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00:23 octacian Are LBMs suitable to add particles to nodes?
00:24 bigfoot547 Never used 'em
00:24 octacian huh
00:24 octacian It's unclear
00:24 octacian Seems as though LBMs are either called once, period (even after a restart), or every time the block is loaded
00:27 octacian Works, but when a new player comes into the area where the original player caused a particlespawner to be added, the new player doesn't see any particles
00:27 octacian Any thoughts?
00:28 octacian I haven't defined a player option in the particlespawner definition
00:28 bigfoot547 Was the areal left unloaded by the first player?
00:28 octacian No
00:28 bigfoot547 Maybe that's why
00:29 octacian I thought that once the particlespawner was added though the particles would show for all players
00:29 octacian The original player already loaded the area causing the particlespawner to be added, so I'd expect that when the new player came into the area the particlespawner would be displayed to them
00:29 bigfoot547 Regression where not all particles are rendered?
00:30 octacian I dunno
00:30 octacian Doesn't seem to be anything in my code though
00:30 octacian VanessaE: Maybe you could give some input on how particles should be added to nodes?
00:30 octacian I mean, you've got the chimney in home decor, so... :P
00:31 octacian I wonder if this is a bug related to the commit that prevented particles from being sent to clients far away
00:31 bigfoot547 Yes
00:31 bigfoot547 That's what I said
00:32 red-001 hey does anyone know where the subgame spec is documented?
00:33 octacian It seems as though particles are only displayed if both clients were there when the particlespawner was added
00:33 octacian Well, I'mma commit my code and open an issue on github
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07:29 tenplus1 hi folks
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08:11 tenplus1 wb red
08:11 shivajiva Good morning ten
08:12 tenplus1 hi shiva
08:14 tenplus1 Mobs Redo updated - animations have loop setting, explosion damage provides 'pos' for knockback :)
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08:30 tenplus1 hi Megaf
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08:35 tenplus1 wb Dargod
08:36 shivajiva nice touch tenplus :)
08:37 tenplus1 the death animation repeats so it fixes that problem... also if you make a vehicle mob that you can ride then taking off and landing animations work without looping also :D
08:38 shivajiva heh you have been busy
08:38 tenplus1 gotta fix ALLLLL the bugs :P ehehehe
08:40 shivajiva hehehe
08:40 tenplus1 hows you ?
08:42 shivajiva always tired by Friday, but I got gcc 6 installed so I'm back in business, being unable to compile latest was quite annoying :)
08:42 tenplus1 what ya compling ?
08:43 shivajiva minetest, after jun 10 it needs a reasonably recent gcc
08:43 tenplus1 ah yes... the launchpad link I get my daily builds from no longer work before ubu 16.04 :P
08:44 shivajiva my dev machine is on mint 17.3 so it needed beating into shape
08:45 tenplus1 ehe... am waiting for ubu 17.10 alpha and will switch to that
08:45 tenplus1 I like testing new releases
08:46 shivajiva I've noticed lol
08:49 shivajiva I kinda slowed down due to the setup I need taking time to re-establish, apps, shortcuts, file extensions means it's less than trivial but way better than the amount of work to shift a windows setup ;)
08:49 tenplus1 *shudder* winblows
08:52 shivajiva yea dotnet updates take so much time never mind the bloated VS and al the other crap
08:52 tenplus1 dontnet is a lazy ass way of doing things
08:52 tenplus1 and the fact it installs them ALL is annoying, same with vs c++ updates
08:56 tenplus1 thankfully my other desktop is running Wine 2.0.1 with Steam to get to all my games :) works perfectly
08:57 shivajiva I was chatting to a MS employee a few years ago who totally agreed they lost the plot by bloating VS, always nice to see the staff knowing better than the management
08:58 tenplus1 yeah, windows is totally screwed now...
09:00 shivajiva as a reasonably large contributor to linux you just know they will end up sat in it, they ain't that stupid
09:00 tenplus1 it still surprises me that driver packages are huge...  a wifi driver was over 180mb to download
09:02 shivajiva wow are they hiding parts of the internet in their driver packages :)
09:02 tenplus1 lol...  in this day and age where compilers can optimize end results nothing should be THAT huge anymore without reason
09:04 shivajiva the reason is to make tasks take the same amount of time for the end user so there is little difference in any of their OS offerings despite the tech advancements
09:05 tenplus1 scary...  gimmie linux anyday, at least everyone works hard to optimize things and fix issues fast
09:06 shivajiva ^
09:08 shivajiva https://www.quora.com/Why-wont-the-left-let-​Trump-bring-the-coal-mining-jobs-back/answer​/Franklin-Veaux?share=44f380f7&srid=Z6DG
09:08 tenplus1 lolol
09:09 shivajiva :D
09:10 shivajiva I like reality checks
09:10 tenplus1 indeed, plain talk is the best way... that's if it doesnt offend the pc brigade :PPP
09:12 shivajiva it's their job to be offended, cant stop em
09:13 tenplus1 good point
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09:20 shivajiva https://www.quora.com/What-are-som​e-of-the-funniest-got-fired-storie​s/answer/Rajeev-Garg-1?srid=hRZoX
09:21 tenplus1 lol pizza
09:43 Calinou hi
09:43 tenplus1 hi Cal
09:43 Calinou shivajiva: VS 2017 is a smaller download/install than VS 2015, by the way
09:44 Calinou here, it says it's 14 GB, VS 2015 was more like 18-20 GB for the same feature set
09:44 Calinou it also starts up much faster, in 3 seconds you can see the welcome screen
09:44 tenplus1 VS???
