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00:20 IhrFussel joined #minetest-hub
00:21 IhrFussel I created an average lag mod...players can send /lag to see the average value for the last 60 seconds
00:21 IhrFussel WAYYYYY more useful than the shitty max_lag
00:38 IhrFussel Now I added a "critical" counter that increases if server step took longer than 0.5 secs
00:46 IhrFussel If anybody's interested in the mod code let me know per !tell ... good night!
00:49 bigfoot547 !tell IhrFussel I'd like to see the code pls :)
00:49 ShadowBot bigfoot547: O.K.
00:58 Megaf qemu-system-i386 -M isapc -cpu 486 -m 8 -hda disk.img -fda nt35/NT31ASboot.ima  -boot a -cdrom nt35/WINNT31_AS.iso
00:58 Megaf thats going to be fun
01:02 Megaf I wonder if would be possible to compile Minetest for windows NT 3.x
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01:05 benrob0329 Oh gosh
01:15 bigfoot547 Huh?
01:15 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn57JS9WnAQ
01:15 Megaf Android 8.0 Oreo overview - Everything you need to know!
01:15 Megaf Android Authority
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01:37 benrob0329 https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/neMMuyPBKyUFbxsrMDeNZXcT
01:38 benrob0329 Matrix is getting interesting
01:59 Natechip I can talk now! :D thanks XD
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07:09 nore https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5274 is complete, just putting it there for whoever might be interested :)
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08:47 tenplus1 hi folks
08:47 Shara Good morning
08:47 tenplus1 hey Shara :)
08:47 Shara :)
08:48 * tenplus1 actually has a few days off now.... w00000t!
08:48 tenplus1 hows u
08:48 Shara :D
08:48 Shara not bad thanks
08:48 Shara you?
08:48 tenplus1 tired, making oatmeal :P
08:48 tenplus1 seen a few pull requests for my mods I gotta look at
08:49 Shara I'm trying to decide what to work on next... too many projects at once here
08:50 tenplus1 heh
08:50 tenplus1 sooooo many mods :PPP
08:50 Shara armor mod, CRL, some fixes on other things....
08:50 Shara ekk
08:51 tenplus1 am trying to think of better ways to do lucky blocks for mods...  cant just drop items all the time, would be boring... need to think of more imaginative ways to do stuff
08:51 Shara Did you do any CRL ones yet?
08:51 tenplus1 er, lemmie check
08:52 tenplus1 nope, not yet
08:52 tenplus1 last one's I worked on was abritorch and complete moreblocks
08:52 Shara For some reason I just had the idea of a DM statue that shoots players :P
08:52 tenplus1 sounds good
08:53 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=4&t=18237
08:53 Shara Hmm, that looks nice
08:53 tenplus1 yeah :) texture packs add a whole new feel.... kinda wish we had sount sets already, some realistic walking sounds would be welcome
08:54 Shara Though it seems that person is breaking the copyright disclaimer on the site and is trying to cover it up
08:55 Shara Or hmm, maybe not, as they are just linking
08:56 tenplus1 err
08:56 Shara It doesn't seem to be their own work though, so it's a bit weird
08:58 tenplus1 they've prolly converted a texture pack across from minecraft and changed it a little
08:59 Shara Site says you can't redistribute it. But I only asee a link to the site, not to any MT version.
08:59 * Shara shrugs
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09:05 tenplus1 hi nrz
09:10 Megaf Hi tenplus1
09:10 tenplus1 hi Megaf :P
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09:14 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
09:15 DI3HARD139 Hello
09:16 tenplus1 o////
09:19 Megaf tenplus1, you got online too early, I was asleep
09:19 tenplus1 ehehe, I've been up and even went shopping already :D
09:19 tenplus1 10:19 here
09:19 tenplus1 am
09:20 Megaf oh my, its coming!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVc-jfxraDE
09:21 tenplus1 free energy: http://staginglol.gemnnwclth7mfvu.maxcdn-ed​ge.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/599ba2233​b2ac_d9fb5c970d3eb97ac384daacb214da39.mp4
09:22 Megaf tenplus1, hah, ive seen that already
09:23 Megaf but not free, unless cats are not yours
09:23 tenplus1 :PP
09:28 Megaf meh, Isle of Men is tiny
09:29 Megaf tenplus1, have you ever been there?
