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05:57 rdococ WTF... minetest terrain generation is just getting weirder and weirder
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08:49 tenplus1 hi folks
09:07 VanessaE morning, tenplus1
09:07 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
09:22 shivajiva Good morning tenplus, Vanessa :)
09:22 VanessaE hi
09:22 tenplus1 hi shiva
09:23 tenplus1 my tnt pulls got an ok although the spelling of centre seems to be an issue now
09:23 shivajiva LOL
09:23 VanessaE heh
09:23 tenplus1 even though it appears in teh code and documentation with that exact spelling many MANY times
09:23 tenplus1 o.O
09:23 VanessaE you euros and your extra u's and swapped e/r :)
09:24 tenplus1 lol, am not in Euro anymore
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09:25 shivajiva if it's spelt the correct way more than the Americanism then you should stick with it tenplus
09:25 VanessaE I was kidding, tenplus1  :)
09:26 VanessaE shivajiva: you have /msgs waiting :P
09:26 tenplus1 oh I will :) unless they change all of the current 'centre' references at the same time
09:27 shivajiva Oh the 'he's a coward' even though I stood up...seen it, expected it, laughing at it :)
09:27 tenplus1 ?
09:30 paramat i did github searches for both spellings, the USA spelling is used much more often in the code, docs don't count
09:30 paramat that's the only reason
09:31 tenplus1 for me it feels more like the appropriate word and unless every reference is changed to 'center' I'll keep it as is
09:38 paramat i'm english and also prefer english spelling of words, and MT is more european than north american, but code consistency is more important :]
09:41 tenplus1 exactly, so until ALL references are the same within the code/docs I'll keep my choice...  am not doing this to annoy you, it simply feels the right word to use for that setting paramat
09:42 shivajiva perhaps a separate pr to align the 'dodgy' ones is in order
09:43 tenplus1 we have 5 pages full of them: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/sear​ch?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=centre&type=
09:44 tenplus1 and a mere 4 of the other spelling
09:54 paramat the uses of 'centre' are mostly comments, not code
09:55 paramat and mostly translation docs for comments, duplicating the search results
09:55 tenplus1 if it's used in comments to denote the middle of something then I'm using the right word
09:55 paramat no, because it's code that counts, docs and comments can be trivially changed without breakage
09:56 tenplus1 dude, it's my code that counts and it's already documented properly, why are we pushing this ?
09:57 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
09:57 tenplus1 hi raven o/
09:59 paramat i've explained already, code consistency, but it's ok you don't have to change it if you don't want to, i'm just explaining the reasons so you can consider :]
09:59 tenplus1 in my head:   community center ....  centre of the explosion
10:00 paramat hi jas_ you have voice
10:01 jas_ How do you spell centered?  Hi and thanks paramat
10:02 jas_ Or when youre centering something?  What if it was centered?  Just curious.
10:02 tenplus1 centred.   adj.  1. placed or situated in the centre
10:02 jas_ Thats called a penny
10:02 jas_ Lol jk : )
10:03 jas_ So what about 'color'?
10:03 tenplus1 colour here
10:03 jas_ 140 plus instances of color
10:03 jas_ How many for colour?
10:04 jas_ The spelling literally isnt the point
10:06 jas_ Only that one is chosen over the other and i have never seen colour or centre in minetest
10:07 jas_ Also it seems to me software uses en-us.  To be frank.
10:07 tenplus1 41 instances of 'centre' and 36 instances or 'center'
10:07 jas_ And how many for colour?  Versus color
10:08 tenplus1 color is the only one uses, so US-eng there
10:08 tenplus1 although centre vs center.. both are used globally
10:08 jas_ I see.
10:10 jas_ I hadnt heard that before ten but i believe it
10:11 jas_ I take issue with being picky on the one word tho.  Color is ok but center is not?
10:12 jas_ What about meter?  (Metre)
10:12 tenplus1 metre is international, meter is american
10:13 jas_ "If you're going to split hairs, I'm going to piss off."
10:13 tenplus1 who said that ?
