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02:58 ThomasMonroe well i gtg to bed cyall tomorrow
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08:34 Atorian37 hi all, i wonder why the android client takes up to 5 minutes to connect to my server while the windows client has about 20 seks until it is loaded to play? it is on the same network... any idea where i have to dig for that?
08:50 CWz holy crap the is a 0.4.12 server on the serverlist
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08:51 tenplus1 hi folks
08:51 Atorian37 ...a mt-museum maybe ;-)... hi tenplus1
08:52 tenplus1 hi Atorian
08:53 Atorian37 maybe youv got an idea tenplus1, why my server takes up to 5 mins when i connect with android..., it stops by "media"...with linux/win all ok
08:53 tenplus1 stops altogether or just loads really slowly ??
08:53 Atorian37 it seems to "pause"
08:54 tenplus1 and you've ruled out the usual memory restraints, out of space, network connection speed ??
08:54 Atorian37 i am not really into mobile devices... but after this 5 mins it works...
08:54 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
08:54 tenplus1 do you have a virus/spyware scanner on mobile ?
08:54 tenplus1 hi raven
08:54 Atorian37 network is ok....
08:55 Atorian37 hmmm i will check again but not as far as i remember...
08:55 Atorian37 space is also ok, the memory is 1gb, should be ok?
08:56 tenplus1 1gb is ok but all depends what android is taking up and apps running in background...
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08:56 CWz cool a evil mobed give my cart a push
08:57 tenplus1 ehehe, hi CWz
08:58 Atorian37 as i realise upon your reaction, it is nothing known... I will check the memory, too
08:58 tenplus1 those are the first port of call when checking if a game doesnt load properly...
08:59 tenplus1 also how much media does the actual server have, on a mobile device it could load and save to cache real slow
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08:59 tenplus1 hi sniper
09:00 Atorian37 is there a setting to make this media caching faster for mobile devices? I think intuitively, that could be the cause...
09:00 tenplus1 it caches to your internal memory or sd card, so having a faster sd card would help
09:01 Atorian37 can i set somewhere where it caches to?
09:01 Atorian37 it should be in the cleint?
09:01 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
09:02 tenplus1 that shows all of the settings for minetest.conf file that you can change which may help
09:04 Shara Morning all
09:04 tenplus1 hi shara :P
09:04 Shara Atorian37: do you get the same issue on all servers, or just that one?
09:05 Atorian37 hi Shara, I am testing right now, get back in a few secs
09:05 tenplus1 is it helps, try Xanadu server... it's light on media (1.5mb)
09:06 Shara Yup, Xanadu is usper light :)
09:06 Shara super*
09:07 CWz How do mob spawners work?
09:07 tenplus1 in mobs redo /
09:08 CWz yes
09:08 tenplus1 place and right click, will appear with a string like this:  mobs_animal:pumba 10 15 0 0
09:09 tenplus1 <mob to spawn> <min light needed> <max light needed> <amount to spawn around spawner, 0 to disable> <distance from player before triggered>
09:09 tenplus1 runs every 10 seconds with 1 in 4 chance of spawning
09:11 Atorian37 its the same on other servers...not only on mine. i tried the apple tree survival pve & build, it took about 2 mins... but not 5 like mine. where do i reduce the "media" load?
09:12 Shara media is server side
09:12 tenplus1 yup, you either optimize all of the media (shrink images and sounds) or get a faster sd card for your mobile
09:13 Shara Just be aware that most servers with a high number of mods, or that use speciial textures, might have a very slow connection for you as things are
09:14 Shara Not that many admins seem to take steps to reduce media
09:14 tenplus1 *cough*
09:14 * Shara hands tenplus1 a  throat sweet
09:14 tenplus1 ehehehe
09:14 tenplus1 ta!
09:14 Shara :D
09:15 Atorian37 :) ok... thanks, i will check what i can reduce on my server...
09:16 Shara Most images can be reduced
09:16 tenplus1 what's your server name Atorian ?
09:22 tenplus1 o.O
09:25 tenplus1 Atorian37: what's your server called ???
09:25 CWz Time to create the Dungeon slave mob
09:26 CWz ...
