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00:00 Fixer Shara: depends, numberZero is active, so he can extra check on it
00:01 paramat a fix is possible, and the issue may highlight a mistake somewhere
00:01 Shara Hmm, hope so, but if it's simply unavoidable side effect of smoothlighting...
00:02 paramat although of course MT doesn't actually support semi-translucency for normal nodes, so, it *might* be unavoidable
00:03 Shara It's just a bit infuriating, given that glass is the base several of my mods build from
00:03 Shara And it's also in use across quite a few servers
00:04 Fixer Shara: you can make it darker by removing glow
00:04 Shara But the glow is desired
00:04 Fixer glow is weird
00:04 Shara People use this as a gentle light source
00:04 Fixer you want dark yet glowing glass %)
00:04 Fixer thats like wanting drinkable petrol
00:05 Fixer or black white
00:05 Shara I want red that doesn't look pink, and dark glass that doesn't look like pale grey
00:05 Fixer anyway goodnight
00:05 Shara Sleep well
00:06 Shara paramat: any ideas about the water? The only thing that seems to be different in my override is the texture used
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00:34 paramat erm, maybe open the texture in an image editor to see the image format etc?
00:35 paramat RGBA vs indexed colour
00:35 Shara Comparing to normal water texture currently... both show as indexed
00:35 Shara I cannot see a difference
00:36 Shara no difference with the texture from sumpf either
00:37 paramat how about combining default water texture with glowing plants to see if it is the light source that triggers it?
00:38 Shara I tried that
00:38 Shara That was how I ruled out it being the sea mod itself
00:38 Shara There is only the air when there should not be air issue there, which is something seperate
00:41 Shara For sea... noairblocks somehow reacts oddly to the water texture I use. It didn't before, but does now... I think since noairblocks is broken anyway, I will see if I can just strip it from the sea mod
00:42 Shara I actually think I know why it is happening, but not awake enough to test
00:43 paramat ok :]
00:43 Shara watersourcex from noairblocks will still be using default water texture, not my texture
00:43 Shara and I guess that is doing something
00:44 Shara Even though the combo was fine before, the difference textures must create the added issue now the mod is broken
00:44 Shara difference in*
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06:44 lisac Hi Shara
06:44 lisac The gold mining form from the other day
06:44 lisac https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1G8SX1​pVHYvoOA8T2d57Qi1sZYSEUZo7VCujYx1QO9J8
06:44 lisac it's finished
06:45 lisac none seems to like filling forms
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07:04 tenplus1 hi folks
07:11 lisac Hey tenplus1
07:11 tenplus1 hi lisac p/
07:12 tenplus1 I made the mistake of reading the news...  *shudder*  never again :P
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07:19 lisac tenplus1, how so?
07:20 tenplus1 all the bbc nonsense with the rich list and complaints over certain men getting paid more than the women
07:20 tenplus1 as far as I know you pay is determined by your popularity on screen, nothing more...
07:21 tenplus1 and of course the annual fox hunt... I dont like that
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07:23 tenplus1 hi nrz, hi calcul0n
07:23 nerzhul hi tenplus1
07:23 nerzhul hi hi
07:24 tenplus1 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/20/00/4280​256E00000578-4712508-image-a-53_1500508507937.jpg that's an example
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07:47 tenplus1 hi raven
07:47 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
07:48 lisac tenplus1, start reading reddit them
07:48 lisac *then
07:48 tenplus1 heh
07:48 tenplus1 I try to avoid reddit, soooo many horrors
07:49 Raven262 /r/trebuchetmemes
07:49 Raven262 /r/dankmemes
07:49 lisac horrors on reddit?
07:50 tenplus1 funnyjunk has many of those already :P
07:50 Raven262 /r/birdswitharms
07:54 Shara Hi all
07:54 Shara lisac: thanks for sharing results
07:54 lisac np lol, it's only 20 of them
07:54 Shara And now bye all... work time :(
07:54 lisac couldn't get more people to do it
07:54 lisac bye comrade
07:54 tenplus1 laters shara
07:58 Raven262 Hello Shara
07:58 Raven262 And bye i guess
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08:26 tenplus1 hi cx384
08:26 cx384 hi tenplus1
08:41 tenplus1 laters folks... imma leave this here: https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt
08:41 tenplus1 o/
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10:53 Bobr2 hi
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13:42 Wayward_One hi all
13:43 lisac hey Wayward_One
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13:52 Wayward_One ugh, minetest is still crashing with this https://pastebin.com/1VPXtJJi and i can't figure out why
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14:32 shivajiva that's a good error Wayward_One, what the history ?
