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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-07-16

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07:53 DS-minetest 111 people watch now MTG
07:54 cx384 Now they are 112 :D
07:56 CWz A youtube comment pointed out how messed up the concept of barbies is... this would explain the state of society
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08:10 Krock aagh.. why does irrlicht strip out control characters when pasting into the chat? >.<
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08:32 IhrFussel Ok I'm on my new PC now and it runs Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit ... but yesterday it locked up again while downloading something...I'll have to see what exactly causes those lockups
08:34 IhrFussel Calinou, confirmed the weird 5 secs run after shutdown only happens when I shutdown via button...if I shutdown via OS it behaves normally
08:40 IhrFussel WHAT THE... this new PC handle MT @ 60 FPS compared to my Celeron which only did 20-25 FPS
08:48 Krock hmm, what CPU have you got now?
08:49 IhrFussel Krock, Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200
08:51 IhrFussel This machine is mad fast compared to the old one...I barely see the Xubuntu loading logo on boot up anymore (It appeared for 5 - 10 secs on old one)
08:51 Krock heh yes. A 2nd core already has a big impact
08:51 Krock huh.. there's a loading logo?
08:51 Krock I've seen it during the install process but now it's gone
08:52 IhrFussel There is a logo with a circle xP guess your PC is much faster than this one
08:52 IhrFussel Do the 8 GB RAM also increase the speed greatly? Or just a little?
08:55 Krock the speed increase happens when other computers would hit the memory limit and move everything to swap
08:55 IhrFussel Ok so out-of-the-box it's simply the 2 cores that makes everything 3-5x faster
08:55 Krock but more RAM doesn't mean that it's faster. it's just more space to put the data in. but you'll have no profit when only using 1 GB of it
08:56 Krock 2 cores and perhaps now 64-bit (?)
08:56 IhrFussel OH yes I forgot...that would mean 4x speed bump right? 2 cores vs 1 and 64 bit vs 32 bit
08:58 Krock up to 4x.. yes, I think so
08:59 Krock but that's somewhat simplified. clock speeds and the HDD access speed isn't included there
09:01 IhrFussel Clock is almost same 2.5 GHz vs 2.6 and HDD speed is same (5400 rpm)
09:01 nerzhul Clock != CPU architecture
09:02 nerzhul and CPU instruction set is more evolved nowadays
09:02 IhrFussel The PC is from 2009 (didn't come with 8 GB RAM obviously)
09:04 IhrFussel But I'm impressed at how much PCs evolved between 2005 and 2009 already
09:05 IhrFussel I remember someone saying "PS3 was almost the most powerful computer back then" but a few years later the PCs passed consoles
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09:12 Krock but in order to use newer/better instructions you also need newer software, which is compiled to use them
09:23 IhrFussel Does Opera Linux only have 32-bit .deb ?
09:30 Krock repost from /r/programminghumor https://gfycat.com/specificwhoppinghousefly
09:48 IhrFussel Krock, on my server the FPS go down to 40 xD didn't know I made it that demanding
09:50 Krock yours is indeed quite heavy
09:50 Krock compared with others
09:55 IhrFussel Well as long as it's not as heavy as The Dreambuilder one o.o
10:01 IhrFussel Changing the undersampling setting requires a client close? Is there a certain reason for that?
10:02 IhrFussel Or is that a bug? I set it to 2 and played, worked...now I tried to set it back to 0 and played again, but was still enabled...after client close it was disabled
10:23 Krock caching improves the performance, thus feature
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11:02 nerzhul note: new chat protocol has been implemented
11:03 nerzhul if a volunteer want to use the full potential the CSM chat consuming binding should be updated and we should have a core side builtin thing to show chat which could be overrided by mods
11:03 nerzhul red-001, ^
11:03 nerzhul :D
11:04 nerzhul this will permit end users to customize their chat with colors etc, not depending on server, like in many mmo like SWTOR or WoW :)
11:04 nerzhul CSM + builtin consuming => good
11:06 lisac hey comrades, for some reason carts go forward then backwards, lagging, with anticheat enabled
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11:17 Krock If you have important last minute comments on the CSM restrictions: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5930 before merging it
11:30 IhrFussel Krock, do you know when you'll merge the compat breaking PRs? I use the daily builds PPA on my PC and it would be nice to know when to stop using it
11:31 IhrFussel And I hope there will be a way to download the last non-breaking dev somewhere
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11:54 Krock IhrFussel, no idea
11:54 Krock there's always
11:54 Krock https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines
12:14 nerzhul gitlab.com is a daily updated mirror from github which trigger pipeline & package minetest for various distro automaticly
12:14 nerzhul it's not perfect packages but it works
12:14 nerzhul it has windows, ubuntu & debian currently
12:15 nerzhul Calinou is working on appimage
12:16 IhrFussel Yes but wouldn't it be the same as the PPA if it's just a mirror?