09:26 CWz eh next week
09:26 Atorian37 sorry had a phone call. my server is that one: minetest.homelinux.net:30005     0/10 0/2        0.4.15, minetest, v6
09:26 Atorian37 > G R Ü E Z I !
09:26 tenplus1 ooh, dungeon slave :P beats the silverfish I have there already :D
09:26 tenplus1 connecting
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09:33 tenplus1 hi twoelk
09:33 twoelk hi
09:36 tenplus1 'nice server  :P
09:36 Atorian37 thank you :))
09:36 tenplus1 if you try Xanadu you'll see ambience lite in action... even has jungle sounds for night/day :D
09:37 tenplus1 Q. if I place sound files inside a texture pack will minetest use those instead of existing one's on server ???
09:37 tenplus1 was that update added alread y?
09:39 twoelk pff, I just checked my screenshots folder and noticed I have subfolders for some 50 different public servers I have visited
09:39 tenplus1 lol
09:40 twoelk now if I built on only half of them    . . .
09:43 * Shara liked the little cottage :P
09:43 CWz great weild hand is glitching out
09:45 twoelk thx, first time I used or rather missused them bookcase doors
09:47 twoelk btw, Shara, I was just organizing some irc channels. what was the one for redcatcreative?
09:49 CWz bug with the wield view
09:49 CWz https://youtu.be/2xrDmT7YaIo
09:53 * twoelk thinks KVIrc could do better with organizing channels by user preferences
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10:05 tenplus1 hi paramat
10:06 Shara Hi paramat
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10:08 tenplus1 hi Jordach
10:11 Jordach eeeeee
10:11 Jordach 4 days to prime day
10:11 CWz anyone know of an CSM mod that displays the irl time on the hud
10:12 Jordach that's a piece of cake
10:12 Jordach for anyone
10:14 * Jordach is testing out a friends ATH-M50X
10:26 tenplus1 hrm... wasn't there a change added to allow local sounds to be used like texture packs ?????
10:26 tenplus1 am I missing something here
10:27 Shara I thin it was talked about, not sure if it ever happened
10:27 tenplus1 could have sworn something was added within last month
10:27 * tenplus1 is going nuts
10:27 twoelk don't sounds go into the sounds folder?
10:29 tenplus1 ooh, checking
10:30 tenplus1 sounds folder is in .minetest folder ?
10:30 tenplus1 or is that withint texture pack ?
10:34 twoelk hm, I have my main_menu.ogg in sounds parallel to the bin folder
10:34 Jordach fun fact, main menu loads lua relative to bin
10:34 tenplus1 wait, it has to go in bin folder ?
10:35 Jordach twoelk, tenplus1: the main menu expects /minetest_dir/bin/ as the lua file path
10:35 tenplus1 I want users to add sound packs for ambience mod so supply music
10:35 tenplus1 http://wiki.minetest.net/Sound_Packs
10:35 twoelk oh, and ambience in testsounds, wonder wether that still works
10:35 Jordach however, you can do /minetest_dir/bin/../builtin/mainmenu
10:36 tenplus1 nup, sounds folder or testsounds folder inside .minetest doesntwork
10:36 tenplus1 still plays old sound
10:37 twoelk strange, my mainmenu tune still works
10:38 tenplus1 files are names ambience_song.1.ogg to .6.ogg and was hoping the silent files would be replaced by the actual music files locally
10:39 twoelk wasn't local overriding the base idea of the sounds folder?
10:39 tenplus1 that's what I was hoping...
10:40 tenplus1 ah ok, it works now
10:40 twoelk you could rename one to main_menu.ogg to see if minetest finds the folder
10:40 tenplus1 I had to delete original audio files from mod itself for it to force load them from sounds folder
10:40 twoelk ah
10:41 tenplus1 but... it stalls minetest while loading in media
10:41 twoelk still loads the local media into the cache?