14:34 shivajiva what version, when did the crashing start, etc
14:35 Wayward_One latest git, after updating gcc and jsoncpp so i could compile again.
14:37 Wayward_One i'm probably missing something, as i can't reproduce it on another machine. i've tried deleting and recloning twice now, with the same error.
14:38 Fixer holy crap
14:38 Wayward_One everything works fine, singleplayer, etc. until i click the "Play Online" tab
14:38 Fixer needed a way to run a one program with admin privs under local user... I've literally spent hours to do this shit in w7
14:38 shivajiva okay I know this one
14:39 Wayward_One older OS btw, Mint 17.3
14:39 shivajiva have you compiled pre and post cpp 11 on that folder?
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14:40 Wayward_One yes, but i completely deleted the folder and recloned
14:40 shivajiva I get that when the compiler system_json flag is when it shouldn't be
14:41 shivajiva *set
14:41 Wayward_One i do have -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=TRUE
14:41 Wayward_One it wouldn't compile at all without it though
14:42 Wayward_One *wouldn't finish, i should say
14:43 shivajiva I was compiling diff versions trying to narrow a bug to a commit when I got this error around the bump to cpp 11
14:44 shivajiva it appeared when I was mistakenly setting the flag to true but using older commit
14:45 Wayward_One hmm
14:46 shivajiva but you are trying to compile and run latest?
14:46 Wayward_One yep
14:48 shivajiva hmm, let me grab it and compile
14:49 Wayward_One it may be something c++11-on-an-older-OS related, as stable-0.4 works fine, and latest git compiles fine on Mint 18.x
14:49 shivajiva yea I'm using mint 17.3
14:49 Wayward_One oh, okay
14:50 shivajiva but upped gcc to 5
14:51 Wayward_One 6.3.0 here
14:51 shivajiva currently building with flag set to system json set to false (actually 0)
14:51 shivajiva heh that nearly made sense
14:51 Wayward_One lol
14:52 Calinou hi
14:52 shivajiva works just fine, doesn't crash on play online tab
14:53 Wayward_One hmm
14:53 Wayward_One hi Calinou
14:53 shivajiva wonder what your setup is missing to need the flag to be true
14:54 Wayward_One it gave this before i set that flag https://hastebin.com/fubosapuwe.vbs
14:54 shivajiva 2 weeks ago I needed it but not now
14:56 shivajiva what version of gcc is it set to?
14:57 shivajiva mine was on auto(4.8) I had to select the later version
14:57 Wayward_One how do i check?
14:57 * shivajiva scrolls thru his bash command history
14:58 shivajiva sudo update-alternatives --config gcc
15:01 shivajiva heh must have got 6 because that's what it's set to
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15:04 shivajiva Hi paramat o/
15:04 Wayward_One oh yeah, i already set that
15:05 shivajiva then I don't know what else to suggest :/
15:07 Wayward_One hmm :/ thanks for your time though
15:08 shivajiva np, tried so many things before I got compiler to actually complete I must have done something crucial without realising
15:15 Wayward_One lol, that happens to me too. then when you need to reproduce it it's like "wait, what *did* i do..?"
15:18 nerzhul GCC 5.1 at least is required on 0.5 branch
15:18 nerzhul or clang 3.4
15:18 nerzhul 3.6*
15:19 Wayward_One yeah, i have 6.3.0
15:29 Wayward_One heh, new reclone/rebuild without -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=TRUE, compilation now fails with https://pastebin.com/bxJGsiBL
15:34 sfan5 did you do make clean?
15:35 Wayward_One no, i'll try that
15:36 Wayward_One is there a minimum cmake version required too?
15:37 nerzhul it's checked at the beginning
15:37 Wayward_One ah, okay
15:37 nerzhul is your stdlibc++ up to date ?
15:37 nerzhul seems it doesn't know streambuf C++11 api
15:38 sfan5 nah that's unlikely
15:38 sfan5 these errors usually appear when you forgot to make clean after a libstdc++ update
15:42 Wayward_One hmm. make clean, then make -j5? running that gives the same result
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16:00 Fixer https://twitter.com/binitamsh​ah/status/887892014745899008 Do this in Minetest
16:15 shivajiva ^ nice
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17:01 lisac Fixer, how does that even happen?
17:01 lisac I did read the article
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17:01 lisac the only thing I got from it is that Steam games had a bug
17:01 lisac source games
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17:12 lisac hey I'm trying to compile minetest on windows
17:12 lisac It fails to link
17:12 lisac some json errors
17:12 lisac undefined references
17:12 lisac I'm now recompiling with another cppjson library
17:19 Shara Hi all
17:19 lisac Hey Shara
17:19 Shara lisac: You poor brave thing. I won't even try on Windows anymore
17:19 Amaz Good evening, Shara :)
17:20 lisac Shara, I wouldn't try if I had a choice :P
17:20 Shara Hello Amaz :)
17:20 lisac I mean, I could always install linux. I'm planning to
17:20 lisac but the challenge of getting minetest to run properly on Windows...