09:44 Calinou Visual Studio
09:44 tenplus1 ohh
09:44 Calinou also, you can install the C++ compiler without the IDE, which should only require 5-6 GB
09:45 tenplus1 14gb is still kinda large
09:56 Bobr2 hi
09:56 tenplus1 hi bob
09:56 Bobr2 how are u today ten
09:56 tenplus1 goox thx, you ?
09:57 Bobr2 good thanks exited got prom tonight
09:57 tenplus1 nice one... :) hope you have fun
09:57 Bobr2 thanks i will do :)
09:58 * Bobr2 decided not to go to after prom
09:58 tenplus1 go to where ?
09:59 Bobr2 after  prom prom is organised by school after prom is organised by the students
10:00 tenplus1 oh right...  heh...  I never had a prom at my school when i was there, dont know what really goes on apart from what i see in movies :P
10:00 shivajiva same here
10:00 Bobr2 lets just say after prom you dont feel safe in usualy
10:00 tenplus1 eek, not good
10:05 Calinou prom is a thing I've never been in and I don't regret it
10:05 Calinou :D
10:07 tenplus1 :P
10:13 Bobr2 lol
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10:17 tenplus1 hi DS-minetest
10:19 DS-minetest hi
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10:35 tenplus1 hi Fixer
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10:37 tenplus1 wb Raven262
10:37 Raven262 Thanks tenplus1
10:49 Bobr2 gg
10:49 tenplus1 hh
10:49 Bobr2 doesnt every comment have potential to cause drama
10:50 tenplus1 depends on how you interprit the comment I suppose
10:50 Raven262 if you are creative enough...
10:52 tenplus1 a good example was the "Hugh Mungous" video :)))))))))
10:55 tenplus1 did you see that one ?
10:56 Raven262 I didn't
10:57 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzA4dCT4X0I <-- original video
10:57 tenplus1 worth a watch... a simple name sparks something horrid
10:58 Raven262 Am I sure that i want to open that link? xD
10:59 tenplus1 watch the 1st 2 mins, that's all you need for the example ;D
11:03 Raven262 lol
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11:11 tenplus1 hi lisac, hi NathanS21
11:11 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
11:11 tenplus1 duude, did you try the bag of winds yet ???
11:12 NathanS21 if you're asking me, no
11:12 NathanS21 I haven't been doing much with Minetest this week, have had a lot of other stuff going on.
11:12 tenplus1 lol, the inventory bags mod you made a video of has "bag on winds" which is amazing
11:12 * DS-minetest did
11:13 NathanS21 Ya, I guess there is a handful of bags that I didn't see because I didn't have some optional dependencies.
11:14 tenplus1 aww, I checked out the mod after watching your vide and saw a few extra things, although flying around with the bag of winds was like iron man trying his new gloves for the 1st time :D
11:14 NathanS21 :)
11:16 DS-minetest afaik, the bag of winds sets the player gravity to a negative value. interesting is, that the first half nodelength is slower
11:16 tenplus1 yeah, sets - gravity so you float up :P was fun
11:17 NathanS21 I'm going to have to check this out.
11:21 tenplus1 I think the only issue with bag of winds would be 3d_armor mod would override it
11:23 lisac Hi tenplus1
11:23 tenplus1 o/
11:24 * Bobr2 internet is being realy weird
11:25 tenplus1 whats happening ?
11:25 Bobr2 being slow like unusualy slow
11:26 tenplus1 Q. what windows or linux version ?
11:26 Bobr2 ubuntu mate but its being slow on my phone as well never gets slow if it has any problems it eiither just says its working or it doesnt work at all
11:28 tenplus1 hrm, reset router/modem, turn off phone for a few mins and boot into ubuntu's usb flash-drive and do a speed check
11:28 tenplus1 will let you know if a rogue app or background process is stealing bandwidth
11:28 Bobr2 ok its working now fine for some reason
11:28 Bobr2 i swear some one is messing with me
11:28 tenplus1 hehehe, prolly an update to app store or repo list
11:29 tenplus1 happens :D
11:29 NathanS21 nmap will find anybody on the network.