09:29 tenplus1 not yet...
09:29 tenplus1 had no inclination to visit
09:51 rdococ Are there on_dig callbacks for tool registrations? I want to create obsidian tools (super strong, but super weak), but I don't think I can get the durability low enough.
09:52 tenplus1 you can use the global on_dig functin to check for node and take more wear away
09:52 tenplus1 *check for tool
09:53 rdococ kay
09:54 rdococ so do I have to get the digger's wielded item?
09:54 tenplus1 yeah, and if "mymod:obsidian_tool" then do whatever you wanna do
09:54 rdococ ah.
09:55 tenplus1 of you could use the tool's   after_use function
09:55 tenplus1 to remove MORE wear
09:55 rdococ ah
09:55 rdococ what parameters does it have, though?
09:55 tenplus1 after_use = function(itemstack, user, node)
09:55 rdococ ty
09:56 tenplus1 so itemstack:add_wear(whatever) ; return itemstack
09:56 tenplus1 that way you control the wear level entirely :P
09:56 rdococ yay!
09:57 rdococ after_use seems to have another parameter (digparams) - so I've decided to take 5x the normal wear the node would give
09:57 tenplus1 oops, missed that one :D
09:58 rdococ Wow, that wore out quick O_o
09:58 tenplus1 eheheheh
09:59 rdococ I could only dig 11 nodes :P
09:59 tenplus1 super strong but very low durability :) hah
09:59 rdococ (in this case, default:stone)
09:59 rdococ wow, currently the obsidian sword deals 10 points of damage
10:00 rdococ that can kill an entity in two hits
10:00 rdococ (that is, if the entity's a player)
10:02 tenplus1 I kinda wish the minetest engine itself had the ability to change a tool's metadata to alter it's speed/uses/drops etc
10:03 rdococ that would be cool
10:04 rdococ (I guess for now you can swap out the tools for different tools, though)
10:04 tenplus1 toolranks mod is good for that juyst now with it's level support, making tools last longer
10:04 rdococ I'd like a set of gold tools which would be slow, but last a long time.
10:07 tenplus1 hrm, on mc it's the other way around... goold digs fast and has low durability
10:12 rdococ minecraft is weird.
10:12 rdococ it has obsidian that's durable, and gold that digs fast
10:12 rdococ it's like having a super hard and tough pillow vs a super soft rock
10:12 tenplus1 ehe yeah...  yogscast has a series called "Ozone" where the lag is terrible and thast's on an amazing spec system with 8gb memory running only minecraft
10:13 rdococ were there any mods?
10:13 tenplus1 oh yes, full modpack for the "Ozone" subgame
10:16 rdococ hah, minecraft has a subgame :P
10:17 rdococ (ha ha! minecraft needs patching for mods :P)
10:17 tenplus1 yeah, many ppl seem to make adventure, challenge games with a list of what to accomplish :D
10:17 rdococ minecraft seems to be more survival-oriented than minetest, which is fine by me
10:17 rdococ although I would like to see an engaging minetest survival subgame
10:18 tenplus1 yeah... would be great
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10:21 tenplus1 hi Jordach
10:22 rdococ hi
10:22 rdococ I compiled MT just a day ago, so I'm on what is officially 0.5.0-dev :P
10:23 * tenplus1 is still waiting for final release before updating server, client and mods
10:23 rdococ I do wine 0.4.16 sometimes
10:24 tenplus1 am on 0.4.16-dev (july 19th) at moment
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10:25 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
10:25 tenplus1 hi raven o/
10:26 rdococ I compiled yesterday
10:26 rdococ IhrFussel.
10:26 tenplus1 hi fussel
10:27 rdococ hello, fellow members of homo sapiens! I have not been abducted and replaced with an exact replica of myself whose job is to act, look, and even think like me while being under the control of evil aliens!......wait.
10:28 rdococ (aliens: "shit, we've been found out! abort!")
10:36 IhrFussel Hello tenplus1 rdococ Raven262 and the others :)
10:36 tenplus1 o/
10:36 IhrFussel !tell bigfoot547 Here is the code https://pastebin.com/CypbYxgV
10:36 ShadowBot IhrFussel: O.K.
