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01:06 red-001 ping
01:06 bigfoot547 pong
01:07 benrob0329 poong
01:08 rubenwardy anyone have any proposals for the dev meeting tomorrow?
01:08 bigfoot547 Ohh
01:08 bigfoot547 Secret pillow-fort meeting?
01:10 benrob0329 Nono, blanket fort
01:10 bigfoot547 Okay
01:10 bigfoot547 I see
01:11 bigfoot547 benrob0329: You areen't a core dev are you?
01:11 benrob0329 heh, no
01:11 bigfoot547 Okay
01:11 benrob0329 just a mod :-)
01:11 bigfoot547 Just thought I was losing my barbles
01:12 benrob0329 Yeah..i kinda suck at coding, so being a core dev would be somewhat difficul
01:12 benrob0329 t
01:22 rubenwardy I apologise for the Github spam
01:22 rubenwardy I'm going up PRs oldest first and trying to salvage them
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07:20 tenplus1 hi folks
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07:42 tenplus1 hi nrz
07:43 nerzhul hi tenplus1
07:43 tenplus1 o/
07:46 tenplus1 nrz, is anyone else having issues with entities getting stuck inside solid objects ?
07:54 rdococ sounds painful
07:54 tenplus1 hi rdococ, and yeah it can be
07:55 tenplus1 something to do with stepheight causing entities to float into walls when they shouldnt... it's a glitch I cant seem to escape unless I made node height 2 high
07:56 rdococ O_o
07:58 tenplus1 same with tnt explosions, it pushes dropped items inside solid nodes when collision detection should stop it happening
08:00 nerzhul tenplus1, i come back from holidays, did some work in my house and now i'm going to leave then i don't know ^^
08:00 tenplus1 sounds like you've been busy nrz :0
08:01 nerzhul ofc
08:05 rdococ I've been busy floating into walls.
08:05 tenplus1 no clip player :PP ehe
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08:19 tenplus1 hi paramat
08:25 rdococ hi
08:36 tenplus1 hi Hijiri
08:36 Hijiri hi
08:36 Hijiri is anyone manning the forum abuse reports queue
08:37 tenplus1 couldn't say...  what's been happening /
08:37 Hijiri it's in the report
08:51 rdococ Ugh, this is ridiculous.
08:51 rdococ I hate how people moan over specific combinations of letters and sounds.
08:51 rdococ It's literal madness.
08:51 tenplus1 ???
08:52 rdococ Especially if those letters and sounds do not convey a specific meaning towards a specific person or group of people.
08:52 rdococ tenplus1: I'm talking about "swear" words.
08:53 tenplus1 ahh
08:53 rdococ There are so many words that, in the UK, people overreact to, but in the US are fine. It makes me want to beat the crap out of the English language.
08:53 tenplus1 so many changes in the language depending on location, it's unreal
08:54 rdococ Har har har.
08:55 rdococ Languages can be different in different locations - I'm fine with that.
08:55 tenplus1 I mean subsets of the same language
08:55 rdococ ...that's what I meant, too. -____________-
08:55 tenplus1 lol
08:56 rdococ It only matters when it affects people's lives - for example when a video game contains a ""swear"" that's only considered rude in the UK - now a kid in the UK who really wants that game can't because he's not """""old""""" enough, but a kid in the US can.
08:56 rdococ It's bad enough that we're discriminating against kids, can't we at least do it indiscriminately, as self-contradictory as that sounds?
08:56 tenplus1 I hear 10 year olds using language only an adult should be hearing here in UK
08:57 rdococ I hear adults scolding me for using the word "damn".
08:57 tenplus1 damn!
08:57 tenplus1 :P
09:00 rubenwardy There was a kid on my server that used to "shout" at people for saying damn
09:00 rubenwardy I believe I kicked him once or twice
09:00 tenplus1 hi ruben
09:00 rdococ On RD-C, swearing is allowed as long as it isn't directed towards anybody.
09:00 rubenwardy Coincidentally, this was halt
09:00 rdococ (Even then, under some exceptional circumstances... :P)
09:11 Calinou hi
09:11 tenplus1 hi Cal
09:11 Calinou the Godot Patreon campaign is now up, by the way: https://www.patreon.com/godotengine
09:36 rubenwardy Have they fixed tile set creation yet, calinou?