10:13 jas_ Lol
10:13 jas_ Eric idle
10:13 tenplus1 ahh, good old eric
10:13 jas_ : D
10:13 jas_ Bbfn gl hf
10:13 tenplus1 o/
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10:24 tenplus1 hi Krock
10:24 Krock hi tenplus1
10:27 tenplus1 *sigh* 'improvement needed' flag on git...  seems I'm not getting away with using my own language choice
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10:41 tenplus1 hi rdococ
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10:43 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
10:44 DI3HARD139 Hello
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10:51 tenplus1 hi fixer
10:52 Fixer hi
10:54 rdococ hi
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11:28 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:48 rdococ hi
11:49 Raven262 tenplus1, which nodes can't be destroyed by these dungeon master things on Xanadu?
11:49 Raven262 My whole city is being partially demolished by their raids every time.
11:50 tenplus1 anything with  on_blast = function() end,
11:50 Raven262 Great.
11:50 tenplus1 I've overridden cloud blocks and stairs with it so they cant be destroyed
11:50 Raven262 Stairs you say?
11:50 Raven262 Any stairs?
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11:51 tenplus1 default:cloud and cloud stairs
11:51 tenplus1 hi lisac
11:51 Raven262 ah
11:51 rdococ Cloud stairs?
11:51 tenplus1 heh yeah, I added cloud stairs and glass to Xanadu for admin use :P
11:57 lisac Hi tenplus1
11:57 tenplus1 o/
11:57 lisac tenplus1, can you please add blast resistant materials on Xanadu?
11:57 lisac at least obisidian
11:58 tenplus1 yeah, I'll override obdidian block and brick...
11:59 lisac and obisidian slopes
12:00 tenplus1 lol
12:00 tenplus1 I may have to update stairs redo so it works with custom functions :P
12:01 lisac also, can we get another account to our network, tenplus1?
12:01 tenplus1 will do obsidian obsidianbrick and obsidian_block for now
12:01 lisac a friend wants to join xanadu
12:01 lisac but can't register due to 3 name limit
12:02 tenplus1 on your ip ?
12:02 lisac yes
12:03 tenplus1 k, ask them to try now
12:03 lisac okay, thanks :D
12:04 tenplus1 I use to have an unbreakable group for nodes that cannot get blown up but TNT mod doesnt adhere to that...
12:05 lisac it's more for the mobs
12:06 tenplus1 also remember if the area is protected then mob explosions dont damage anything
12:10 lisac tenplus1, that doesn't sound right
12:11 tenplus1 it's set so that mob damage doesnt occur inside protected areas, but they will stil hurt players/other mobs
12:14 rdococ moo.
12:14 tenplus1 ehehe hi rdococ
12:15 rdococ Yay.
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12:48 tenplus1 wb
14:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1844
14:53 sfan5 tenplus1: IMO explode_middle is not as precise as explode_center
14:53 sfan5 like it doesn't sound so nice
14:53 tenplus1 it saves complaint over spelling
14:53 sfan5 there's no need for complaints, just use the american spelling
14:53 tenplus1 which doesnt look right to me
14:54 tenplus1 once all of the word 'centre' has been changed to 'center' in the code and comments and docs then I'll change
14:55 Shara Ther eis no need for documents to be consistent with code
14:55 Shara There is*
14:56 Shara Documentation just needs to be consistent within itself
14:56 Shara Can't devs just adjust the name when merging anyway?
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14:57 tenplus1 hi tumeni
14:57 tumeninodes you just scared the bejeseus outta me hehe Hi tenplus1
14:57 tenplus1 :P
14:58 tumeninodes I never turned my speakers down from a movie last night
14:58 tenplus1 eek
14:58 Shara I know small details of my PRs have been changed when they were merged before... so it just seems wasteful for a fuss to be made about it when it can simply be changed then.
15:00 tumeninodes I have been following this for a few minutes using a sports commentator voice in my head. "And ten goes on the offensive... sfan5 goes around the outside and throws a pass to paramat!!!... the game intesifies :D
15:01 tenplus1 ehehe
15:01 Krock tenplus1, there's no "explode_middle" param for "tnt.boom", like your commit suggests
15:01 Krock it's within the TNT definition
15:02 Shara I'm "a brit", so based on what celeron55 says, I don't get a say, but that's funny since I'm generally in favour of using US spellings for something like this :P
15:02 Krock there's also a "def.explosion_centre" leftover, which definitely is outdated
15:02 tenplus1 I changed pull to add explode_middle
15:02 Shara Mostly I'm just in favour of consistency though
15:05 tenplus1 Krock: does it appear now... travis was working on it
15:06 tumeninodes I'm from the Boston, Massachusetts/USA area where everyone says "cena" = centre/center. For consistency the rule is "assimilate ...or die"
15:06 tenplus1 lol tumeni...