11:29 Bobr2 nah no update wasnt going on
11:29 tenplus1 depending on settings it runs in background, will load new repo list in background etc.  that's why I turn it off
11:29 tenplus1 same with google play store, does it in background
11:29 NathanS21 maybe your smart light bulbs were downloading a system update. :P
11:30 tenplus1 lol
11:30 tenplus1 had to add that new feature... ON, OFF, BLINK!!
11:31 * Bobr2 is just running around exited like a chicken
11:33 * Bobr2 will go to prom around seven and take his laptop with him leave it at his freinds and finish around 11 and then will go back to freinds house with freind and then do some work on AMHI till about three am lol
11:34 tenplus1 lol, got your night planned :P
11:34 Bobr2 i have
11:34 * Bobr2 is getting to many of these errors
11:34 Bobr2 2017-06-23 13:30:34: ERROR[Server]: mysql_auth: record_login(pvp) failed: affected row count is 4, expected 1
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11:38 tenplus1 hi zeno
11:38 Bobr2 wb zeno
11:38 Zeno` hi
11:39 Bobr2 tenplus1 any idea what that error means? would be greatful
11:40 tenplus1 looks like it's giving a number of rows/items affected by whatever is causing it... what you running ?
11:41 Bobr2 idk i dont host the server i only run it
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11:42 tenplus1 hi fussel
11:42 Bobr2 wb IhrFussel
11:43 IhrFussel Hello there^^
11:43 tenplus1 back laters :P need to buy foody :)))
11:43 Bobr2 ok
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11:44 Bobr2 how are you today IhrFussel
11:49 IhrFussel I'm alright and you?
12:15 Bobr2 im alright thanks
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12:25 red-001 looks like elitebnc is rebooting the server I'm using
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12:42 IhrFussel Bobr2, ihrfussels-server.tk/player_light.zip < should work but untested
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12:44 tenplus1 hi folks
12:50 IhrFussel WB tenplus1 ... also Bobr2 you need to specify a nodename in the code that you want to use as light
12:50 tenplus1 o/ thx fussel
12:50 so_this_broke I guess I'm still offline
12:52 tenplus1 hi so_this_broke
13:04 Raven262 Calinou, can we get tnt.wad on your server?
13:05 Calinou I can change the IWAD, but not right now
13:05 Raven262 I got tired of playing doom2 all over and over again xD
13:05 Raven262 Sure
13:05 Calinou going to deliver my internship report at university
13:05 Raven262 Btw, what are you hosting the server on?
13:05 * tenplus1 steals Calinou's report and changes all of the words 'the' to 'wibble'
13:05 Calinou a VPS
13:05 Raven262 Oh nice.
13:07 Calinou heh, funny one... the server is down now because I tried to restart it
13:07 Calinou and I don't have libjpeg62, which the server requires (!)
13:08 Calinou done, it works
13:08 Calinou server should be running tnt.wad now
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13:08 Calinou *** MAP01: system control ***
13:08 so_this_broke oh great they just broke stuff while rebooting
13:08 Raven262 Thanks, Calinou :D
13:11 Raven262 I never understood why is there a cyberdemon on map01 of tnt
13:12 Raven262 Like no one has weapons to defeat him on the first map :P
13:13 tenplus1 did you find the secret room containint the poo-on-a-stick
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13:34 tenplus1 wn nrz
13:34 tenplus1 *wb
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13:34 tenplus1 hi Jordach
13:35 Jordach hello tenplus1
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13:44 tenplus1 hi LazyJ
13:45 LazyJ Howdy tenplus1 ;)
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13:53 tenplus1 wb red
13:58 Raven262 Nope tenplus1 i found no such room
13:58 Raven262 Oo
13:58 tenplus1 :P
13:58 Raven262 We managed to get to the end of the first tier i think
13:58 Raven262 me, hijenavuk and some random players that periodicaly joined
13:59 Raven262 Actually it seems we only got tho the map08 :/
13:59 Raven262 *to
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14:30 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
14:30 DI3HARD139 Hello
14:47 Raven262 playing doom these days http://i.imgur.com/rshR9KY.png
14:47 tenplus1 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6ZLN4WOS1Ts/hqdefault.jpg
14:48 Raven262 xD
14:48 tenplus1 gotta love bad lip syncing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E
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15:26 tenplus1 hi cx384
15:30 cx384 hello tenplus1
15:33 * twoelk dares a peek while waiting for hometown to restart in debug modus
15:34 tenplus1 hi twoelk
15:34 twoelk o/
15:34 tenplus1 :P
15:34 cx384 \o/
15:35 tenplus1 heh
15:35 Raven262 Could hqx texture scaling be implemented in minetest?