09:36 rubenwardy Last time I checked I had to manually import and crop individual images from an image sprite set
09:36 rubenwardy Which was an absolute pita
09:38 Calinou rubenwardy: I don't think so, unfortunately
09:38 Calinou TileMaps/GridMaps need a lot of work still (performance, better editing tools, animated tiles…)
09:38 rubenwardy :(
09:39 shivajiva rdococ I'm pretty sure America beat the crap out of the English language to get where they currently are =)
09:39 tenplus1 hi shiva
09:39 shivajiva Hi ten, ruben, Cal o/
09:39 rubenwardy Well, I could care less about American English
09:39 Calinou hi shivajiva
09:39 * rubenwardy shivers in disgust
09:39 Calinou rubenwardy: I'm still wearing my favourite grey armour!
09:40 rubenwardy Hi shiva
09:40 tenplus1 Calinou: do you know anything about entities glitching into solid nodes ???
09:41 Calinou nope… I think I've seen it a few times
09:41 Calinou but I don't know why it happens
09:41 Calinou does it happen in singleplayer as well?
09:41 tenplus1 am watching it happen and it's pissing me off no end
09:41 Calinou (or on a server started from a client)
09:42 tenplus1 I have a single sheep inside a pen, it hits fence and all is well, it turns around and somehow it's moved backwards INTO fence when it shouldnt have
09:42 tenplus1 it hasnt walked forwards/backwards, simply turned around and it's inside the node ?!?!?!
09:43 shivajiva hasn't that issue been around forever
09:43 tenplus1 set_velocity in mobs api only makes sheep go in facing direction, never backwards into things
09:47 tenplus1 and it's somehow related to stepheight
09:47 tenplus1 as if it's going to walk UP a node even if it's 2 high
09:48 tenplus1 I wonder if stepheight code checks if entity CAN indeed walk up by doing a collosionbox check 1st (getting highest node)
09:50 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/248a1a8d65c483edcab328d898cc​570071d6a182/src/collision.cpp#L468
09:52 tenplus1 seems to check if stepping up would hit a ceiling, but never if it would be inside node
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09:52 tenplus1 hi Jordach
09:59 tenplus1 wish I nkew more c++ to figure what this does more accurately
09:59 Calinou everyone wishes they knew more C++
10:00 Calinou in Soviet Russia, C++ knows YOU!
10:00 tenplus1 lol
10:00 shivajiva ^ LOL
10:01 tenplus1 could anyone who knows proper c++ check that collision.cpp code and see if it really does check if entity is inside node? or just ceilings ?
10:03 rubenwardy tenplus1: learn c++ then :)
10:04 rubenwardy Make a small game
10:04 rubenwardy Or something fun
10:04 rubenwardy Sfml is nice
10:04 tenplus1 I would love to but it's all down to time...  I already do lua as a hobby of sorts already
10:04 rubenwardy Although, maybe start with some simple programs like a text adventure game
10:04 rubenwardy To learn memory management
10:05 rubenwardy Minetest isn't the best example of c++ code
10:05 tenplus1 heh, that's why I leave it to the pro devs to handle c++ code
10:05 tenplus1 I just do lua, and pull up the odd bug here and there :D
10:10 shivajiva to my untrained eye it checks for collision box and handles it with stairs and bounce as special cases
10:10 Calinou I'd try to follow https://learnopengl.com/ but no time…
10:10 Calinou I'm learning to drive currently, I have many lessons per week
10:11 Calinou I have paperwork to do for university as well
10:11 tenplus1 good luck dude :)
10:11 Calinou thanks, it's going okay so far
10:11 Jordach Calinou, remember, left side of the road is the good side
10:16 rubenwardy Tenplus1, c++ isn't that hard, but Minetest is
10:16 rubenwardy As it's such a big project
10:16 tenplus1 agree'd
10:17 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/248a1a8d65c483edcab328d898cc​570071d6a182/src/collision.cpp#L468 <-- I know what I need to look at is here, just figuring it out properly is the issue
10:17 rubenwardy Separation of concerns is basically not a thing in MT
10:27 tenplus1 ?
10:29 rubenwardy Google it :p
10:29 rubenwardy Also, any suggestions for tomorrow's Dev meeting?
10:29 tenplus1 yeah have donuts
10:30 Calinou Jordach: France here :P
10:30 Calinou rubenwardy: getting a C++ project to compile/link/run on Windows is still often painful
10:31 Calinou and it very often goes into "I have no idea why it doesn't work/why it works" territory
10:31 Calinou it's completely different to Go, Rust, Nim, etc
10:31 Calinou with Rust, I can Git clone any properly written Rust program, type `cargo run --release` and it's done
10:32 Calinou and Rust itself is very easy to keep up-to-date, you can also install nightly Rust (which some programs) require besides the stable version
10:32 Calinou (which some programs require)*
10:32 tenplus1 I thought rust was failing ?