10:38 IhrFussel By the way I code inside terminals and terminalk windows only have limited space, that's why I use no tabs
10:38 tenplus1 noooooooooooooooooooooooo, tabs essential
10:38 tenplus1 :P
10:38 IhrFussel Try to code something in nano with tabs
10:40 IhrFussel The REAL problem is copying code from nano since it only buffers the current text you see...if the line is longer than the screen it gets corrupted
10:41 tenplus1 how come you code in terminal dude ?
10:44 IhrFussel Cause I code directly on my dedi
10:45 tenplus1 dedi ?
10:45 IhrFussel Dedicated server
10:46 IhrFussel This way I can code at home and outside (ssh app)
10:46 tenplus1 heh, sounds like you are making things hard for yourself...
10:47 IhrFussel Nope, all my code is locally stored on the machine, no need to upload my coded files
10:47 IhrFussel I can access all my files from any device that supports ssh
10:48 Shara Also means you're not testing your code before adding to server
10:48 rdococ hehe
10:48 tenplus1 true... dangerous... also what if something breaks, hope you have backups
10:48 rdococ what if someone steals one of your ssh devices?
10:48 IhrFussel That is right Shara, I test my code live in production and usually am able to fix crashes fast
10:49 Shara Still means more disruption for the server.
10:49 Shara Players want a stable server that never crashes to begin with
10:50 IhrFussel I think my server runs extremely stable: The server has been online 99.7800 % of the time (1162.2374 / 1164.826 hours)
10:51 IhrFussel Measure since July 5
10:51 rdococ wow, it's only been offline for 2 hours?
10:51 rdococ out of 1200? O_O
10:51 IhrFussel Yes
10:51 * rdococ just exploded
10:52 tenplus1 lol
10:52 IhrFussel Each unexpected crash adds 15 secs to "not available"
10:52 Shara It's about a bit more than uptime.
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10:52 tenplus1 wb Jordach
10:53 Shara Whatever works for you works for you, but I don't expect my players to play in a test environment
10:53 IhrFussel I play ~ 10 hours per DAY on my server, I am very sure that I see when my server acts up
10:53 Shara And I need my tabs :P
10:54 * tenplus1 typically runs 3 instances on desktop to test mods under network conditions
10:54 Shara Yup, quite often the same here
10:55 Shara I keep a complete local copy of all mods used on a test world, and all mod changes get tested there first
10:55 rdococ IhrFussel: what's your server called?
10:55 IhrFussel My server isn't at home, it has a stable gigabit connection
10:56 Shara Mine's not at home either
10:56 rdococ . o O ( I wonder if any servers use 0.5.0-dev yet. )
10:57 IhrFussel The only issue could be lag which is why I added a /lag command now that tells players the AVERAGE lag instead of that stupid max_lag
10:57 IhrFussel !server ifs
10:57 ShadowBot IhrFussel: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
10:57 Shara Would be nice if you published that as a mod :)
10:57 rdococ that sounds like it should be a csm with .lag
10:58 IhrFussel No, CSM can't measure server lag correctly
10:58 rdococ ah.
10:58 IhrFussel Client lag is something else...server lag is when the server cannot respond to the clients fast enough
10:59 IhrFussel Or when the server cannot update itself fast enough (for example when you use WE on a large area)
10:59 rdococ I was thinking of compiling 0.4.17 instead.
10:59 tenplus1 scarey
11:00 IhrFussel !server IFS
11:00 ShadowBot IhrFussel: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
11:01 IhrFussel What's the command to list a server again?
11:01 IhrFussel !up IFS
11:01 ShadowBot IhrFussel: Resolving IFS failed: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
11:01 tenplus1 !up Xanadu
11:01 ShadowBot tenplus1: Resolving Xanadu failed: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
11:01 tenplus1 lol
11:02 rdococ !up RD-Creative
11:02 ShadowBot rdococ: Resolving RD-Creative failed: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
11:02 IhrFussel There is a command to tell the server and clients and ping etc
11:03 IhrFussel !uptime IFS
11:03 ShadowBot IhrFussel: uptime takes no arguments
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11:05 tenplus1 wb shara
11:05 tenplus1 hi celeron55
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11:06 IhrFussel Either I'm dumb or that command doesn't work in this channel
11:06 tenplus1 nice, Xanadu has been up for 54 hours :P
11:07 IhrFussel rdococ, anyways my server is called "IFS (IhrFussel's Server)"
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11:12 Shara Just watching how things move around on the server list. It's crazy.