15:54 paramat seems better to use that when creating a texture pack than include that in MT
16:01 tenplus1 o.O we have snow stairs ??? isnt it too soft to make stairs
16:01 tenplus1 hi paramat
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16:01 tenplus1 wb Fixer
16:04 IhrFussel tenplus1, have you ever been hit with a snowball? I wouldn't call that "soft"
16:04 tenplus1 that's compacted snow
16:04 tenplus1 snow/snowblock is just fallen snow
16:04 tenplus1 I'd make it into compressed snow before making it into stairs
16:05 IhrFussel You have to compact it in order to form it I'd say
16:05 IhrFussel or compress*
16:08 cx384 snow can't smelt, right?
16:09 DS-minetest afaik it can
16:09 twoelk I remember RL snowstairs :-D they are fun when the sun comes out
16:09 tenplus1 :P
16:10 DS-minetest heh, the only problem, if you step on it, it breaks
16:11 twoelk rather you break your bones
16:11 cx384 Yeah.
16:11 twoelk snow can be quite hard and durable if compacted and used right
16:13 cx384 twoelk, do you want to live in a snow house?
16:14 twoelk I built many a snow hut as kid, it's fun and can be quite warm
16:14 IhrFussel twoelk, that's why I added snowblocks to the saw
16:14 Raven262 Right, paramat, I have seen that gzdoom uses it, but it seems to impact the fps a lot :/
16:14 twoelk I'd rather live near a southsea lagoon though
16:15 cx384 thats comprehensible
16:30 Fixer compacted snow is very good
16:31 tenplus1 imo a recipe should be added to compact snow and use that as stairs, but its too late now
16:40 paramat you can walk on snowblock, that's solid enough
16:41 paramat Raven262 hqx would not run in-game, that would kill performance
16:42 Raven262 Gzddom seems to handle it quite fine
16:43 paramat it doesn't seem needed, low res textures are mean to be low res, not smoothed
16:43 tenplus1 smoothed low-res textures look crappy anyhoo
16:44 Raven262 Yes you are right, gzdoom also uses much larger textures :/
16:44 Raven262 But why do we have bilinear and trilinear filtering?
16:45 tenplus1 good question
16:46 paramat actually, the performance hit probably isn't huge
16:48 paramat so perhaps we already have the feature with our filters?
16:49 benrob0329 Filtering is necessary for high resolution textures
16:49 tenplus1 does using backface culling give a noticable increase ?
16:50 paramat i'm actually not sure if our filters act on enlarged textures, never use them
16:51 Raven262 For magnifying computer graphics with low resolution and/or few colors (usually from 2 to 256 colors), better results can be achieved by hqx or other pixel art scaling algorithms. These produce sharp edges and maintain high level of detail.
16:51 Raven262 hqx^
16:51 paramat .. thought it was more for distant detail
16:51 Raven262 The difference between the bilinear/trilinear and hqx is really noticeable
16:52 paramat i think we actually want to see the pixels of close textures, that's what MT is about, pixel art
16:53 octacian I'm going to be gone till Sunday afternoon, may pop in sometime over the weekend, but unlikely. Cya'll then! :D
16:53 tenplus1 have fun octacian
16:53 octacian heh, Thanks :)
16:53 Raven262 And why do we have bilinear and trilinear filters then, paramat?
16:54 Raven262 hqx preserves the texture better than those
16:54 Fixer http://www.sysopt.com/showthread​.php?35953-3DMark-99-Max-results
16:54 Fixer 18 years ago.......
16:55 paramat our filters seem to be for dealing with distant detail?
16:55 paramat if not, hqx is nice and sharp yes
16:56 Raven262 More impact on distant detail has antialiasing
16:56 tenplus1 Stairs Redo updated...  Added backface_culling, ice/snow/new sandstone stairs and tidied code
16:56 Raven262 I didn't notice much impact from the trilinear/bilinear filter :/
16:57 tenplus1 same... the only thing it does for me is blur lowres textures...
16:57 tenplus1 nothing else really changes
16:57 Fixer I only use aniso
17:07 red-001 shivajiva, remeber that issue with someone stealing items?
17:39 tenplus1 from a locked chest?
17:42 red-001 oh it was with toggling infinate items in a shop right?