17:20 Shara I have Linux on my laptop and move to that if I want to poke MT code
17:20 lisac not to mention I can play at 250 view range 30 FPS on Windows
17:21 lisac Linux AMD drivers are terrible
17:21 Shara Putting "drivers" and "Linux" in one sentence gives me bad memories
17:22 sofar writing code and compiling/testing on windows is just painful
17:22 lisac minetest also runs terribly on Windows
17:22 lisac unable to run in fullscreen
17:22 lisac as in, window no border
17:23 sofar that works fine for me
17:23 Shara sofar: Yup.. first few times I compiled myself was on windows... just never going back to it
17:24 Shara Just need to teach myself to compile windows client from linux sometime...
17:24 Shara So I can also easily play on my own clients again.
17:24 sofar next time I need to make something cross platform I'll do it in go again, just like mtmediasrv
17:24 lisac heh
17:25 lisac I do have a linux pc here
17:25 lisac I just need to persuade my brother to give it up for a few minutes
17:25 lisac and seeing that he is playing DOTA2 on it right now, that ain't going to be easy
17:25 Shara Main one here has to be windows for work and study
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17:28 tenplus1 hif olks
17:28 Amaz Hi ten#
17:28 tenplus1 er... hi folks :P
17:28 tenplus1 o/ amaz
17:28 Amaz :P
17:28 lisac Hi tenplus1
17:28 lisac I added -m32 to compiler options
17:28 lisac and rebuilding right now
17:28 lisac heh prob won't help
17:28 tenplus1 hi lisac
17:29 lisac Hey tenplus1, got any experience compiling MT on Windows?
17:29 tenplus1 *shudder* sadly no
17:29 Shara Hi 11
17:30 tenplus1 hi Shara
17:30 lisac and so I installed windows to play Fallout. And I'm now spending days playing DOTA2, TF2, Minetest and Geometry Dash.
17:30 lisac :(
17:30 sofar hehe
17:30 sofar and KSP
17:30 tenplus1 geo dash is kewl ;D
17:30 sofar don't forget Jebediah
17:30 tenplus1 hi sofar
17:30 lisac oh, my geometry dash progress got wiped today
17:30 lisac I filed a bug report
17:31 tenplus1 I wonder if geo dash has a linux binary
17:31 lisac tenplus1, Nope
17:31 tenplus1 nuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuu
17:31 * tenplus1 wishes more games had linux support
17:32 lisac I've only got two games on steam. Geometry Dash and KotoR
17:32 lisac GD developer said he is working on Linux support
17:32 * Shara has too many games there
17:32 lisac in 2014
17:32 tenplus1 not seen KotoR.... at last count I had 164 games
17:33 lisac my god people
17:33 lisac have you even started up every single one of them?
17:33 tenplus1 yeah...  I buy the humble bundles if they look good and the count goes up :) not bad for 10 quid
17:33 lisac Error: 64-bit reloc in dll
17:33 lisac tons of those
17:34 lisac seems I got screwed
17:34 tenplus1 Psychonauts was amazing, Machinarium was amazing, Samorost 1 + 2 was amazing and the list goes on
17:35 tenplus1 and surprisingly Neon Drive runs better on linux than windows :D
17:36 lisac heh Minetest does too
17:38 tenplus1 cant wait for Vulkan support on most games
17:38 Shara I think I had close to 90 games there... most were silly cheap things :P
17:42 tenplus1 whats your best game shara ?
17:42 Shara Best in what sense?
17:42 tenplus1 one you enjoyed playing :P
17:42 Shara Hard to say really
17:43 Shara Only one I played recently there was Hollow Knight
17:44 Shara Fancied something 2d again, so bought it in the sales :P
17:45 tenplus1 ooh, that looks interesting
17:47 Shara Music is nice and controls work well.
17:48 tenplus1 was playing this one lately, looked real good: http://store.steampowered.com/app/20​5730/Insanely_Twisted_Shadow_Planet/
17:49 Shara Ohh, did look at it.
17:49 * Shara suddenly wonders what non-MT games everyone plays
17:50 Raven262 Try deadspace2 its a nice game
17:50 tenplus1 :P hi raven
17:50 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
17:50 Raven262 Also, you can try DOTA2 if you want to see the worst side of humanity.