15:07 Krock tenplus1, yes, the new commit arrived but the docs are still wrong :<
15:08 Krock tumeninodes, Resistance is futile. You'll be assimilated"
15:08 tenplus1 docs ? those were changed
15:08 tumeninodes Hi Krock, haha
15:09 tenplus1 game_api.txt shows change here
15:09 Krock tenplus1, indeed changed but for the params of "tnt.boom"
15:09 Krock instaed of the TNT definition
15:10 tenplus1 I accounted for that...
15:10 tenplus1 `definition` The TNT definion as passed to `tnt.register` with the following addition:
15:10 Krock tumeninodes, that's not funny. However, I wonder how a Borg vs Daleks war would end (would it end?)
15:10 tenplus1 `explode_middle` false by default which removes TNT node on blast, when true will explode centre node.
15:10 tenplus1 when calling tnt.boom you can use the same definition with the following addition of the 'explode_middle' flag
15:10 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/184​4/files#diff-8eb62e836e64c72a439c178d35c178a8R290
15:11 Krock that's where the param should be added
15:11 Krock as it's not limited to the tnt.boom function
15:11 tenplus1 but it isnt used within regoster_tnt at all
15:11 tenplus1 if you make a tnt block whats the point of keeping the centre node and exploding middle ?
15:12 tenplus1 as soon as you explode it the tnt:boom node will be there so it'll never be in use
15:12 tenplus1 'explode_middle' will only ever be in use when you call tnt:boom itself
15:12 tumeninodes Krock, thanks now my day is going to be stuck in an existential abyss
15:14 Krock tenplus1, but what about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/blob/master/mods/tnt/init.lua#L604
15:14 tumeninodes afk
15:15 Krock so you only want to make the centre of the initial "boom node" configurable?
15:15 tenplus1 that doesnt count... like I said explode'middle will never be in use with an actual tnt block that's registered... only ever when tnt.boom is used in 3rd partty mod
15:16 tenplus1 if you use it when registereing tnt block it'll constantly call on_blast and go into a loop
15:17 Krock in this case it would be a proper solution to pass this as a 3rd argument. Otherwise there are kinda two different TNT definitions. a basic one with the current params plus an extended for tnt.boom, which allows rescuing the centre
15:17 Shara And xban db corrupt yet again :(
15:17 Krock backups!
15:18 Shara Krock: I do, but I'm still tired of it corrupting
15:18 tenplus1 that's over complicating the pull, it's meant for use with 3rd party mobs and to stop the loops
15:18 Shara It happens far too often.
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15:19 tenplus1 hi Megaf
15:19 behalebabo Shara: how does it corrupt? database is blank?
15:19 Megaf Hi tenplus1
15:19 Shara Eats itself
15:19 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCsvLDjdOdo
15:19 Megaf !title
15:19 ShadowBot Megaf: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB.
15:19 Megaf "15 inch Subwoofer vs 60,000 PSI Waterjet"
15:19 Krock so  function tnt.boom(pos, def, explode_centre) isn't an option?
15:20 Krock ψψψ PSI ψψψ
15:20 Raven262 𓆣
15:20 behalebabo Shara: there is an easy fix for this, modify xban to write the database to a temporary file (say, DB_FILENAME .. '.tmp' for example), then use os.rename to atomically rename it like os.rename(DB_FILENAME .. '.tmp', DB_FILENAME)
15:20 Shara I have something set up to make a backup, then check the size of the current xban.db to the back up at regular intervals, but it seems I don't catch it quickly enough, since the most recent backups generally also turn out to be corrupt
15:20 tenplus1 no
15:20 tenplus1 it's within the def table
15:21 Krock ...but..
15:21 behalebabo of course, I'm assuming the corruption occurs during saving here
15:21 Raven262 A question: Which one of these things in the oredef makes the ore spawn less?