17:42 tenplus1 eek
17:52 Calinou happy belated 21st birthday, Quake
17:52 Calinou here's the QuakeWorld launch video, this happened before I was born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXw6BkZ-gdY
17:52 Calinou :DF
17:52 Calinou :D*
17:52 tenplus1 heh, Quake was a fun game
17:52 Calinou you can see Carmack caressing a cat in the video
17:52 Calinou :D
17:57 * benrob0329 is glad to finally have a chill-ish day
17:57 tenplus1 :)
17:57 benrob0329 Schedule has been absolutely insane lately
17:58 tenplus1 some chill time is always needed :)
17:59 benrob0329 The ish comes from the fact that there are still some things to do today
18:04 Fixer Calinou: have not even heared about QuiakeWorld, and I played Quake I/II like in 1998
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18:32 tenplus1 wb ssieb
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18:34 tenplus1 wb lisac
18:35 lisac thanks tenplus1
18:35 lisac I was napping
18:36 Shara Hello all
18:37 tenplus1 hi shara
18:38 tenplus1 hows things
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18:40 tenplus1 wb nrz
18:40 benrob0329 Technic is dying :'-(
18:41 tenplus1 aw
18:41 benrob0329 It breaks more and more with every release, and no alternative exists
18:41 tenplus1 it will need to be rewritten
18:44 Shara tenplus1: Not bad, just not really awake :P
18:44 Shara Trying to plan what to do with the weekend
18:44 tenplus1 relaxx and eat pizza :D
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18:45 tenplus1 wb paramat
18:45 tenplus1 Shara: I dunno if you're using it but Stairs Redo had an update :)
18:45 Shara I probably am
18:45 Shara Hi paramat
18:46 lisac paramat, why do you think current description position is better than my proposed one?
18:46 tenplus1 added some new default stairs, it use sbackface_culling which is suposed to speed up drawing of stairs
18:46 Shara lisac: I agree with paramat completely, sorry.
18:46 tenplus1 description positoin ?
18:46 Raven262 Hello Shara
18:46 Shara Hi Raven262
18:47 lisac tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5978
18:47 lisac Shara, I see. But I don't think anyone told me why
18:47 Shara Well, why do you prefer it different from current?
18:47 lisac Because it doesn't move with the cursor :P
18:47 lisac I think it makes it look cleaner
18:48 Shara I simply wouldn't like it.
18:48 lisac :(
18:48 lisac Do you think the current position is perfect?
18:48 tenplus1 keep it as it is...
18:48 Shara Define perfect?
18:49 Shara But I prefer to go with don't fix what isn't broken on this kind of thing
18:49 Shara People can have a dozen different preferences for what might be a slightly nicer position, but you're unlikely to get lots of people to agree on one
18:49 lisac I did propose having it as a setting
18:49 tenplus1 position it to pointer, nice n simple
18:49 Shara And no one has complained about the current position, but I suspect there'll be complaints if it changes.
18:50 Raven262 paramat, would it be much of a work to make a test version for the hqx? Just thinking that we should see how it looks in minetest, I'm not too sure that 16x16 graphics are going to be scaled as well as 64x64 and 128x128 ones that i've seen.
18:50 Shara I'd be fine with it as an options, if default stays the same, but that's up to the devs.
18:50 Shara option*
18:52 tenplus1 how's the map layering feature coming along paramat?
18:56 paramat hi lisac, i explained why in the PR, 'lower right at the base of the pointer and after the stack number' looks better to me than 'below'
18:58 paramat Raven262 i look forward to you coding hqx :] it's likely no-one else will
18:58 Raven262 I'm no coder, sorry xD
18:58 paramat hehe
19:02 benrob0329 Steam sales are back
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19:02 tenplus1 wb LazyJ
19:02 tenplus1 ooh steam sales, anything good ?
19:02 benrob0329 Im tempted to buy The Long Dark and make a series
19:03 paramat onety-one, i'm experimenting, so far i can make multiple layers but every layer has the same terrain character (as if an extension of other levels)
19:03 paramat .. not very interesting
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19:04 tenplus1 wouldnt setting different height biomes change this character?