11:13 tenplus1 yeah, up and down the list all day long :D
11:13 tenplus1 gotta remove the guest thing
11:13 Shara One moment DL has 20 players and has been up for 10 hours, but a server up for 1 hour with 11 players ranks higher. Then DL loses one player while the other stays the same, but suddenly DL ranks higher than it again??
11:14 tenplus1 yeah, ranking is shitty...
11:14 tenplus1 uptime, players, lag... yes... guests no
11:14 Shara RC seems to stay in the top 5 despite having less players than many others there, while DL is liek some weird yoyo.
11:14 Shara like*
11:15 IhrFussel I already opened an issue about it and paramat also said that it should be changed/improved..one sec
11:16 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/master-se​rver/issues/17#issuecomment-321168360
11:17 Shara Heh.. now RC finally has 20+ player but went down the list, which a little while ago it was in first with 14... really silly :)
11:17 IhrFussel I like the idea of shifting servers around
11:17 IhrFussel So that each active server has some "spotlight" time
11:18 Shara I don't
11:18 Shara You wnat minetesthosting servers with 4 players max and all default mods to get their time at the top?
11:18 Shara want*
11:19 tenplus1 how about sorting by uptime, lag and player average ?
11:21 IhrFussel Shara, almost all minetesthosting.com servers are at the very bottom, they don't even count as "active" right now
11:22 IhrFussel Mainly cause they only allow 4 players which means even IF such a server is full the score it gets will be low
11:22 Shara Fussel, that is an example only.
11:23 IhrFussel Shara, let me rephrase it: Active servers that meet certain requirements (player count, average count, uptime, lag) should be rotated so that each of them can have a healthy userbase
11:23 Shara Yes - but there have to be minimum requirements
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11:23 Shara paramat's suggestion doesn't specify any requirements
11:23 tenplus1 hi CWz
11:24 CWz Ello tenplus1
11:24 IhrFussel I didn't say we should agree with his post...but his general idea seems good
11:25 Shara I just think in terms of what new players are likely to experience
11:25 tenplus1 important sorting points about servers are 1. stability (uptime) 2. ping time (lag) and 3. players (average)
11:26 IhrFussel I don't know of any other game where servers get rotated, mostly it's just the usual E-PENIS
11:26 tenplus1 bb
11:26 tenplus1 brb
11:27 Shara It's not the end of the world to me if it doesn't change. I just think it's crazy :)
11:27 IhrFussel And I HATE whenm servers stay at the top JUST because they happen to have more players or a better score value ... there are SO MANY good servers in the list that are too low
11:28 IhrFussel They are too low because NOBODY scrolls down!
11:28 CWz +1000
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11:28 CWz I was thinking of a banishment stick mod to go with the protector_redo, i just need to see how to check for the owner and members and not depend on "is protected"
11:29 Shara Ohh, what would it do?
11:31 CWz allow the owner and the members of the protector to send away an intruder without fighting(in case pvp is disabled)
11:32 Raven262 hi IhrFussel, Shara
11:32 Shara How would it decide where to send them?
11:32 Shara Hi Raven262
11:33 CWz i was just thinking it would send them back to spawn.
11:33 Raven262 tenplus1, can frost trees grow outside of the frost biome?
11:33 Shara CWz: Just thinking about abuse
11:34 Shara If you are mining where I am, I could quickly drop a protector, hit you with it, then you're back at spawn and have a nice long walk again
11:34 Shara And maybe I just stole your mine :P
11:34 IhrFussel Shara, I don't plan to publish my avg lag code cause I don't think it looks professional enough ... it does the job and doesn't seem slow so I'm happy xP
11:35 CWz eh,i will let someone else figure out how to make that mod.
11:35 Shara Fussel, would you mind sharing anyway? Would be really useful
11:35 tenplus1 Raven262: I made ethereal saplings biome specific so they had to grow on it's own soil, but... you can use the built-in bonemeal or even bonemeal mod itself to fast-grow saplings on any dirt with any light level...