10:41 tenplus1 nothing in cache
10:42 tenplus1 prolly cause media is 1.2mb on it's won
10:42 tenplus1 *own
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10:43 tenplus1 hi calcul0n
10:44 twoelk some time ago I had experimented with market sounds that change as you wander over the market. as mt sort of kept loosing sounds I somewhat lost interest
10:45 tenplus1 I have added a timer to ambience lite mod and when it hits a certain number of seconds (10 mins) it'll play "ambience_music" and select from .1 .2 .3 .4  etc
10:46 tenplus1 I coudl make it the same as minecraft though and have random tune play at sunset, noon or sunrise
10:47 tenplus1 in fact, yeah... that soundsbetter than the timer :DDD
10:47 Shara I sort of dislike sounds at a given time of day unless there is a gameplay related reason to need to knwo the precise time
10:47 Shara know*
10:47 Shara For example, know when night starts/ends could help players on DL, but on most servers it seems needless
10:47 tenplus1 ambience music can be disabled
10:47 twoelk well mining deep could be a reason
10:48 tenplus1 but if I have it play a random song at sunrise and sunset then it's all good :D
10:48 Shara twoelk: But if you are mining, why does knowing the time actually matter?
10:48 Shara It doesn't change the gameplay for you
10:48 twoelk underground activity of mobs on some servers is still related to daytime
10:48 twoelk *time of day
10:49 Shara Hmm, that's not the norm though
10:49 Shara Liek I said, if the server has done something to make it matter, it's a good thing
10:49 twoelk don't tha bad npc change behaviour at night on xanadu?
10:50 tenplus1 spiders are daytime docile, so at night they attack players
10:50 Shara Light level related only I think, so meaningless underground
10:50 tenplus1 certain mobs spawn at night, yes
10:50 Shara But yea, it's something
10:50 Shara I just really want sound effects/music that is more subtle than "plays tune at a set time" :(
10:56 twoelk the minimal use of music and the very unhectic tunes was one of the things that I really liked in mc - might be different today though
10:56 calcul0n hello
10:56 twoelk o/
10:57 tenplus1 works surprisingly well...  plays music at midnight and noon
10:57 tenplus1 wish I could get a hold of RBA's techno music, link doesnt work :(
10:58 twoelk that was a little too exiting for my liking
10:58 * twoelk looks if he still has a copy
10:58 tenplus1 ?
10:59 tenplus1 gonan change it to midnight only :D
11:00 twoelk hm I have zip called mtmusic-rba worth 386mb
11:00 tenplus1 oof
11:00 tenplus1 was the pack he used on original ambiance mod forumn page...
11:02 twoelk technic-ambience with 18mb?
11:02 tenplus1 yeah :DD
11:02 tenplus1 that's the one
11:03 twoelk I'll upload it this afternoon to dropbox or something - remind me again
11:03 tenplus1 thankies :PP
11:04 twoelk maybe vanessa has a version on her media server?
11:04 paramat yes MC's use of music is good, no over-deliberate connection with environment or time
11:04 tenplus1 k, it's changed so that it plays at midnight each day...
11:04 tenplus1 1 song a day :D
11:07 Atorian37 tenplus1, the ambience light does not play any music right?
11:07 tenplus1 nope, sounds only... but... if you have music files available in your local sounds folder then it will :D
11:08 Atorian37 ahh thats the piont, tnx
11:08 Atorian37 *point
11:14 tenplus1 the only annoying part is the loading of the audio file, it stalls game until done
11:20 Atorian37 but it stalls it only for the player login in?
11:20 tenplus1 no, when it loads music file for the first time in the middle of a game it stalls client
11:22 Atorian37 ok but not the server for all players, thats ok
11:22 tenplus1 server is fine, yes
11:23 Atorian37 but the light version is now loaded within 1 minute on the android, thats fine .)
11:23 Atorian37 :)
11:23 tenplus1 sweet :P
11:23 tenplus1 will update shortly to new version, final testing
11:34 twoelk lol, I seem to have frozen my dropbox, should have waited until I'm on a faster connection
11:34 tenplus1 heh
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11:35 tenplus1 hithomas
11:35 ThomasMonroe hey ten
11:37 tenplus1 Ambience Redo 0.9 released, can now play music files on server or local client (not included) https://github.com/tenplus1/ambience
11:41 ThomasMonroe thats neat
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11:53 tenplus1 wb
12:01 JordachL hm]
12:02 tenplus1 :P
12:02 tenplus1 Ambience Redo 0.9 released, can now play music files on server or local client (not included) https://github.com/tenplus1/ambience
12:02 JordachL dropouts are related to marvell wifi being literally worse than aetheros on ubuntu
12:02 paramat new mapgen added!