15:21 behalebabo if it's a bug in other parts of the mod, I don't know a solution
15:21 Shara Last time this happened, I had to go back a month in the end to prevent it corrupting after another couple of days
15:21 Krock Raven262, all of them can be used
15:21 Shara Then it corrupted after.. a think two weeks anyway
15:21 Shara I think*
15:21 Raven262 What do i use to make one node spawn rarely?
15:22 Raven262 I need only one node, not a cluster
15:22 Krock clust_scarcity = 8*8*8,
15:22 Raven262 and for it to be really rare
15:22 Krock change to something higher, like 16*16*16
15:22 Raven262 i placed 25
15:22 tenplus1 Raven262: increase clust_scarity number or reduce clust_num_ores
15:22 Raven262 i did both
15:22 Raven262 clust_num_ores is 1
15:22 Krock clust_num_ores = 1 will only generate single ores, instead of multiple next to each other
15:22 Raven262 and clust_scracity is 25
15:23 Raven262 Thanks, i wasn't sure of that.
15:23 Krock 23*25*25?
15:23 tenplus1 25*25*25 ?
15:23 Raven262 yes
15:23 Krock ninjas...
15:23 Raven262 So what does clust_scrarcity affect?
15:23 Krock you could also set the limits from Y -1024 to -1030 but that'd be a quite strange ore
15:24 tenplus1 the chance of a cluster appearing in that generated mapblock
15:24 Krock "- ^ Ore has a 1 out of clust_scarcity chance of spawning in a node"
15:24 Raven262 nice
15:24 Raven262 Well, that solves my problem then, thanks :)
15:24 Krock !next
15:24 ShadowBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:24 tenplus1 lol
15:30 lisac You are my favorite costumer!
15:31 lisac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghp6GQTIvQA
15:32 tenplus1 lol
15:34 tumeninodes why lisac? .... why!?
15:34 lisac :P
15:34 lisac anyways, people made open AI for DOTA2
15:34 lisac and got is so good at learning
15:35 lisac it defeated all 3 top players in single combat
15:35 lisac https://blog.openai.com/dota-2/
15:35 tenplus1 saw that... looked good
15:35 lisac even Elon Musk commented
15:35 lisac which means, Elon Musk watches the international!
15:35 tumeninodes Elon Musk is watching.... "everything" (even you)
15:36 rubenwardy lol, Shara and tenplus1 disagree on american english
15:36 tenplus1 hi ruben
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15:36 rubenwardy let us british join forces and free ourselves from our opproessors!
15:36 rubenwardy oh wait....
15:37 jas_ rofl
15:37 rubenwardy for too long has a far away country determined our use of language
15:37 tumeninodes I despise American English, and I'm American. I even say aluminium foil (mostly because it annoys my kids)
15:37 tenplus1 heh
15:37 jas_ wait i do too, but didn't think anything of it.
15:38 tumeninodes ha
15:38 lisac oh hai Elon
15:38 rubenwardy it's more consistent
15:38 rubenwardy with eg: potassium
15:38 tumeninodes Mericanz is lazee
15:38 lisac tumeninodes, I despise english. Everyone should learn Serbian. It's so much easier
15:38 Shara rubenwardy: http://gingercat.tk/pics/08.jpg
15:39 lisac and you can find so many ways to actually swear without triggering filters
15:39 rubenwardy lol
15:39 tenplus1 :P
15:39 rubenwardy was that by your friend, Shara? Or is it just an internet thing
15:39 lisac Shara, It's over!
15:39 tumeninodes must learn
15:39 Shara brb sorry
15:39 lisac I've got the high ground
15:39 lisac or the grammar cat got it
15:40 tenplus1 the whole reason I changed the word completely to something safer :D
15:40 paramat Raven262 clust_scarcity is the average number of 'wherein' nodes you need to dig to find a single ore 'cluster'
15:40 lisac paramat, how do you know? You weren't there.
15:41 lisac and no I am not referencing a shitty vietnam movie
15:41 lisac oh you are looking through the logs
15:41 Raven262 So, the greater the number the rarer the ore?
15:41 tumeninodes paramt and Elon are one
15:41 paramat it's written like 8*8*8 because that shows that the average separation of ore clusters is 8 nodes. so choose your desired cluster separation and use 's*s*s'
15:42 Raven262 Ah, got it, thanks.
15:52 tenplus1 what ore are you playing with ?