10:32 Calinou no, it's still going very strong
10:32 Calinou it's probably the most trendy systems programming language right now :P
10:33 Calinou on the Stack Overflow survey, it's the "most loved" language
10:33 tenplus1 heh, better than c++ and on all major formats ??
10:34 rubenwardy Calinou, Windows sucks though
10:34 rubenwardy Lol
10:35 Calinou tenplus1: probably, yes
10:35 rubenwardy Tbh, the main reason I moved to Linux originally was to dev Minetest
10:35 rubenwardy So much easier to compile
10:35 Calinou rubenwardy: good languages are easy to develop in, regardless of the OS you use
10:35 tenplus1 if it compiles the same code on all formats a lot easier then yeah, it's worthwhile D
10:35 Calinou you shouldn't be required to switch to Linux just to develop things
10:35 Calinou if you think this is how you increase Linux market share, you should feel bad :P
10:35 rubenwardy Linux is just better for dependency management
10:36 rubenwardy Even Python is annoying on windows
10:36 rubenwardy At least when I used it 10 years ago
10:36 Calinou Python is okay on Windows, better than PHP on Windows actually
10:36 rubenwardy Wow
10:36 tenplus1 ooh, gotta check Python 3.6 new stuff
10:36 Calinou PHP on Windows is a mess, most people tell you to use a Linux VM
10:36 Calinou (Vagrant or otherwise)
10:36 Calinou it's also much slower (not that it matters too much)
10:38 tenplus1 saw a neat video on Banana Pi (quad 1.6ghz, 2gb etc) board running Ubuntu Server with snaps, looked a great mt server
10:38 Calinou rubenwardy: also, I didn't mean to offend you, I'm just a bit annoyed by some "tactics" Linux advocates seem to use to try to make it gain market share
10:39 rubenwardy You didnt
10:40 rubenwardy It would be better if windows came with a nice dependency manager
10:40 Calinou true; there is vcpkg now but it's limited to usage with MSVC
10:40 Calinou https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg
10:40 Calinou Conan (https://www.conan.io/) is dead now, mostly
10:40 rubenwardy What about chocolatey?
10:40 Calinou but it worked with MSVC and MinGW (IIRC), and was written in Python (despite being targeted at C++)
10:41 Calinou Chocolatey isn't for libraries, it's for end-user software
10:41 rubenwardy Ah
10:42 rubenwardy Would be nice to have a shallowly apt compatible one
10:42 rubenwardy Ie: aliased package names
10:42 rubenwardy So you could copy and paste apt commands and have it work for most simple things
10:42 rubenwardy Obviously not for ppas
10:46 Jordach Calinou, ;)
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10:59 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:07 Fixer hello everyone
11:08 tenplus1 o/
11:08 rubenwardy Hi fixer
11:10 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
11:10 Raven262 Hi Calinou
11:10 tenplus1 hi raven
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11:35 tenplus1 lol, split
11:35 ThomasMonroe hi ten
11:35 tenplus1 hi caleb
11:35 tenplus1 hi thomas
11:35 CalebDavis hi ten
11:37 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated, when facing fence/gate mobs will not walk forward
11:37 ThomasMonroe nice
11:42 Raven262 This allfaces drawtype seems to be very bugged.
11:44 tenplus1 whats happening ?
11:44 Raven262 When looking trough the allfaces node, you can see the other allfaces node when it is behind it.
11:44 Raven262 Except
11:44 Raven262 If you are looking northwards and southwards, then you can't
11:45 Raven262 It becomes invisible
11:46 tenplus1 tha is weird...
11:46 Raven262 Oh, and inverted that^ if the node doesn't connect to the first one
11:47 red-001 great discord broke again
11:47 tenplus1 hi red
11:47 red-001 hi tenplus1
11:48 Raven262 Hi red-001
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11:49 tenplus1 wb CWz
11:51 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/lHARMXs3Lu.png
11:52 CWz ello tenplus1
11:52 tenplus1 ::P
11:52 rubenwardy 😭
11:52 CWz what dat?