12:02 JordachL i like the sound of that
12:03 JordachL tempted to eventually disable the option to use other mapgens in Solar Plains
12:04 tenplus1 w00t, has it layers paramat?
12:05 JordachL links pls
12:10 red-001 oh btw have you see my port of your mod to CSM tenplus1 ?
12:10 tenplus1 which mod ?
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12:15 tenplus1 hi NathanS21
12:15 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
12:15 tenplus1 what's new ? :P
12:16 NathanS21 Maybe getting my house today, after waiting for three months
12:16 tenplus1 ooh nice one :)
12:17 tenplus1 is it in a nice area ?
12:17 NathanS21 My closing has been pushed back so many times already.
12:17 NathanS21 A very nice area
12:17 tenplus1 +100 :P
12:17 NathanS21 street on two sides, and then an alley behind
12:17 NathanS21 so I have one neighbor
12:17 tenplus1 incase you need to evade cops :D  ehehe
12:17 NathanS21 funeral home across the street to the one side
12:18 NathanS21 and a small business district on the opposite side of my one neighbor,
12:18 NathanS21 very quiet area
12:18 tenplus1 sounds good :D
12:19 NathanS21 hardwood floors, it's really nice
12:19 NathanS21 needs some work, but nothing I shouldn't be able to handle with some time
12:20 tenplus1 *cough* gaming room
12:20 NathanS21 Well that will be my bedroom
12:20 Atorian37 thank you tenplus1, second "update" on the same day... looks good
12:21 paramat onety-one, no layers, it's not by me
12:21 tenplus1 paramat: what kinda mapgen is it ?
12:21 tenplus1 Atorian37: you can copy the music files from the original ambience mod and place them inside your sounds folder locally for them to work still :P
12:22 * tenplus1 is testing RBA's techno mix
12:23 Atorian37 ok, I will chec k that right now... could serve them for players on a webserver for dl maybe...
12:23 tenplus1 yeah :P this way they can choose music to their own tastes
12:23 tenplus1 even minecraft tunes :P ehehe
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12:26 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
12:27 Atorian37 tenplus1, what is the default sounds folder on the clientside? (actually using win7)
12:28 tenplus1 the minetest folder you place texture packs inside, make a sounds folder and plop them in there
12:31 paramat onety-one see the PR thread
12:32 tenplus1 am on git and see no new commits for mapgen apart from mgv6 ores
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12:32 tenplus1 hi Fixer
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12:36 tenplus1 wb celeron
12:38 RobbieF hi tenplus1
12:38 RobbieF catch the show?
12:38 tenplus1 not yet :P was working on mobs and ambience... will check now :DDD
12:39 tenplus1 ep 510 ?
12:42 tenplus1 w00t LXDE :PPP mah fav.
12:43 JordachL gahk
12:43 JordachL i feel like total shit
12:43 tenplus1 whassup dude ?
12:43 JordachL something something i should eT
12:43 JordachL eat
12:44 tenplus1 that extra spring roll was dodgy huh?
12:44 tenplus1 RobbieF: is 510 the show that has the VR stuff innit ?
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12:48 Atorian37 tnx tenplus1, "sounds" great ;)
12:48 tenplus1 working ok ?
12:49 Calinou hi
12:49 tenplus1 hi Cal
12:51 Atorian37 checking right now
12:51 tenplus1 will update Xanadu later tonight and test some local music on client for it :P
13:00 red-001 https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/05/23/stack-ove​rflow-helping-one-million-developers-exit-vim/
13:00 red-001 {off} it seems that ukraine is the worst at exiting VIM
13:00 tenplus1 lololol
13:01 Fixer at least we tried vim
13:01 JordachL LMAO
13:01 JordachL >CSS
13:02 JordachL you're using the wrong shit jquery dev
13:02 JordachL go install brackets.io]
13:02 JordachL then call it an evening :sunglasses:
13:03 JordachL don't you just love stupid webdevs who don't realise that C/++ runs everything
13:03 JordachL when confronted with those tools, >how to exit vim#
13:04 Calinou C/C++ don't quite run everything today
13:04 Calinou they run a lot of system tools and basically all games except Minecraft
13:04 Calinou but... most web back-ends are not C or C++
13:05 JordachL Calinou, Java is just still C at it's core
13:05 Calinou yes, in fact LWJGL is mostly C
13:05 tenplus1 *shudder* java
13:05 Calinou Minecraft uses LWJGL, so it uses native code indirectly
13:07 tenplus1 wait... I isntalled that for linux as well when testing minecraft...