19:05 paramat well partially
19:05 paramat what's needed is terrain shape character to alter per-level, difficult work
19:05 tenplus1 at least it generates layers now with biomes and decoration :)
19:05 tenplus1 for me that's good... cant wait to try it out
19:06 LazyJ Thanks, tenplus1 ;)
19:13 paramat well i have multiple mapgens i'm experimenting with, another approach to realms may interest me more, whatever i do, MT's world space will be used
19:15 tenplus1 yay...  *eager*
19:17 Calinou benrob0329: I bought a Star Wars game pack, with Jedi Academy/Outcast
19:17 Calinou aka. "Quake 3 Lightsaber Edition"
19:17 Calinou :P
19:17 Calinou Jedi Academy at least uses a modified Quake 3 engine
19:17 tenplus1 heh kewl... last game set I bought was Humble Indie Bundle
19:18 Calinou I don't have much storage space available right now :(
19:18 Calinou only a few GB
19:18 Calinou my old 500 GB might be dead
19:18 Calinou so I can't put it in my desktop
19:19 Calinou need to test it in an external enclosure
19:19 Calinou too bad, it cost €140 back then, today it's €150 or more
19:19 Calinou (SSD prices went up, they were *cheaper* in 2015)
19:19 tenplus1 went up ? no way... ebuyer.com has a sale on and they are quite cheap
19:19 Fixer steel beasts is bad fucker, tried a lot of ways, still won't run past XP
19:20 tenplus1 doesnt it work in compatibility mode
19:27 Calinou also, there's a new highest discount on Quake on Steam, and the bundle is cheap too, http://store.steampowered.com/app/2310/QUAKE/
19:28 Calinou for those who haven't bought it yet :D
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19:33 tenplus1 hi stormchaser3000
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20:00 Raven262 Calinou, Heretic & Hexen series for 2.50€ also sounds nice :)
20:00 Calinou yeah, I bought these on the last sale
20:00 Raven262 Really?
20:00 Calinou they're ok but I don't enjoy magic-themed games that much
20:00 Calinou yeah, they were in the winter sale 2016
20:01 Raven262 I like them very much
20:01 Calinou I have all Doom engine games pretty much
20:01 benrob0329 I prefer scifi
20:01 Raven262 Well i guess i prefer that style over scifi
20:01 tenplus1 a wee bit of nostalgia
20:01 Raven262 But its a matter of taste i guess
20:01 Calinou Doom is just a special game to me... my dad let me play it when I was 4.5 years old or so
20:01 Calinou I only came back to it in late 2015, when I was 17
20:01 Calinou :D
20:01 Raven262 Really? mine too
20:01 Calinou I remember a few scenes of the game
20:02 Raven262 Damn i was afraid of the pink demons like hell
20:02 Raven262 They don't seem so nightmare-ish now
20:03 Calinou cacodemons scared me
20:04 Raven262 I only had the demo version then, so no cacos
20:04 Raven262 i guess they would be really scary too then
20:04 Calinou I had the full game on a CD, IIRC
20:05 Raven262 Nice
20:05 benrob0329 Living skeletons scared the crap outa me as a kid
20:05 Calinou played with DOSBox, my dad did not know about source ports
20:05 Raven262 Mine still doesn't
20:05 Calinou I remember this scene from the game, I took this screenshot today: https://lut.im/fqfk6GHbu9/mGMQvsHeoEfMoqvf.png
20:05 Calinou the orange sky, green walls, and pickups/staircase in front of you
20:05 tenplus1 sweeeet, brings back memories :D
20:05 Calinou also there's a cacodemon that flies up into that room, from outside
20:05 Raven262 I can't remember where is this
20:05 benrob0329 Nowadays it takes a lot to scare me
20:06 Calinou E4M7: And Hell Followed
20:06 Calinou I love the level names :D
20:06 Raven262 Oh yes
20:06 Raven262 I remember now
20:06 Raven262 Well its been more than few months since i played ultimate doom
20:06 Calinou although, I did not know much about the game back then... let me make a few more screenshots
20:07 Raven262 Still, i can say that nothing beats that feeling which i had when i got the rest of the wads
20:07 Raven262 I mean aside from doom1.wad
20:08 Calinou E1M3: "How do I get to this secret?" - I remember my dad telling me I could press Q to jump (?), but it didn't work... for obvious reasons
20:08 Calinou https://lut.im/IVEN58CJqp/MEaozDNwEc9J81Re.png
20:08 Raven262 lol
20:08 Raven262 My father always knew of that secret and i have no idea how he found out
20:08 benrob0329 Would anyone be interested in me doing a The Long Dark series?
20:09 Calinou although, some things struck me when I seen them recently, that I didn't know back then
20:09 Calinou like, Doom 2 secret levels, Ultimate Doom episode 3 and 4 end pictures
20:10 Calinou Raven262: I remember that secret trolling me all the time by closing itself in front of me :P
20:10 Calinou also, I didn't know about E1M9
20:10 Raven262 I know, Calinou, trolled me too a lot
20:11 Raven262 There is a secret on e1m9 that neither i or my father knew of
20:11 Raven262 And my brother found it by accident few months after we got the full game
20:11 Raven262 that elevator in the corner if you know which one i mean
20:12 Raven262 Also, when going trough e1m3, secret level was a must xD
20:14 Calinou hmm, I found the E1M5 secret pretty recently
20:14 Calinou pentagram-shaped structure which is a teleport
20:14 Calinou like, 5 months ago
20:14 Raven262 lol
20:14 Raven262 i had the problem finding the secret behind those barrels on the start xD
20:15 Calinou I remember playing Doom 2's MAP31
20:15 Calinou reading the wiki to find MAP32
20:15 Raven262 lol
20:15 Calinou I then played Wolfenstein 3D E1M1, and found E1M10 the same way
20:15 Calinou (same location)
20:15 Raven262 i also played wolfenstein map that looks like doom2's map31
20:16 Raven262 but wolfenstein wasn't that interesting to play
20:16 Calinou yeah it's not very fun these days
20:16 Calinou still is worth trying
20:16 Calinou but it also gets you dizzy quickly, since the levels are very maze-y
20:16 Calinou it's also very hard IMO
20:17 Calinou I can't beat E3M9 in lowest skill without cheats
20:17 Raven262 the main reason why i din't play it that much is cause i got stuck in the absence of the automap
20:17 Calinou ECWolf has an automap
20:17 Calinou try it
20:17 Raven262 nice
20:17 Calinou native resolution, true mouse support
20:17 Fixer hmmmm
20:17 Raven262 linux support?