17:51 Shara I'll pass.
17:51 tenplus1 lol
17:51 Shara :P
17:51 Shara I don't even have enough time to play the games I already have
17:51 tenplus1 you ever tried Psychonauts ?
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17:51 tenplus1 or even Samorost 2 ?
17:51 tenplus1 hi behalebabo
17:52 Shara No, though again, did look at it
17:52 tenplus1 is a damn good puzzle game
17:52 Amaz Non-MT games? Ummmm, MT is the only game I ever play :P
17:52 Amaz And even then, nowadays I spend more time modding than I do playing ;)
17:53 tenplus1 same...
17:53 tenplus1 but I was on Xanadu earlier for an hour :) was fun exploring
17:53 Raven262 Amaz is the smart guy, you should try LOTT.
17:53 Shara Amaz: Know that feeling. :P
17:54 Amaz :P
17:54 Shara I made this long list of mods I want to make/rewrite/adjust/stare at blankly until the code makes sense
17:54 Wayward_One most non-MT games i play: Halo (most of them), Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast (OpenJK versions of both), and a few others on my brother's Xbox
17:55 tenplus1 was staring blankly at TNT mod for a while and keep thinking it needs a rewrite :) ehe
17:56 nerzhul i run 300 range with 50 FPS with Amd drivers on linux
17:56 Shara I've half-rewritten a lot of mods, just they are so messy that I don't put them on github :)
17:56 tenplus1 hi nrz, also nice range
17:57 Shara I vary range between 100 and 300 depending on server I'm on and what I'm doing
17:57 Shara And fps is anything from 30 to 100 :P
17:57 Raven262 Wayward_One, Which one is your favourite Halo? :D
17:58 tenplus1 that's one game I've never played... Halo
17:58 tenplus1 but seen the movie :D ahh
17:58 Raven262 The greater the number the worse the game
17:58 Raven262 Halo 1 was the best
17:58 Raven262 :P
17:59 tenplus1 heh
18:02 Wayward_One hmm, i'd have to say either 1 or 3. i have so many fond memories of 3, and i just love 1 overall
18:03 tenplus1 o/ wayward...
18:03 Wayward_One hi ten :)
18:03 Wayward_One and everyone else :)
18:03 Raven262 I would like 2 also, but the fov killed it for me.
18:04 Wayward_One i still have yet to try 2
18:04 Raven262 It feels like you have one eye in halo2, fov is about 60 or so
18:07 tenplus1 I really wanna try the new mario...looks fun
18:13 tenplus1 Shara: found you a wallpaper: https://s18.postimg.org/om195twhl​/screenshot_20160321_1818162.png
18:20 Shara Hehehehehehe!!
18:20 Shara I still want to make a version of breadhogs that shoot laser beams :D
18:20 Krock now add "howtobasic" and your smile will turn into a sad face
18:21 Krock Shara, but there's AFAIK no hedgehog in Guardians Of The Galaxy.. where do you get this strange idea from? o.o
18:22 tenplus1 goo too close and get laser vision heating your rear end :D
18:24 Shara But Krock! There is a "hedgehog rule"!
18:27 Krock oh?
18:28 tenplus1 save the hedgehogs...
18:29 Krock "the_hedgehogs.txt"   *Ctrl+S*
18:33 Shara >.>
18:33 Shara It was a warning against killing them
18:33 Shara Because then server owner might be sad
18:33 Shara And sad server owner feels like hedgehogs should shoot laser beams
18:34 Shara And possible have a very large number of hit points
18:36 tenplus1 ehehehe
18:38 rubenwardy How does one acquire a hedgehog?
18:38 * tenplus1 gives ruben a hedgehog spawn egg
18:38 sofar just leave some metal rings lying about
18:38 tenplus1 haha
18:44 lisac sofar, What if you accidentally acquire a gollum?
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18:47 tenplus1 hi bigfoot
18:47 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1
18:49 tenplus1 am surprised no-one has made a gollum model yet for mobs :P
18:49 * Amaz looks eager
18:56 tenplus1 spanish translation added to mobs redo thanks to Aleksys
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18:59 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes
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18:59 tenplus1 wb lisac
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18:59 tenplus1 hi dargod
19:00 tenplus1 w00t! comboooooooOOOOO!!!
19:00 tumeninodes hi tenplusnumerouno
19:00 dargod hello tenplus1)
19:01 dargod I'll relogin
19:01 tumeninodes redid fencegate models and think I accidentally deleted the file :'(
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19:01 tenplus1 noooooo, you got backup?
19:02 Krock always commit your stage
19:02 tumeninodes of course not
19:02 Krock ...trash bin?