11:36 Shara I don't really care howw professional it "looks", since I can just tidy it up if I want to use it :)
11:36 IhrFussel Shara, sure I posted it on pastebin https://pastebin.com/CypbYxgV ... if you like tabs just add them xP
11:37 CWz tenplus1, would be possible to have the owner of a protector show up on hud
11:37 Shara Awesome thanks. Any specific license if I do work it into something?
11:37 CWz whne entering a protected area. so players don't stuck in rotation loop
11:37 tenplus1 I *could* add a globalstep feature to check every 1 second or so which area you are inside and show information, yes
11:38 CWz cool. some players complained about the lack of it.
11:39 Shara tenplus1: I'd like that too
11:40 Shara It's somethign from areas mod I really miss when using protectors
11:40 Shara something*
11:40 CWz is it still not a good idea to have protector mod with areas
11:40 CWz the landrash mod has it
11:40 tenplus1 only reason I havent added it is because I'd need to do a find in area search for closest protector and extract information per step... was just htinking of lagg on each player
11:41 Shara CWz: I'm not talking about using them together
11:41 Shara I do have both mods on DL, but areas mod use is limited to admins only for filling in problem gaps between protectors
11:42 Shara (for example: if I fixed grief in a place 10+ times already, then it needs something)
11:42 CWz i know, question was unrelated
11:43 Shara And until protectors mod allows some kind of general admin protector node that can be dropped anywhere, I'm kinda stuck
11:43 CWz Hmm worldedit
11:43 Shara How does WE connect?
11:45 tenplus1 we ?
11:45 Shara worldedit
11:46 Shara ALso sorry CWz, no question mark meant I didn't realise it was a question.. seemed like a statement to begin
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11:47 CWz placing a protector with worldedit, i did that to protect an unprotected gap in Bananaland spawn
11:47 tenplus1 hi thomas
11:47 Shara Hmmm
11:47 ThomasMonroe hi ten
11:47 CWz we need 6 more tenplus1s
11:48 Shara I will try that sometime, but I don't give WE out to most of the team anyway
11:48 Shara And I'm not sure what happens when you force protection to overlap...
11:48 tenplus1 if you place a protector using worldedit it wont work
11:48 tenplus1 it'll have no metadata for owner
11:49 CWz hmm seemed to work for me
11:49 Shara I'd like an admin protector... can place anywhere but doesn't prevent people who already placed protectors from building
11:50 tenplus1 too many checks to do that
11:50 Shara pity
11:50 tenplus1 if WE places protector then only admin can remove it
11:50 Shara special admin protector node would fix the biggest problem the mod has
11:51 tenplus1 gaps ?
11:51 Shara yup
11:51 tenplus1 that's up to the player to place them in such a way to cover the area needed
11:51 CWz true
11:51 Shara And then you get gaps between buildings in cities that no one can protect
11:52 tenplus1 the tree and food farms at spawn in Xanadu are done in such a way that players can take/replant but not damage surrounging
11:52 Shara That's pushing hassle onto players/admins for bad mod design, and really, you can't expect all players to work together to handle it perfectly
11:53 Shara I have several areas around DL spawn that get actively griefed over and over (or did until I added areas as well)
11:53 Shara Paths between buildings were gettng dug up so players could steal the materials and so on
11:53 CWz i think rnd has similar mod to protectors which fixes the gap issue by having the protectors be placed in a fixed grid
11:54 tenplus1 o.O bad mod design.... *ahem*
11:54 Shara CWz: problem then is it can interfere with building design as well
11:54 Shara tenplus1: I love the mod, or I wouldn't use it, but it's a real problem
11:55 tenplus1 yeah CWz, he uses map meta to write protector into upper node or something to handle map blocks
11:55 tenplus1 if I'm thinking of correct mod
11:56 tenplus1 protector redo is made to be easy to use, but does require some planning to cover/protect large areas... hence the protector tool that evenly spaces things out
11:56 CWz i believe this is the one rnd showed me: https://github.com/ac-minetest/basic_protect
11:56 Shara One single person can always plan... but when two players' building areas spread and meet up, you get a gap
11:57 Shara Then players want to connect things with roads... but no one can protect the gap
11:57 tenplus1 gaps can be covered easily with protector placement
11:58 tenplus1 if it's say a 4-wide area missed out then a specifically placed protector underground can cover that aera
11:58 Shara I've seen pletnty of situations where it is impossible
11:59 Shara plenty*
12:00 Shara If you have a 4x4 gap between different people's protections, there is often no way to place a protector where it wouldn't overlap with someone else's
12:00 CWz i think areas mod also seems to have protect block on ve's servers
12:02 tenplus1 doesnt krock have a simple protection mod that works using map blocks ?