15:54 Shara rubenwardy: Sorry for slow answer. Was busy being annoyed on the phone by my ISP :P
15:54 Shara But all the pics cats are drawn by someone I know.
15:54 Shara That one just felt.. appropriate :P
15:54 tenplus1 heh
15:54 Shara I absolutely hate US english by the way; it's just that me hating it isn't a reason not to use it.
15:55 Shara (grammar cat was based on me :P)
15:56 Shara But for documentation/comments, with very few exceptions, when I've written something or done editing, what people care about is consistency more than which english things are in.
16:04 tenplus1 and consistency is achieved by stating rules offhand
16:06 tumeninodes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMGPYrDAfM8
16:07 Raven262 Its not an ore, tenplus1.
16:07 Raven262 Well, techically it is.
16:07 tenplus1 special node for schematic placement ?
16:07 Raven262 But anyways, you'll se in about an hour when i update my mod :)
16:08 Raven262 No, that would lag :P
16:08 Raven262 *see
16:08 tenplus1 heh
16:08 lisac tenplus1, Xanadu lags a bit right now
16:09 lisac for some reason
16:09 lisac or, at least it lagged
16:09 tenplus1 yeh, we hav a few players using bogus clients, that seems to lag things
16:09 Raven262 lisac, our connection lags right now, idk why.
16:09 tenplus1 if everyone was on minetest it'd be sitting at 0.3
16:10 lisac why not kick the new guests?
16:10 tenplus1 will persist with them until 0.5.0 release then I force players to update
16:16 lisac tenplus1, can plants grow underground?
16:17 tenplus1 yeah if you have a light level of 13+
16:17 tenplus1 meselamp or post
16:18 lisac great, thanks :D
16:26 lisac how do i tame horses, tenplus1? sorry for tons of questions
16:26 tenplus1 :) that's ok...  8x wheat
16:26 lisac okay :D
16:26 tenplus1 yea, 8x wheat or 8x apple
16:26 tenplus1 sorry 10x
16:26 paramat either mese light, but it needs to be a face-connected neighbour, not a diagonal neighbour
16:44 tenplus1 paramat: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1844
16:55 Raven262 tenplus1, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=18186
16:55 paramat aw thanks
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19:14 Megaf oh no, bad contact in the wire inside my earphone
19:17 Megaf its less than one year old
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20:01 Jordach Megaf, don't buy Megaf Chi-Fi
20:01 Jordach Megaf, https://i.redditmedia.com/vnYYezLHAEFIuI​wH7eXLImUmhPwdn8NFI-pjOfdOc9Y.jpg?w=695&​amp;s=1628bcf8a7928d3d783d8bcb431f6d05
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20:20 rubenwardy <+rubenwardy> please can we lock the modding questions topic, and encourage people to make individual topics?
20:20 rubenwardy <+rubenwardy> It makes it considerably easier for people to find the answer to their questions
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20:26 Fixer Jordach: they are all chinese, buyer of headphones should also buy soldering station
20:27 Fixer fuck, even chinese teapot is piece of shit, fucking teapot... Karl
20:28 Fixer like 2 years and it is done
20:28 Fixer how is this possible?
20:28 Fixer how they degenerated to this?
20:28 rubenwardy because people buy it
20:29 rubenwardy they're very good at making things cheap
20:29 Fixer i probably was not clear, teapot = that metal thing for heating water %)
20:29 rubenwardy lol
20:30 Fixer we call it like teapot here
20:30 rubenwardy electricless kettle
20:30 Fixer no
20:30 Fixer for gas
20:30 rubenwardy yeah
20:30 Fixer oh lol
20:30 Fixer that name
20:30 rubenwardy for us, a teapot is for storing already made tea
20:30 Fixer good I made clarification
20:30 rubenwardy even better
20:30 rubenwardy an electricless metal kettle
20:31 rubenwardy if you google metal kettle, the old gas ones come up
20:31 rubenwardy well, as well as electric ones
20:31 Fixer an electricless kettle lasts for few years only, ceramic teapot for storing tea is ok
20:32 Fixer these days everything is chinisium and quality is gamble
20:32 rubenwardy what is the teapot is china but made in England?
20:32 Fixer i'm expecting electricless metal kettle too last like 50 years...