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13:07 tenplus1 hi lisac
13:08 lisac Hey tenplus1
13:08 lisac local store is selling apricots 1kg for ~1/3€
13:09 lisac I didn't know I could eat this many of them
13:09 tenplus1 ehehehe
13:09 ThomasMonroe lol apricots are good
13:09 ThomasMonroe i dont get alot of those in Texas
13:09 Calinou Minecraft used to ship with a very outdated LWJGL version (from like, 2009)
13:09 Calinou updating it brought you slight performance improvements and bug fixes
13:09 Calinou (since it's unmodified, you could do this)
13:09 ThomasMonroe woah that is old
13:09 Calinou but now it's up-to-date
13:10 * Calinou will upgrade his Debian 8 VM to Debian 9
13:10 Calinou I use it only for testing AppImages anyway, I also have a Fedora 25 one
13:10 * tenplus1 wonders if ubuntu 17.10 is built with debian 9 packages
13:10 Calinou testing on latest Debian + latest Fedora + latest Ubuntu should be a fairly safe bet
13:10 Calinou Ubuntu 17.10 will have more recent software than Debian 9
13:11 Calinou since Ubuntu bases itself on either Testing or Unstable
13:11 tenplus1 ooh, even better :DDD
13:11 JordachL https://open.spotify.com/tr​ack/0oSyI05eexswATGWa0qGRR :D
13:11 tenplus1 the Lubuntu 17.10 alpha 1 flash drive I booted from was really smooth, even noveau graphics
13:13 * Calinou edited the sources.list, time to dist-upgrade
13:14 JordachL Calinou, fucking catn.com 404ing me
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13:14 tenplus1 what distro you using cal ???
13:14 tenplus1 wb thomas
13:14 JordachL manjaro
13:14 JordachL :^)
13:14 Calinou tenplus1: Debian in a VM
13:14 Calinou my native OS is still Windows 10
13:14 JordachL ^^^
13:15 tenplus1 dont they have an update manager to handle dist upgrades ?
13:17 Calinou they do
13:17 Calinou you edit sources.list, then "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
13:17 tenplus1 heh, so manually then :PPP
13:17 Calinou Ubuntu has "do-release-upgrade", which does that + a few more things
13:17 tenplus1 I moved from 16.10 to 17.04 using:   sudo update-manager -d
13:18 Fixer *,..,,,*
13:20 RobbieF tenplus1 no 511 is the Virtual Reality show
13:20 tenplus1 I dont see 511 on the site dude
13:20 tenplus1 510 is the latest
13:20 RobbieF no, 511 was live last night. It goes up on-demand later today.
13:20 RobbieF you'd have had to catch it live.
13:20 RobbieF or wait till it's up on the site  :D
13:20 tenplus1 ooh, will get it tonight in that case :DDD
13:21 Calinou tenplus1: yes, you can upgrade either with GUI or CLI in Ubuntu
13:21 Calinou Debian is CLI-only, and they call themselves "ready for the desktop", lol
13:21 Calinou (nobody takes Debian seriously as a desktop distro)
13:21 Calinou (even the developers sometimes, I'd say)
13:21 tenplus1 the "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is what I do every few days to install updates normally
13:22 Calinou "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" is a shorter version, which works since Ubuntu 14.04 and Debian 8
13:22 Calinou (read: literally anywhere)
13:22 Calinou apt is nice, but doesn't have autocompletion IIRC
13:22 Calinou but for updates you don't need it
13:22 Calinou it also provides a persistent progress bar and colors the output a bit
13:23 JordachL Calinou, still no support for the surface pro :(
13:24 tenplus1 ?? Ubuntu can be installed on surface pro without issue
13:24 Calinou Linux works like crap on Surface Pros really
13:24 Calinou (coincidence, I think not, whatever)
13:24 JordachL i bought a copy of win 10 pro
13:24 JordachL the license cost the same as the machine, so i got a surface for free lmao
13:24 Calinou tons of things don't work or are buggy
13:24 Calinou >buying Windows
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13:24 JordachL it's even got the sticker :D
13:24 Calinou our friend whose name starts with a K and ends with an o does it for you, you know
13:24 RobbieF K tenplus1 - sure hope you enjoy!