12:02 tenplus1 my only quam with areas and the like is it has to save a list of protected areas which can be easily corrupted
12:03 Shara Same worry :(
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12:09 IhrFussel Shara, no license, it was really just a matter of 10 minutes to code it
12:10 tenplus1 hi caleb
12:10 CalebDavis hi ten
12:10 Shara okay. Chances of me publishing it are low, since it would probably go into my server specific mod if I use it, but I always like to ask :)
12:14 shivajiva my experience of placing protectors with WE shows they have no name so only protection_bypass privilege players can remove them
12:14 IhrFussel Haha :P but do you agree that >0.5 secs is critical? Or will you change it on your server?
12:14 tenplus1 hi shiva
12:14 shivajiva hello tenplus :)
12:15 Shara Fussel: haven't even looked at the code yet :P
12:16 shivajiva bet you add indentation xD
12:16 Shara :D
12:18 shivajiva no offence intended IhrFussel, it's just hard to read and check for errors
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12:20 tenplus1 o/ nrz
12:22 IhrFussel shivajiva, I know...one solution would be to set the font size to 8 px or something like that
12:22 IhrFussel I mean when opening/writing files in terminal
12:23 CWz new mob idea troll under bridges
12:23 tenplus1 heh, dmobs has trolls :P
12:24 CWz yay
12:24 tenplus1 and goblins could be uses for small bridges :D
12:24 shivajiva atom is a nice little editor that takes care of all the formatting for you, worth a look if you haven't decided on an editor yet
12:24 CWz do they spawn under bridges?
12:24 tenplus1 nah, gotta do that part yourself
12:25 shivajiva 'Who's that trip trapping over my brdge?!'
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12:26 tenplus1 hi fixer
12:27 Shara tenplus1: or "yodas" as my players insist on calling them :D
12:27 tenplus1 heh
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12:32 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
12:43 RobbieF hi tenplus1 how are you today?
12:43 tenplus1 tired but okie
12:43 tenplus1 you/
12:43 RobbieF :)
12:44 RobbieF I'm pretty well thanks. Not much to report  :)
12:45 RobbieF got a new "hard drive" (a PCIe M.2 1TB card) for the broadcast server last night... so that's cool.
12:45 tenplus1 wow, those are superfast as well
12:45 tenplus1 how fast to boot Os ?
12:45 RobbieF incredibly fast.
12:45 RobbieF Oh I won't put the OS on it
12:45 RobbieF it's for the ISO recordings
12:45 RobbieF 1900 MB/sec write.
12:45 tenplus1 eek, fast indeed...
12:46 tenplus1 my next net-top will have m2 I think :D
12:46 RobbieF read is 2600 MB (yes, that's a capital B)
12:46 RobbieF awesome
12:48 tenplus1 am thinking of a Protector Redo re-write with airlike protectors that are invisible and can be walked through making player use tool to view them for editing/removal
12:49 tenplus1 brb
12:50 RobbieF k
12:51 CWz tenplus1, plan on adding any of this forks features? https://github.com/micheal65536/protector
12:51 CWz ?
12:52 * CWz always forgets ? at the end of questions
12:52 CWz ello RobbieF
12:53 RobbieF Hi CWz how are you?
12:53 CWz I am fine, and you?
12:53 RobbieF doing very well thanks.
12:53 RobbieF I guess you heard about my new "hard drive" - so that's really kinda cool.
12:53 RobbieF hehe
12:53 RobbieF "What's new?" "M.2" - shall be my reply.
12:59 Wayward_One hi all :)
12:59 tenplus1 CWz: many changes in that fork, am surprised author never added pull requests to the original with features
12:59 tenplus1 hi wayward
13:00 CWz Wayward_One, hello my favourite afk dude
13:01 Wayward_One lol hello CWz :)
13:03 Shara Hmm, don't think I like the idea of airlike protectors. Too many people integrated them into builds on my server already.
13:03 Shara Lots of holes in floors.