12:17 IhrFussel I mean if you will provide a link somewhere (maybe in the forum) that leads to the LAST non-breaking .deb
12:18 IhrFussel Cause I'd like to keep ALL dev features since stable BUT also be able to play on my 0.4.16 server
12:40 Fixer r e g r e s s i o n  d e t e c t e d
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13:00 Shara Hello all
13:01 IhrFussel hi Shara ... has this bug been reported yet? My ENTIRE HAND is gone when I respawn
13:02 Shara I just got home (holiday over :( )
13:02 Shara But never saw or heard of that bug, so don't know
13:02 Shara when did that start happening?
13:02 IhrFussel Jut now with the newest daily PPA
13:02 IhrFussel Just*
13:03 IhrFussel But not sure if it already happened before..I'll see if it fixes itself
13:04 Shara Don't see any new issues for it at least
13:04 IhrFussel It doesn't come back it's gone for good
13:05 Shara I suggest an issue then
13:05 Shara THey can always close it if it did get posted already
13:07 Fixer "just test" world save back then and now is huge difference, right now it is damn silky smooth
13:08 IhrFussel Screenshot http://i.imgur.com/BtGH6On.png
13:12 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6140
13:13 Fixer IhrFussel: there was hand fix just yesterday, do you know exact commit?
13:14 Fixer of your build
13:16 IhrFussel Fixer, I downloaded the PPA version 3 hours ago not sure when the PPA updates
13:16 Fixer once a day
13:16 Fixer i believe
13:16 IhrFussel Yes but the question is WHEN :P
13:19 IhrFussel The PPA version should contain the commit version too (or is that not possible?)
13:21 Fixer IhrFussel: just wait 1 more day
13:22 Fixer 15-Jul-2017 19:29 21M
13:23 IhrFussel UTC?
13:23 Fixer no idea
13:23 Fixer it does not specify
13:23 Fixer looks like hand fix was merged AFTER that
13:24 Fixer so you need to wait for next daily PPA
13:25 IhrFussel Is there a link to see the line above?
13:26 Fixer http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/daily-​builds/ubuntu/pool/main/m/minetest/?C=M;O=D
13:26 Fixer according to github hand fix was merged 19 hours ago
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13:30 IhrFussel When I break a node it breaks into many smaller parts...is that the "particles" setting?
13:31 IhrFussel I don't remember this behavior/setting on my old PC (maybe cause it was OpenGL 1.5 vs 2.1 now)
13:40 Fixer IhrFussel: particles
13:41 IhrFussel Fixer, IMO this setting is misleading...it doesn't also disable all server particles right?
13:41 IhrFussel Like particle spawners and single ones sent to client
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13:45 Fixer IhrFussel: it does not iirc
13:46 IhrFussel "Client particles" would be a better name then
13:46 Krock particle spawner is an API feature
13:46 Krock particles alone just a visual effect
13:47 Krock client particle spawners are or will be merged soon FYI
13:47 Krock at least there was a PR for it
13:50 IhrFussel What does kilbith mean "HEAD"?
13:52 IhrFussel I hope he doesn't seriously mean that ONLY people with fresh compiled master versions should open issues...cause that's stupid
13:53 IhrFussel The situation with my issue is a (very rare) race condition...it's not my fault that the PPA didn't update yet + devs cannot skip time
14:04 Krock IhrFussel, the reason is that there was a fresh commit to fix a similar issue
14:05 Krock if you can reproduce this with the next build, it'll be a confirmed bug - a regular one
14:06 IhrFussel Krock, I know that but it is still a race condition that I experienced this issue JUST BEFORE that commit was applied to the PPA...so I think kilbith's reaction is rude
14:06 Krock IhrFussel, corrected the spelling of the latest comment
14:07 Krock but I hope you understand why it's yet just a "Unconfirmed bug"
14:10 IhrFussel Yes I do ... also how can I provide a commit hash from PPA? Is it on the package page?