13:25 RobbieF was a great show
13:25 RobbieF Calinou are you kidding me?
13:25 tenplus1 :PPP
13:25 RobbieF http://category5.tv/shows/clips_tech​/episode/509-debian-stretch-stable/
13:25 JordachL Calinou, my desktops win 10 pro key was a dreamspark key before the restrictions :DDDDDD
13:26 JordachL so it ended up become a retail key
13:26 JordachL -become
13:26 Calinou RobbieF: no :D
13:26 tenplus1 hrm, volume buttons and webcam have issue, but everything else runs ok
13:26 RobbieF Then you are very, very wrong Calinou.
13:26 JordachL tenplus1, i boot to windows in 2 seconds :D
13:26 RobbieF You're subscribing yourself to a 10 year old view of Debian
13:27 Calinou oh, the desktop thing
13:27 RobbieF Which is described in the video above
13:27 Calinou well, it still has a terrible desktop experience
13:27 Calinou compared to, well Ubuntu or even Fedora
13:27 Calinou (source: I have run Debian testing on my desktop back in 2015)
13:27 Calinou (a bit after Jessie's release)
13:27 Calinou it was stable, nothing really broke
13:28 Calinou but god, the issues that were never fixed...
13:28 Calinou (it was on Xfce)
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13:31 JordachL tenplus1, Calinou http://i.imgur.com/PFO01d6.jpg
13:31 Atorian37 tenplus1, there is no local sound playing from the sounds folder, is it called sounds or sound...the folder?
13:31 Calinou isn't it called testsounds?
13:31 Calinou or was it renamed
13:32 tenplus1 sounds
13:32 Calinou JordachL: thanks for using compact taskbar and non-compact icons
13:32 Calinou that's how you're supposed to use it :D
13:32 tenplus1 the same folder you keep textures, worlds and game inside, make 'sounds' folder and place them in there
13:32 Calinou heh, I'm using 13.1 GB of RAM out of 32 GB right now
13:32 nerzhul it is not recommended to do full upgrade on apt. apt-get upgrade + dist-upgrade
13:32 Calinou with three VMs open
13:32 nerzhul Calinou, bad
13:33 Calinou nerzhul: "apt full-upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade") is an alias for "apt-get dist-upgrade"
13:33 nerzhul with KSM on KVM i can run 10 debian with 256Mo ram :D
13:33 Calinou get your facts straight
13:33 Calinou it works exactly the same
13:33 JordachL Calinou, Intel i5 3317U, 4GB DDR3 :D
13:33 nerzhul full-upgrade = dist-upgrade then you don't skip upgrade
13:33 Atorian37 in textures setting i see sounds and in the sounds folder, there are some ogg sound files, but i don't hear any sound while gaming...
13:33 nerzhul you skip*
13:33 Calinou also, my VMs have 2 GB of RAM allocated (if not 4, I don't remember)
13:33 Calinou and two of them have GUIs
13:33 JordachL (Not using the battery optimised iGPU drivers, gib frame rate above a slideshow)
13:33 tenplus1 Jordach https://imgur.com/a/mnUg1
13:33 Calinou so far my upgrade is doing fine...
13:34 JordachL tenplus1, i can actually make the taskbar even more transparent
13:34 Calinou also, Fedora makes the guest additions installation very easy, which is nice
13:34 Calinou (with GNOME)
13:34 JordachL (thanks, classic shell)
13:34 Calinou Debian Xfce is "go figure lol"
13:35 JordachL tenplus1, 17 years ago a 2 second boot time would be literal witchcraft to all IT departments
13:35 Atorian37 for local sound files, is it ok to place the ogg files in the folder /mt dir/textures/sounds/?