20:32 Fixer probably too old school
20:32 rubenwardy why is china called china, is it from China
20:33 Fixer here in East Europe there are "brands" that say like it is totally from UK or Germany but it is a big lie, it is made in china (PRC)
20:33 Fixer China*
20:34 rubenwardy China china, Polish polish
20:34 Fixer eventually that companies were forced to disclose that info
20:34 rubenwardy polish your China china with Polish polish
20:34 Fixer chinisium (tm)(r)
20:34 Fixer those*
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20:37 Megaf Jordach, they are sony
20:38 Fixer fuck, I have headphones from pre 1990 era, and you can kill someone with them, in 2017 - it is chinisium shit that breaks in half or fucking wires again because you touched it wrong way
20:39 Megaf my is the in year type...
20:39 Megaf And I sleep with them everyday
20:40 Megaf I must use them like 16 hours per day
20:40 Jordach Megaf, my huge ass AKG monitors aren't made of Chinesium
20:41 Megaf Jordach, try sleeping with them
20:41 Megaf and they are not noise isolating
20:44 Jordach Megaf, my studios with Pleather and Velour are
20:45 Megaf Jordach, but I will be buying a chinese earphone now
20:45 Megaf https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XSS4TQN/ref=t​wister_B06XSX3BLR?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1
20:45 Megaf Jordach, 0.01 dollar
20:49 Megaf nah, will buy nah
20:52 paramat Fixer, language please :]
21:16 Fixer Sale: $0.01 + $5.99 shipping
21:16 Fixer lolol
21:17 Fixer This item does not ship to Ukraine
21:17 Fixer okay
21:20 Fixer nobody buys them?
21:21 rubenwardy Jordach, what happened to your builtin rewrite?
21:22 Jordach rubenwardy, tl;dr ended up possibly playing MC again
21:22 rubenwardy lool
21:22 Fixer possibly
21:23 Jordach Fixer, it's might have eaten 12GB of RAM
21:24 Fixer i'm currently playing on mc beta 1.7.3 multiplayer server
21:25 Fixer with towny and stuff
21:25 Fixer pve
21:38 Megaf Fixer, theres others that are super cheap
21:44 Fixer and supercrap
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21:45 rdococ Fixer: SUPER CRAP! SUPER CRAP! Does whatever a super can...wait. :P
21:51 Fixer "Researchers report >4,000 apps that secretly record audio and steal logs"
21:51 Fixer A N D R O I D
21:51 rubenwardy both require permissions
21:52 rubenwardy so, PEBKAC
21:52 rubenwardy well, the first definitely does
21:52 rubenwardy on newer APIs you need to explicity ask the user in app using a permission grant dialog
21:53 Jordach Android 7 is fancy af
21:53 Jordach my OEM Wileyfox has Nougat + monthly patches
21:53 Jordach roommates S8+ does not recieve such nice things
22:00 Fixer Android 2
22:05 Fixer what impressed me even in MC beta is how far player activity is visible
22:07 Fixer example: https://i.imgur.com/uObvzFo.png
22:55 * rubenwardy wished Lua had optional chaining
22:55 * rubenwardy wishes Lua had optionals
22:59 rubenwardy Which do you prefer? https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy​/1f6f9db0997235eb8537b871d9c5ce34
23:01 shivajiva obv b
23:06 VanessaE is it possible to "unregister" a leaf decay registration?
23:07 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L369
23:07 rubenwardy yes
23:08 rubenwardy you need to override all the trunks and leafs to remove callbacks
23:08 VanessaE oh it's a straight overwrite eh?
23:08 VanessaE ok.
23:08 rubenwardy copy that linked function, and instead of adding the function set it to nil
23:09 shivajiva without the helper text it wouldn't have made sense whereas option a will always be easy to follow
23:10 rubenwardy once you know the language it's quite easy to follow
23:10 rubenwardy also, with optionals it won't compile if you miss out the ?
23:12 shivajiva :)
23:25 rubenwardy I wonder what the record is for most old PRs and Issues bumped in one day
23:25 rubenwardy probably when "enhancement" was removed
23:26 shivajiva what was enhancement?
23:26 rubenwardy it was a label that was decided to be pointles
23:26 rubenwardy as in, every PR should be an enhancement
23:26 shivajiva ah lol
23:26 rubenwardy it's a default GH label, which is why it existed
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