20:17 Calinou yes
20:17 Raven262 nice :D
20:18 Fixer i don't know, how MONKEY you can be to fucking write this crap, that won't start past WinXP, and no fucking hack will help it (including wrappers)
20:18 Fixer tanksim.exe
20:18 Calinou you need to play E3M9, just because of the final boss :D
20:18 * Raven262 has to play e3m9
20:18 tenplus1 run inside vb
20:18 Fixer tenplus1: i have
20:18 Fixer tenplus1: but this is shitty
20:18 Fixer so i've tried wrappers
20:19 Fixer d3drm.dll error
20:19 tenplus1 old games arent 100% compat... shame but true... only fallback is vm running xp or wine
20:19 Fixer d3dim.dll crash
20:19 Fixer fuuuck
20:19 Fixer i've tried dxwnd, wined3d, ddwrapper
20:19 Fixer nothing helped
20:19 Fixer it starts, but crashes during ingame
20:19 Fixer how shitty
20:19 Fixer you don't write software for win like that
20:19 tenplus1 what's the title of the game again ???
20:20 Fixer even tried dgvoodoo in dx mode
20:20 Fixer tenplus1: "Steel Beasts"
20:20 Fixer tenplus1: no need to google
20:20 Fixer tenplus1: nobody ever had success running it post XP
20:20 tenplus1 not google :P
20:20 Fixer it does not even run on wine
20:21 tenplus1 hah, the writeups are funny... no one could get it running either :DDDDDD
20:21 benrob0329 Wine in 2000 mode?
20:21 tenplus1 PlayOnLinux using latest wine dev was best they managed
20:23 Fixer it runs only in VM
20:23 Fixer but thats not cool enough
20:23 tenplus1 shittily made game indeed :P
20:24 benrob0329 Dosbox?
20:26 Fixer there is also M1TP2, and it runs
20:26 Fixer released in 2000
20:26 Fixer yet they wrote it THAT SHITTY
20:27 Fixer 640*480*256 colours
20:27 tenplus1 damn... no excuse for that... throwing games out for cash gain without making it properly
20:27 Fixer so i apply the 256 colour fix
20:27 Fixer and it crashes
20:28 Calinou eh, for what it's worth, even id Softwar can be lazy
20:28 Calinou Quake 3 does not come with proper widescreen support, its HUD is stretched
20:28 Calinou despite the devs having such screens back in 1999
20:28 Calinou although, very few other games supported widescreen properly back then
20:28 Calinou (but I think Quake 2 was easy to modify to support it fully)
20:29 Calinou (unlike Quake 3, which locks down game logic modifications on "pure servers")
20:29 Calinou (and you need to modify the game logic to fix widescreen)
20:37 tenplus1 nite all :P
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20:40 Raven262 I'm sure that real germans are not screeching like this when you kill them.
20:40 * Raven262 was palying wolfenstein3d
20:42 Fixer Calinou: thats different, at least it runs
20:42 Calinou Raven262: mein leben!
20:43 Fixer there is one more game that gets on my nerves
20:43 Fixer Mech Warrior 3
20:43 Calinou better play Meth Warrior 3
20:43 Raven262 Calinou, blue ones are even realistic comprared to the brown ones, they are screeching sometimes xD
20:45 Raven262 If you look at the screen long enough you can think of the ceiling being the sky
20:46 Calinou there's an easter egg in secret levels
20:46 Calinou killing an enemy has a low chance of replacing the death sound with a fart sound
20:46 Calinou like in E1M10
20:47 Raven262 lol
21:00 Fixer sorry for offtopic
21:00 Fixer sometimes i want to fight with those games that refuse to work
21:00 Fixer it all started with pcem v12 videos
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21:00 Fixer they have voodoo 2 emulation
21:03 Fixer so you can pretty much emulate PC of that time
21:03 Raven262 I'll run halo on linux in wine just to show microsoft whos the boss.