13:36 tenplus1 you gotta rename them remember...    e.g.   "ambience_music.1.ogg"   "ambience_music.2.ogg" etc
13:36 tenplus1 those are waht mod looks for
13:36 tenplus1 if it cannot find it on server then it'll look client-side
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13:36 Atorian37 ahhh ok
13:37 tenplus1 hi DS
13:37 DS-minetest hi tenplus1 and all others
13:42 tenplus1 o/
13:46 Fixer JordachL: lies... 17 years ago DOS booted pretty much within seconds
13:46 JordachL Fixer, but a full windows system?
13:47 Fixer win 3.11 was loading quite fast
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13:49 Atorian37 77schatz
13:51 tenplus1 windows 10 doesnt really boot that fast though, it uses fast startup which is kinda like hibernation
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13:53 tenplus1 https://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-​and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mode/
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14:00 shivajiva Hi folks, ten I added your border code to a repo I created, hope that's okay?
14:01 shivajiva tenplus1 ^
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14:03 JordachL *autistic screeching*
14:04 tenplus1 hi shiva :) that's fine
14:04 JordachL goddamn marvell wifi
14:04 shivajiva https://github.com/shivajiva101/border
14:04 * benrob0329 pops in for a few
14:05 tenplus1 hi benrob
14:05 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
14:05 shivajiva thanks, I added mod storage for persistence of state across server restarts in case it's desired to have it open at times
14:05 tenplus1 good idea... xanadu defaults to closed incase of attack :P
14:06 shivajiva yea, I like it installed but don't always need it refusing new players, just nice to have the option ;)
14:07 benrob0329 Calinou: upgrades are easy with a rolling release distro :PP
14:07 shivajiva if your looking in my repos check player_clean
14:08 tenplus1 Ambience Redo 0.9 was released, can play music from server or locally to save connection time :D
14:09 JordachL https://open.spotify.com/tr​ack/1TOLkkkpfEBojytMPAE9Pp
14:09 JordachL LMAO
14:09 shivajiva :D
14:10 JordachL Pistorius Rhapsody
14:10 JordachL i'm dying with laughter
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14:11 tenplus1 hi cx384
14:11 cx384 o/ tenplus1
14:16 benrob0329 I think both of my bash.org quotes were rejected :-/
14:20 JordachL rekt
14:21 benrob0329 #rejected
14:22 tenplus1 run minetest on 8k screen, found a nice snowy biome: http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaF​iles/picture/2183782/84932194.jpg
14:22 JordachL >EBAUMS
14:22 JordachL WHAT YEAR IS IT
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14:26 tenplus1 wb twoelk
14:26 twoelk hi
14:27 * twoelk needs a coffee after 2 hours in a traffic jam
14:27 tenplus1 (_)P
14:29 tenplus1 back laters o/
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14:38 Fixer THE FINEST
14:40 JordachL i turned off wifi power saving
14:40 JordachL meow
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14:50 Calinou benrob0329: yes... I think rolling release makes more sense on the desktop overall
14:51 Calinou but unfortunately, neither Ubuntu nor Fedora are fully rolling right now
14:51 Calinou Fedora is somehow half-rolling, many packages aren't frozen in their versions
14:51 Calinou (but not all)
14:51 Calinou Ubuntu only really unfreezes the web browsers and nothing else
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15:15 JordachL i think thats fixed the wifi issue plaging the Marvell wifi chipset
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15:19 JordachL_ nope#
15:19 JordachL_ reeeeee
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15:21 JordachL changed the registry settings o 5ghz
15:22 JordachL (the asus router provides both)
15:45 Calinou just went to see the Tour de France in my street, you can see the Maillot Jaune on the picture (he has a LCL shirt): https://lut.im/uvV2Oj9Biv/YOgSZ74EdX0Y18qA.jpg
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15:49 JordachL_ REEEEEEE
15:49 JordachL_ Calinou, is that sponsored sperm shooting past>
15:53 Calinou JordachL_: ?