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13:29 tenplus1 hi sniper
13:32 IhrFussel What the heck @ my mobile network provider...I use a pre-paid SIM and charged enough money to activate my flatrate (meaning call as much as you like) and they just won't activate it
13:33 IhrFussel I'm stuck now...if I call anybody before they activated it I won't have enough on my account anymore
13:34 tenplus1 that sucks
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13:34 tenplus1 hi lisac
13:36 IhrFussel In my customer portal it says "We are activating your option in all our systems." how can this take several hours!?
13:36 tenplus1 are they porting over an old number?
13:36 IhrFussel No they just need to extend my "call volume"
13:36 tenplus1 should never take that long
13:38 IhrFussel I'm guessing they are having technical issues...but I see no posts on Facebook or Twitter about it ... and if I call the customer service I have the same problem (losing money I need for the option)
13:39 tenplus1 only option is to wait
13:39 IhrFussel I could only hope for some credit they give me back
13:40 IhrFussel I have important calls to make, this is so stupid
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13:41 tenplus1 hi Grandolf
13:41 Grandolf ty
13:41 Grandolf and hi
13:45 rdococ IhrFussel seems to have gone afk ingame
13:45 Raven262 Hi Grandolf
13:45 IhrFussel I was AFK cause of ^ that issue
13:46 Grandolf hi raven
13:48 lisac Hi tenplus1
13:48 lisac Just got kicked from Xanadu :(
13:49 tenplus1 server crash?
13:50 Raven262 Sweeeeearing
13:50 Raven262 As usual
13:50 Raven262 Nothing to see here.
13:50 tenplus1 hehehe
13:51 lisac I just said, 'I'm fucking lisac not lisa'
13:51 lisac can you add that to the filter? :)
13:51 tenplus1 yup, swearing filter got you
13:54 benrob0329 The more you use strong language, the weaker it becomes for when you actually need to make a point :-)
13:54 tenplus1 hi benrob
13:55 Raven262 Indeed.
13:55 benrob0329 Hi ten
13:55 benrob0329 Hi raven
13:55 Raven262 Hi benrob0329
13:56 Shara Getting overrun by app users today :(
13:57 benrob0329 How much do you wanna bet they all think they're using "Minecraft"
13:58 Shara Given the most intelligent message the current crowd produced was "rkddokxkdkxk!dmdmfmf"... do you think they can even type "Minecraft"?
13:59 lisac Shara, I'm hoping 0.5 changes will throw off some of the current fake clients
13:59 benrob0329 XD
13:59 tenplus1 +1000
13:59 Shara I often get them, but this level of spam is just weird
13:59 benrob0329 that's certainly interesting
13:59 lisac maybe do it like Valve does it: allow players to report chat messages
14:00 lisac after a few reports, player gets muted
14:00 Shara lisac: My admins are hitting ban on the spammers before they do much anyway
14:00 lisac :D
14:00 Shara I don't believe in waiting for reports.
14:01 lisac yeah many players don't either
14:01 lisac and then they start reporting for bad gameplay or disagreements
14:01 lisac but sometimes there are those sad players like the viper me and Raven262 had our last round of DOTA
14:02 Shara I trust my team, I don't trust random players I don't know
14:02 lisac on 4 carries he last picks another carry
14:02 lisac Shara, the collective intelligence of a mob is equal to the intelligence of the stupidest member.
14:02 IhrFussel Shara, but your team was once a bunch of random players too
14:02 lisac ex. 2000 people individually wouldn't start a fight with police
14:02 Shara Yup, but I didn't trust them then :P
14:02 lisac but if just one of them would, he will
14:02 nore lisac: divided by the number of numbers
14:03 lisac maybe lol
14:03 nore *member
14:03 nore s
14:03 Shara Trust is earned.
14:03 Calinou I read "Trout is earned."