21:03 Raven262 xD
21:03 Fixer something like Pentium 133MHz / S3 / Voodoo2 / audio / etc
21:08 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_wiaVl1i9Q
21:08 Calinou [demonic screeching]
21:08 Calinou (relevant to Quake)
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21:33 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyMM0D_qx9o
21:33 Fixer quake related
21:34 paramat yeah MT is offtopic, make sure to post about quake and doom
21:37 Fixer less offtopic
21:37 Fixer https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1794
21:37 Fixer something intensifies
21:38 Raven262 paramat, http://i.imgur.com/rshR9KY.png this goes where?
21:38 Raven262 i guess its both ontopic and offtopic :P
21:39 Shara Hmmm.. coloured beds?
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21:40 paramat using hardware colouring yeah
21:41 VanessaE homedecor beds had that months ago :)
21:42 sfan5 do homedecor beds feature bed bugs? ;)
21:43 Fixer bad bed bugs
21:50 Shara Random chance to get bitten?
21:54 paramat hehe
21:57 Shara paramat: wouldn't it make more sense for fancy beds to have colours than simple ones?
21:57 Shara They are, after all, "fancy" :P
21:58 Raven262 Make them rainbow colored
21:58 Shara I actually find the simple ones really ugly and try not to use them
21:59 Fixer coloured mobs in MTG
21:59 Shara Oh, let's just hope for any mobs in MTG first (even if bed bugs!)
22:06 Fixer "Apps That Emulate a Game System" Are Now Banned from the Windows Store
22:08 benrob0329 soo, people have to put those on Steam now :PP
22:09 Jordach Fixer, whoever gets a Gameboy Emu inside MC:PE gets MC:PE banned ;)
22:09 Jordach or: Turing Machines break app stores ;)
22:11 paramat yes i guess it's obvious fancy ones will be wanted too. but i think coloured simple beds will be wanted just as much
22:12 Fixer paramat: coloured baked clay *cough*
22:12 Fixer also, kid friendly
22:12 Fixer they love it
22:12 Shara paramat: then add both :)
22:12 paramat clay is not available in large quantities, painted stone might be better
22:13 paramat yes the PR will add both
22:13 paramat also less of a MC copy
22:14 paramat (painted stone, that is)
22:14 Jordach why not lime as well
22:14 Jordach make it slightly glow too ;)
22:15 paramat then there's the problem of very limited dye resources ..
22:15 Fixer paramat: yeah, thats minus, what I see is holes in sand everywhere since kids dig out all the clay
22:16 Jordach have clay generate underground
22:17 paramat maybe too unrealistic
22:17 Jordach and what's wrong with that
22:18 garywhite Hello
22:20 sfan5 <paramat> clay is not available in large quantities
22:20 sfan5 it should be tho
22:20 sfan5 what if I want to build a brick house?
22:21 Shara Too little clay has annoyed me before as well
22:22 Fixer funnily not long ago clay was even more rare (because of bug)
22:22 Shara Ethereal bsaically drops in a biome that is made of clay to handle this. Not the nicest looking biome in my opinion, but it means I get clay :P
22:27 Fixer today I've learned OpenTTD sound pack is considered non-free by debian standards
22:30 paramat lots of clay blobs would look messy on the seabed, but an all-clay-seabed biome would look better
22:31 Shara Maybe possible to have different types of ocean biome, to some extent?
22:31 paramat that could possibly be added into an existing biome
22:31 paramat we do already, one for each land biome
22:32 Shara Hmm, I'm thinking more away from land
22:33 paramat they extend into deep water too, all ocean is an ocean biome linked to a land-type biome
22:33 Shara Hmm, can't say I ever noticed it
22:34 paramat only the shallow seabed varies, deep seabed is sand in all ocean biomes
22:36 Shara Yea, and it's the deep parts I am thinking of
22:36 Shara Give people more reasons for diving :)
22:37 paramat we can have underwater decorations restricted to certain ocean biomes
22:38 Shara Even that would be nice
22:38 paramat reminds me: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5748
22:41 Shara Yea, need proper water plants
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22:43 Shara Get that in, drop some interesting things to find in the deep sea, and find a use for coral... then the sea would be interesting :)
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22:45 paramat mtg devs are mostly absent recently, it's spooky
22:46 Shara Yea, noticed.
22:47 Shara And I'm too scared to spend much time on MTG PRs :P
22:52 Shara Ugh... I think I missed a capitalisation error on my last commit :(
23:45 benrob0329 https://vimeo.com/21019139
23:46 benrob0329 (Yes, its on-topic. Minetest could use a good soundtrack mod)

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