14:10 IhrFussel If it was part of --version it would be much easier to append it to an issue IMO
14:12 Krock hmm.. it's not included in --version? could you please bpastebin the whole --version content?
14:18 IhrFussel No it's not if you use PPA https://pastebin.com/R7PKBGEy
14:26 Krock :/
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14:33 IhrFussel Krock, do you think it would be possible to include it in future versions?
14:33 Krock I have no clue how PPA works, thus I can't tell how much work it'll be
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15:57 Fixer look into (changes file) in https://launchpad.net/%7Eminetestdevs/​+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages
15:57 Fixer you will see exact commit
15:58 Fixer Version: 201707151841-0~84aa845~ubuntu17.10.1
15:58 Fixer 84aa845
16:24 IhrFussel That is EXTREMELY cumbersome
16:24 IhrFussel I suggest to add it to the version string for PPAs (if possible)
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17:03 octacian Well, I'm going to be away until tomorrow afternoon, Cya'll then :D
17:06 IhrFussel This hand bug is FRUSTRATING...please let me know when the PPA has been updated
17:07 Krock IhrFussel, how about no? set "arm_inertia = false" in your minetest.conf
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18:39 Fixer *,..,,,,*
18:41 KaadmY *8,,*..*8,,*,*<*..<7*88.*,86$@*#
18:41 KaadmY Do I win a prize or something now?
18:43 Krock KaadmY, here, take this cookie from the dark side.
18:44 rubenwardy Shara, do you run RedCat creative?
18:44 Shara rubenwardy: It's my server, yes
18:44 Krock see #minetest ^
18:45 rubenwardy there's a player on #minetest asking for its IRC channel
18:45 rubenwardy <kuldeep> banned on Red Cat Creative server asking all these questions. :(
18:45 Shara Yea, he's not really wanted
18:45 rubenwardy lol
18:45 Shara And if he does join the IRC channel, he'll get banned there too
18:45 Krock that's mean
18:46 Shara Krock: He had multiple warnings from three different admins
18:49 Shara Let's say I let him join the IRC channel (which is generally invite only anyway)
18:49 Shara Then what will he do? Argue about getting banned?
18:49 Shara Ask more questions?
18:51 Krock well, at least one legit question: "why was I banned?"
18:52 Shara Krock: He was asked by three different admins to stop a certain behaviour, and did not confirm he would stop. Then he proceeding to ask questions, which we told him how to solve. He demonstrated no willingness to do as we suggested and just kept on asking. Kind of non-stop.
18:53 Krock ack.
18:53 Shara I've never seen him before today, so don't have any reason to think he was other than a first time player there, and he obviously did not fit the server, and didn't want to make an effort to cooperate. He acted like he was entitled.
18:54 Shara If not wanting to revert the ban one of my team members made makes me mean, then okay, I'm mean :)
18:57 Donbatman Shara is a meanie
18:58 Shara Hi Don
18:58 Donbatman Hi Shara
18:58 Donbatman Hi everyone
18:58 Shara Krock: as a note, I generally go out of my way to help people with questions on any server, mine or other servers. But he really was pretty singleminded and only had one question, which I did answer. He apparently ignored or didn't like my answer though.
18:59 Shara Then made some claims that we should admit it if we didn't know the answer
18:59 Krock yes, I believe that you helped that player and with that I also agree with your decision
19:00 Shara Hopefully he will find somewhere
19:05 rubenwardy congrats garywhite!
19:08 shivajiva okay I'll bite, what you congratulating him on?
19:08 rubenwardy This drawing's lucky EliteBNC Lottery winning number is: 22 - won by: garywhite on Freenode - The next drawing is in 14 days. Make sure to set your new number. Thanks for playing!