15:53 JordachL_ think about itr
15:57 Calinou https://letsencrypt.org//2017/07/06/wil​dcard-certificates-coming-jan-2018.html
16:23 Calinou KaadmY: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima​ges/original/000/911/037/e65.jpg
16:23 Calinou 1v1 me in quack
16:23 KaadmY Noplz
16:23 KaadmY Seen that like years ago too :P
16:24 Calinou one day we'll have Quack 3 Arena, with The Longest Duck
16:24 Calinou and Quack Champions
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17:06 KaadmY Quick suggestion: make wieldhand change FOV while zooming
17:12 DS-minetest change fov on zooming is very good idea but what has the wieldhand to do with it?
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17:14 KaadmY DS-minetest: It just looks really wrong
17:16 DS-minetest hm, true, it should be made bigger and positioned more to the right and down
17:16 KaadmY Yeah
17:16 KaadmY That's called a lower FOV..
17:17 DS-minetest oh
17:18 DS-minetest ah, oops, i confused fov and viewing range
17:18 KaadmY Ah :P
17:18 DS-minetest => viewing range should also be increased on zoom
17:19 KaadmY Maybe
17:20 Calinou <KaadmY> Quick suggestion: make wieldhand change FOV while zooming
17:20 Calinou haha, yeah
17:20 Calinou some games don't do that (or didn't) and it looks silly
17:20 KaadmY Calinou: like Minetest >.>
17:22 Calinou reminds me... Quake Live sets the FOV of the player when you spectate a player
17:22 Calinou it looks terrible sometimes :(
17:22 Calinou many people play with fov 90 or 100
17:22 Calinou some with 130
17:22 KaadmY TF2 does something similar
17:22 Calinou and it looks like you can't change t hat
17:22 Calinou yeah, 99% of people play with low FOV in TF2, lol
17:22 KaadmY Spectating people has horribly low FOV
17:22 Calinou mine is on the max setting (in the GUI)
17:22 KaadmY Like 60 or something
17:22 KaadmY Yep, 90
17:22 KaadmY It's a hard max now
17:22 Calinou the default FOV setting is probably for 4:3
17:22 KaadmY Can't go above 90
17:23 Calinou that sucks for 21:9
17:24 Calinou playing some Warsow CA
17:24 Calinou does it run for you?
17:24 KaadmY Yep
17:24 KaadmY Might not have it installed RN, lemme check
17:24 KaadmY Also offtopic; Quakenet #warsow plz
17:25 Calinou heh
17:26 Raven262 You guys play warsow too?
17:26 KaadmY Yap
17:26 Raven262 Nice
17:26 Raven262 I'm only on instagib servers though
17:26 KaadmY Not much, the pickup community's a bit toxic in my experience
17:27 Raven262 Yea there are some rather toxic players there
17:27 Raven262 The game is missing an ignore player function
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17:48 Calinou read: Puffdar and his alts
17:48 Calinou that guy is French... too bad
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18:42 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY
18:43 red-001 Is this déjà vu?
18:43 red-001 or does Fixer just say that every so often
18:43 Fixer red-001: singing MTG motto
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20:17 red-001 {off}https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLS​cRsfRHXPTuEXdNvUcI8DzJIU5iazqlpksWucPF0d8l​2ztkkA/viewform?fbzx=4233219096757318294
20:29 Jordach red-001, it fucking cheats
20:29 Jordach using the japanese names instead of the english / US release names
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20:34 Dumbeldor red-001: i know only french name xD
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21:15 RobbieF Anybody seen this before and know how to quickfix?  Runtime error from mod 'technic' in callback LuaABM::trigger(): ...ds/technic/technic/machines​/register/battery_box.lua:137: attempt to index upvalue 'fs_helpers' (a nil value)
21:16 RobbieF might be pipeworks....
21:17 RobbieF yup; was pipeworks. Always misleading when the error says it's technic  :D
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23:48 Fixer cel was clearly trying to rip off mc beta 1.7.3, so lets make it beta 1.7.3-like :trollface:
23:57 Fixer not exactly 1.7.3 but close enough

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