [Playing] [played 4 times] [Metal]
17:23 Raven262 lisac: wrong channel Oo
17:23 lisac :O ow
17:23 shivajiva be grateful that he leaves you out
17:23 lisac shivajiva, people he insulted can probably sue him if they want to bother with it
17:24 lisac they would need to prove it is damaging to their lives, which they probably could
17:25 lisac with either the new job idea, or something like finding new friends.
17:25 lisac and that whole website looks like rantings of a madman
17:25 shivajiva sure but then he gets full disclosure, names, addresses etc and can further harass you, it's a known pattern for troll types
17:26 shivajiva the law fails to protect victims
17:27 lisac of course; but if you also provide proof of medical illness, you could probably force him get a treatment
17:29 shivajiva you need to research the backdrop to this :)
17:30 tumeninodes As far as this topic goes, I just came here to suggest that anyone having issues with said individual, get a free consultation with an attorney over the matter. Bring evidence you have. There has been much harrassment and slander, defamation of character, etc. It does not matter where you live, the laws in this individual's jurisdiction is what matters. I, myself think the newly added remarks related to Vanessa are
17:30 tumeninodes outright disgusting and disturbing. That isall I will say on the matter. These are personal attacks and individual cases. Interesting note that much of the harrassment toward this group might be of interest to parties which once claimed he harrassed them in the past. There is more than enough proof he is fully capable and willing to do so. You can also approach an attorney and see if they feel these contacts (emails)
17:30 tumeninodes are worthy case for cease & desist orders, too which he would need to respond (including providing a valid address) etc.. Just contact an attorney if this individual's actions have impacted you in any way, emotionally, mentally, physically, etc..
17:31 lisac <OldCoder> Zeno`, I do not understand what you are talking about
17:31 lisac <OldCoder> You are speaking rubbish in an attempt to harm me
17:31 lisac that guy went full mental
17:31 Zeno` huh?
17:31 Raven262 No, really, you can't say anything to him to prove him wrong.
17:31 Raven262 He will just twist your words like its nothing.
17:32 sfan5 the only winning move is not to play
17:32 Zeno` sfan5, until you're the victum
17:32 lisac sfan5, yeah if he didn't harm people, that would the only move
17:32 Raven262 Cause the whole games is of his own design.
17:32 Raven262 *game
17:33 lisac I still think he just needs some medical assistance. I mean, look at those texts
17:33 lisac he thinks there is a conspiracy against him
17:33 Zeno` the thing is he has orchestrated a campaign of terror not only against minetest (as a project) but individuals and other organisations as well
17:33 Raven262 Before?
17:33 tumeninodes This issue should not be discussed on -dev. Each individual needs to handle this on a personal basis. Anyway, Hi all, and bye all heh. see you on -hub :)
17:34 Zeno` Well, yes, before this. But also in the last two months
17:34 tumeninodes last word, if done individually, he will be faced with too many fronts
17:34 Zeno` (2 months roughly)
17:35 Zeno` the people in the recipient list of his emails know that he is threatening not only the minetest project but freenode
17:36 Zeno` he is not, apparently, a nice person nor a supporter of FOSS
17:36 lisac does he really think he has any legal impact? If he takes this to court, he'll need evidence.
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17:37 Raven262 Which he claims he has, apparently.
17:37 Zeno` lisac, does it matter? He's published my name and falsely associated me with very serious crimes
17:37 Zeno` He's also said that that "minetest" is a DDoS group
17:38 Shara It is quite possible to do huge damage to a group or individuals without taking legal action or even having grounds to do so.
17:38 lisac no. But the important thing right now is he cannot harm freenode. As for the personal attacks, maybe you should just sue him
17:38 lisac or consult a lawyer
17:38 Shara lisac: reputational damage.
17:38 lisac y it is illegal.
17:39 KaadmY https://youtu.be/s93KC4AGKnY?t=4m33s
17:41 Raven262 Not playing here means to ignore it. That *is* harder than you imagine, sadly.
17:41 Zeno` yes, defamation
17:41 Raven262 He is pulling you into his game, you can not ignore it, you can not escape it. You have to fight back.
17:42 Raven262 That is exactly what he expects, too.
17:42 Zeno` anyway, I believe that on minetest.org he mentions that he will open new "pages" dedicated to attacking individuals
17:42 lisac How much is whatever this guy is on? http://irc.minetest.net/minetes​t-project/2017-05-23#i_4935092
17:44 lisac No, you aren't well. That is obvious, at least http://irc.minetest.net/minetes​t-project/2017-05-23#i_4935154
17:44 lisac I should stop doing this
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17:48 Zeno` For reference: (from Kiraly's site)
17:48 Zeno` 1. The parts related to project history, people, and Freenode are moving to new tabs. Presently, most of that is at this link.
17:48 Zeno` Vanessa Ezekowitz, Auke Kok, Perttu Ahola, and others will get their own pages or articles in the short term.
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17:49 Zeno` (end quote)
17:49 sfan5 do you have nothing better to do
17:49 celeron55 yeah, like, just ignore him
17:50 celeron55 you're going to have a bad time if you continue reading what he writes
17:50 Zeno` sfan5, did you get accused of the things he accused me of (yet)?
17:50 celeron55 and apparently already are having
17:50 celeron55 it's a psychological game, and not a nice one
17:51 Zeno` providing or publishing false statements is not a psychological game :/ It's illegal
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17:52 Zeno` anyway, whatever :)\
17:52 celeron55 he just wants you to feel as bad as he possibly can
17:53 celeron55 as long as you listen, it will not end
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18:01 nore #5274 is now almost complete (only remaining part is builtin lua code), but I'd like to have an automated way to translate LANG_CODE instead of having to do it for each language we already have, has anyone an idea?
18:01 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5274 -- [WIP] Clientside translate by Ekdohibs
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20:40 paramat #6256 is good can anyone review? however item sliding needs fixing, i'm happy to do this in a followup PR
20:40 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6256 -- Alternative code for slipping by bendeutsch
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22:02 nore except for documentation, and a debug commit that will need to be removed, #5274 should be complete now, can anyone review it please?
22:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5274 -- [WIP] Clientside translate by Ekdohibs
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