11:52 rubenwardy The forum does not like unicode emojis
11:53 tenplus1 I see it now am using ubuntu fixed font
11:57 Fixer EMOJI ANALYSIS~~
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11:59 tenplus1 wb Krock
11:59 Krock hi tenplus1
12:05 tenplus1 laters all :P
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12:14 ThomasMonroe hey DS
12:15 DS-minetest hey :)
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14:19 lisac https://i.redd.it/x3rkv4uvdzez.png
14:21 Krock aagh noo
14:21 Krock crying too
14:21 Raven262 𓆣
14:22 Krock u0131A3??
14:23 Raven262 A scarab
14:23 Raven262 I can't see it myself
14:24 Krock lisac, /r/programmerhumor ?
14:24 lisac Krock, y
14:24 lisac I happen to be subscribed
14:25 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6​sxea0/http_error_code_418_im_a_teapot_is_about_​to_be/?utm_content=comments&amp;utm_medium=hot&​amp;utm_source=reddit&amp;utm_name=frontpage
14:25 lisac apparently they want to remove error 418 from Node.js
14:32 Krock lisac, the top comment couldn't be better :D
14:32 Krock "Tfw you have to compile your own tears"
14:35 lisac :P
14:44 rubenwardy What
14:45 Krock what what
14:45 Raven262 What What What
14:46 Dumbeldor what what what what
14:46 lumidify wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
14:50 Krock lol
14:52 Krock programming languages are genious
15:01 Calinou hi Raven262
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15:12 benrob0329 https://godotengine.org/article/we-should-al​l-use-gltf-20-export-3d-assets-game-engines
15:20 Calinou yeah, don't imply Irrlicht will support this soon :P
15:27 Fixer Calinou: in 20 years will probably support
15:53 benrob0329 Assimp might support it, or some other parser
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17:13 tumeninodes wii/benrob0329
17:14 tumeninodes benrob0329, my VidMe video finally processed :P
17:15 benrob0329 tumeninodes: vidme, or the other thing?
17:16 tumeninodes duh haha I was just thinking "wrong one?" yes the other thingy
17:16 benrob0329 link?
17:18 tumeninodes https://www.bitchute.com/video/qzMGIEmrMYlc/ 16 views already heh
17:19 tumeninodes so anyway yeah, open to the public now I guess
17:20 benrob0329 not the highest quality
17:21 * tumeninodes is no producer. Just a quick sample vid I did a bit back
17:23 tumeninodes it was low quality trash going in. But there is no quality diff between the copy on my YT acct so not sure what kind of differences bitchute has vs YT aside from obvious stuff currently
17:24 tumeninodes it's coll though and hope it catches on well, thanks for mentioning it
17:24 tumeninodes *cool
17:25 Shara Hello all
17:25 tumeninodes Hi Shara
17:26 Shara Hi tumeninodes :)
17:31 tumeninodes are you "happy" today? :D
17:31 Shara What happens if I'm not?
17:32 Shara (those quotation marks are scary)
17:32 tumeninodes you get this face -_-
17:33 Raven262 Hi Shara
17:33 Raven262 Hi tumeninodes
17:33 tumeninodes my dr pushed some muscle relaxers on me so I'm "happy". Prob shouldn't be irc-ing while on druuugs haha
17:33 tumeninodes Hi Raven
17:36 Shara I'm sure we'll all try to stop you doing anything "too" silly :)
17:37 Shara And hi Raven262
17:37 tumeninodes muahahahaha :P
17:43 rdococ hi
17:44 tumeninodes Hi rdococ
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17:49 tumeninodes wandering afk
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18:22 rubenwardy o/
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18:31 Shara hi rubenwardy
18:34 tumeninodes hi rubenwardy
18:34 rubenwardy hi Shara, tumeninodes
18:34 rubenwardy How's it going?
18:35 tumeninodes |o| <---- tie fighter (that's about how it's going) :P
18:35 rubenwardy <o>
18:35 tumeninodes .... Vader....
18:36 rubenwardy Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
18:37 tumeninodes no, and I'm thinking there's a joke in there somewhere but I'm too goofy atm to figure it out
18:37 Shara Going okay thanks.
18:38 Shara Server related idiocy overnight seems to have stayed away through the day :)
18:38 tumeninodes nvm just remembered duh
18:40 tumeninodes then you are happy... I knew it
18:41 Shara tumeninodes: Maybe a different kind of happy from you though :)
18:41 tumeninodes yes
18:42 tumeninodes I don't know how people handle running a server... you have a gift of patience & tolerance
18:44 tumeninodes rubenwardy just made me realize, some Sen. Palpatine influence could come in handy with the little jedi pupils that run rampant on servers :D
18:44 Shara Well, the things requiring patience are slowly getting worse and worse.