19:02 tumeninodes I'm lookin... frantically
19:03 lisac thanks tenplus1
19:03 lisac fucking steam filled appmanifest files with NUL
19:03 lisac now I'm re-discovering my library
19:03 Raven262 Hello tumeninodes
19:05 tumeninodes phew... found em! Absolutely no idea how they wound up in the builtin folder
19:05 tumeninodes hi Raven
19:05 tenplus1 ehehehe
19:05 tumeninodes this goes to prove, never ever work tired
19:05 tenplus1 +100 agrees
19:09 tumeninodes ha, I screwed up on the model I made for fence to try out though (wrong size rails) doop
19:10 tumeninodes ever work on something, then look at it the next day and get a feeling you may have a dual personality? 0_o
19:12 lisac tumeninodes, Try reading code you wrote 2 years ago
19:12 lisac 'I won't need comments, I'll remember it'
19:12 lisac Spoiler: No idea how it works
19:14 tenplus1 :P
19:24 garywhite hello
19:25 tenplus1 hi gary
19:31 Shara paramat: homedecor plasma lamp also seems to have the alpha/lighting/whatever it is issue
19:32 tumeninodes lisac, hahaha
19:33 tumeninodes I used to be able to build rpm's and can't even remember how to start one today :P
19:34 tumeninodes but now, with memory issues I can work on something one day, and have zero memory of doing it 2 days later
19:41 tenplus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt <-- added 'explode_centre' flag to tnt.boom function for mod use, will hopefully stop loopback error
19:44 lisac tumeninodes, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning
19:46 tumeninodes lisac, who's tumeninodes? 0_o  :P
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19:48 tumeninodes tenplus1, hopefully? :D didn't you test it?
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19:48 tumeninodes hi/bye bigfoot
19:50 tenplus1 I blew up 100 tnt nodes and it worked ok
19:50 tumeninodes blah, think I'm gonna have to redo these fencegate models from scratch. I'm doing something wrong and not getting 2 materials. Maybe I'm exporting wrong
19:50 tenplus1 then used test axe to blow up centre nodes and it dropped items and ran on_blast... so seems to work ok
19:50 tenplus1 until I do more testing and find issue :D
19:51 tumeninodes 100... baby stuff.... do 1000
19:51 tenplus1 lol, dunno if my wee net-top could survive that as is
19:51 tenplus1 but will try
19:51 tumeninodes I got hooked on seeing how many I could set off for about a week
19:52 tenplus1 you are more than welcome to test it out and see how many work for you :))))) https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt
19:52 tenplus1 drop into mods and enable, will override default
19:52 tumeninodes grabbing it now
19:52 tenplus1 also added custom boom sounds, sound distance depending on radius and a few server tweaks :D
19:53 tumeninodes yes, I like that idea
19:53 tenplus1 and api.txt to figure out how it all works
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19:53 tenplus1 wb bigfoot
19:53 tumeninodes yummy
19:56 tumeninodes tenplus1, I'll test some tonight and let ya know how it goes. I'll crunch some big numbers woohoo
19:57 tenplus1 thanks dude :) appreciated
19:57 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1
19:57 tumeninodes think I'll replace boom sound with a "moo"
19:57 tumeninodes hi bigfoot
20:03 tumeninodes heh, neighbor's draining their pool into my yard again, gotta go freak out see yas later
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20:13 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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20:38 paramat Shara afaik the plasma lamp uses an unusual implementation
20:52 Calinou god… what the FUCK has gaming become
20:52 Calinou I got force-spectated from a Quake Live sever
20:52 Calinou what the fuck
20:52 Calinou what the fuck
20:52 Calinou what the fuck
20:52 Calinou what the fuck
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21:03 sofar what does that even mean? other, than being offtopic :P
21:09 nerzhul hey
21:14 sofar hey
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21:25 Fixer hey-hey
21:25 nerzhul hi Fixer
21:26 Fixer Calinou: problem?
21:27 Calinou nevermindf
21:27 Calinou -f
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22:21 tumeninodes setting off 1461 tnt nodes = awesome... sometime later "fsck -y /dev/sda1 = priceless"
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22:31 sofar just an fyi, the tnt mod can handle 5x5x5 tnt in a single explosion (if you light the center one)
22:32 sofar anything more than 2 nodes away from the `lit` node causes a secondary explosion
22:32 sofar and using more tnt will never make a hole larger than the individual tnt's would make :)
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22:39 tumeninodes sofar, I was testing tenplus1's tnt mod
22:41 tumeninodes I tried using gunpowder to try to offset secondary explosions... I don't think it worked :P

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