19:08 shivajiva XD
19:11 garywhite thx
19:31 Calinou <nerzhul> Calinou is working on appimage
19:31 Calinou not yet
19:32 Calinou but I'll do it some day
19:32 Calinou (also, consider deploying binaries to Bintray or something, GitLab really isn't good for user-facing downloads)
19:35 rubenwardy underscore makes lua so much nicer in places
19:35 rubenwardy all we need now is compile time static type analysers
19:35 rubenwardy and type annotations
19:52 Jordach Calinou, rubenwardy; i've got a friend at Team17
19:52 Jordach he reviewed Minetest's GLSL shaders
19:53 Jordach "how is this thing even working"
19:53 Calinou inb4 "they suck"
19:53 rubenwardy ~g Team17
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19:53 Calinou Worms developers, IIRC
19:53 Jordach published Yooka Laylee*
19:53 rubenwardy Jordach, is he offering?
19:53 Jordach rubenwardy, he worked on the PBR engine of Urho 3
19:53 Jordach D
19:53 Calinou also, yeah, no fixes, no clicks
19:53 Jordach it's not as bad as the CryEngine
19:54 Jordach CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently
19:54 Calinou Godot :D
19:54 Jordach it makes Minetest look like a piece of cake
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20:04 red-001 Jordach, it's in the name
20:04 red-001 devs cry when they are told they will be using it
20:08 garywhite ~g Minetest
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20:08 red-001 ~g red-001
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20:08 red-001 well
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20:14 Fixer Jordach: oohh, i was a big fun of Worms 2, played it for very long time back then
20:15 Fixer or it was Worms 1
20:15 Fixer not the dos one
20:15 Fixer but on win 98 se
20:16 Fixer long time ago in galaxy far away*
20:16 Fixer played on legendary overclockable celeron PC
20:25 KaadmY I'd link to some shitty code in Cryengine, but I can't find it since it's so messy
20:29 KaadmY Ah here we go https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/​Code/CryEngine/CryPhysics/livingentity.cpp#L1300
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20:55 Calinou lol
21:04 Fixer KaadmY: CryEngine
21:06 KaadmY Fixer: hm?
21:11 Fixer KaadmY: "<Jordach> CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently"
21:11 Fixer KaadmY: Cry Engine
21:12 Fixer KaadmY: wanna port minetest to Cry Engine?
21:13 KaadmY Oh god
21:13 KaadmY No please
21:13 KaadmY Minetest + CryEngine = HellTest
21:14 Fixer KaadmY: court ruled: you are sentenced to porting minetest to cryEngine for the next 20 years...
21:14 Fixer Minetest + CryEngine = MineCryEngineTest
21:14 Fixer now this is good
21:14 Fixer /music plays
21:25 Calinou is it just me, or Minetest development has become a mess since a year ago or so?
21:25 Calinou I've looked at the recent issues and god, this is so dense…
21:26 Calinou I miss the times where Minetest was pretty actively developed with celeron55 :(
21:26 Calinou it was like, the fastest-moving open source game out there
21:26 KaadmY Yeah
21:26 KaadmY Now it's quickly moving
21:26 KaadmY But in the wrong directions
21:31 nerzhul yeah minetest has many issues, community growth too
21:31 nerzhul but yes mientest dev is less active these days
21:35 Jordach meanwhile two years ago
21:35 Jordach i called this shit out
21:36 rubenwardy well, the point of this channel is to steer development, right?
21:37 rubenwardy also: it's hard to get developers as the work's unpaid
21:37 Jordach this is where the cool kids hang out, rubenwardy
21:37 rubenwardy so you rely on volunteer time
21:37 rubenwardy well, as well as that
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21:49 rubenwardy > mod is called currency
21:49 rubenwardy > adds shops
21:49 rubenwardy :(
21:50 rubenwardy also, the shop really needs a better UI
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22:16 Fixer Calinou: and MTG is in sleep state
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22:48 garywhite in sleep state?
22:52 KaadmY Ie. dead
22:54 celeron55 whoops, the forum certificate is expiring tomorrow, remind me after i wake up
22:55 KaadmY https://youtu.be/npjOSLCR2hE?t=36s
23:55 garywhite It's dead as a bloody doornail!

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