18:44 tumeninodes you need a Darth Vader mod
18:44 sofar ban faster?
18:45 tumeninodes that too
18:45 sofar I always find it funny when people ban for less than 24h on a first offense
18:46 tumeninodes doesn't even seem like enough time for it to set in on the mind of the player. No time for them to reflect
18:47 tumeninodes most young ones who get banned seem to rage for the first few hours, at least.
18:48 Shara sofar: I rarely ever temp ban.
18:48 tumeninodes you just full out perma ban? 0_o
18:48 Shara Depends on what they did
18:49 tumeninodes sounds a lot like a challenge :P
18:50 Shara Assuming you are a decent player when you're on servers, do you want to see the chat filled with someone spamming racist or sometimes sexual insults, or any other kinds of personal attacks?
18:51 tumeninodes noooo that's my least favorite thing to do
18:51 Shara I don't give second chances for some of the things I've seen.
18:51 Shara And my players shouldn't have to put up with that,
18:51 tumeninodes exact and true
18:52 Shara I don't allow swearing (my server, so my choice, to anyone who thinks it's fine), but I'll usually warn instead of insta-ban for that.
18:52 Shara But again, depends on how it's used
18:52 tumeninodes there is one guy I've seen on YT who literally joins servers to troll kids into a rage... kinda funny and kinda disturbing at the same time
18:53 tumeninodes yeh, I definitely don't want to get into the whole "bad word" thing anymore but, I agree with you on that stance
18:55 Shara I try to keep it fair.
18:55 tumeninodes that's a whole lotta trying haha
18:56 Shara Yes :P
18:56 tumeninodes would be funny though, a Vader mod.... command /killthemall
18:56 tumeninodes just to shake things up a bit once in a while
18:57 Shara I have commands that slow players down, disable their ability to jump, make them unable to leave certain areas or insta-teleport them to a cage while stripping their privs... :P
18:57 sfan5 i think you can summarize that last one as "jail"
18:57 tumeninodes man, I could use one of those for my neighbor's kids IRL :P
18:57 Shara heh
18:58 tumeninodes I think Hometown does jail
18:58 tumeninodes and anyone seen at spawn with a striped skin on is open season
18:58 Shara sfan5: if you say jail, most people think you mean the usual jail mod, but this doesn't work the same way
18:59 Shara But any of those things are usually a good test to see if a player will calm down and might turn into a decent player
18:59 Shara most fail, rage and then get banned anyway of course
18:59 tumeninodes hehe
19:05 tumeninodes gonna go mess up some more code... ttyl and have a good eve
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19:39 benrob0329 >puts meme in video
19:39 benrob0329 what have I done
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20:11 Calinou permabanning is evil, but that's just me
20:11 Calinou (with rare exceptions, and of course, bots)
20:13 Fixer kek
20:13 Fixer i remember on mc beta  1.7.3 server someone said that minetest even has JAIL!1111
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21:15 ThomasMonroe elinor
21:19 elinor Yes?
21:20 ThomasMonroe how much protection do you have on HOWETOWN?
21:20 Shara Can anyone who needs autovoice let me know please?
21:21 elinor I don't know, but at least four hundred protection blocks and logos.
21:21 ThomasMonroe woah
21:22 Wuzzy autovoice?
21:22 ThomasMonroe what are you building?
21:22 Wuzzy =automatic voice on join?
21:22 Shara Yup.
21:22 Wuzzy i guess pretty much everyone?!
21:22 Wuzzy unless they stay online forever
21:23 Shara Problem is most who don't have it don't identify.
21:23 Wuzzy start with me
21:23 Wuzzy why u need voice here anyway?
21:23 Shara To speak.
21:23 ThomasMonroe bcs of the +m flag
21:24 Wuzzy i was asking for the rationale
21:24 Shara It was what everyone agreed on when the channel was made.
21:24 Wuzzy who was that?
21:24 Shara You can check the list yourself to see who showed up when
21:25 Shara I don't really feel like being grilled about it :P
21:25 * Shara pokes twoelk for being a newbie
21:26 * twoelk wonders how that hapened
21:26 Shara Wuzzy: added you
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21:28 twoelk wow newbie4? some netsplit?
21:31 Krock no, just a time out
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22:32 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-t​echnology/2017/08/embattled-soundclou​d-gets-170-million-lifeline-new-ceo/
22:32 Fixer heh
22:32 Fixer 2 years to reupload stuff to other "service"
23:06 rdococ No, this :P

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