14:03 Calinou well, if you get slapped by one, yes…
14:03 Calinou :P
14:03 Calinou hi, btw :)
14:03 Raven262 <nore> lisac: divided by the number of number
14:03 Raven262 saving this
14:03 Shara Well, I'm sure trout must be earned as well, if that's what you want :D
14:03 Raven262 Hi Calinou
14:03 nore Raven262: :(
14:04 Raven262 Okay, not really :P
14:04 nore ^^
14:04 Shara Now I wan t a /trout command as an alternative to kicking people
14:05 lisac tenplus1, Can I use this script of mine on your server? https://pastebin.com/M8ajKUQt
14:05 * lisac is now playing Crimson II (Crimson II) by Edge Of Sanity [10:20/43:00] [Playing] [played 3 times] [Death Metal]
14:05 tenplus1 no
14:05 Raven262 "Death Metal"
14:05 tenplus1 we dont allow csm mods
14:05 Raven262 "Music Genre"
14:05 lisac :( It isn't CSM
14:06 lisac it's just plain bash
14:06 tenplus1 why use it on server ?#
14:06 lisac but okay :( I'll live without it
14:06 Raven262 That doesn't even look lie a csm Oo
14:06 tenplus1 assumed it was csm to show current song playing in chat :P
14:07 lisac it just uses xdotool to input it into text boxes. :D
14:07 lisac used it for warsow
14:07 lisac last year
14:08 rdococ IhrFussel: finished floor
14:26 * lisac is now playing Crimson II (Crimson II) by Edge Of Sanity [31:42/43:00] [Playing] [played 3 times] [Death Metal]
14:27 Raven262 tenplus1, a question: Why would i want to eat anything except corn?
14:27 Raven262 (Xanadu)
14:28 * CWz Thinks it's a good idea to make the mobs_redo rats shoot lasers
14:29 tenplus1 lol
14:29 lisac no no no, CWz. We just need tamable dungeon masters
14:29 lisac then we get fancy mining machines
14:29 tenplus1 cause corn doesn't break down as easily in the digestive track and you end up pooping it sometimes :P
14:30 * Raven262 continues his corn diet.
14:30 tenplus1 :P
14:32 tenplus1 michael65535 has added some good features, but in the process over-complicated the code a tad...
14:32 tenplus1 have managed to backtrack and slip in a few of his features
14:33 tenplus1 he has also broken protection_bypass for many things
14:38 * lisac is now playing April Ethereal (My Arms, Your Hearse) by Opeth [0:04/8:41] [Playing] [played 8 times] [Metal]
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14:38 tenplus1 wb Megaf
14:38 Megaf Hi tenplus1
14:38 Megaf beat ya
14:38 Megaf [15:38:16] * ChanServ gives voice to Megaf
14:38 Megaf [15:38:20] <Megaf> Hi tenplus1
14:38 Megaf [15:38:20] <tenplus1> wb Megaf
14:39 Megaf Thanks :)
14:39 tenplus1 (15:38:22) tenplus1: wb Megaf
14:39 tenplus1 (15:38:45) Megaf: Hi tenplus1
14:39 Megaf :S
14:40 tenplus1 ehehe
14:40 Megaf I think you see me online even before my list of channels is loaded
14:40 tenplus1 maybe, how many channels are you in now ?
14:40 Megaf [15:40:30] * [Megaf] (~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf): Megaf
14:40 Megaf [15:40:30] * [Megaf] #RHEL-Br #otter-browser #opensuse-pt @#minetest-offtopic #Minetest-Br @#Haiku-Br ##linuxmint #hexchat #irssi #weechat #quassel #etlegacy #blender #mpv #xfce #illumos #opensolaris #openindiana ##unix #rhel #centos #fedora #kicad ##cooking #android-dev #android #minetest #space #pilots #riscos #raspbian #debian #minetest-dev +##ventures #flightgear ##hardware ##windows #microsoft #Wireless-Br #suse #raspberrypi #photogeeks
14:40 Megaf #owncloud #openmediavault #osgrid
14:40 Megaf [15:40:30] * [Megaf] #opensim #kodi #openmandriva-cooker #OpenMandriva-Br #openmandriva #openelec #odroid #nextcloud #mautic #mageia #hydroponics #haiku #gogs #freebsd #beos #archlinux-br #archlinux ##photography ##macosx ##iphone ##English ##electronics +##aviation ##apple #MegafServer #Megaf #Minetest-Chat +#minetest-hub
14:40 Megaf That's just on Freenode
14:41 Megaf I am on four netowrks
14:41 * Fuchs ponders telling Megaf about our channel naming policy
14:41 * Fuchs decides not to and goes on with life  *nods*
14:41 Megaf Fuchs, You are a wise man
14:41 Fuchs thank you, I guess :p
14:42 tenplus1 soooo many channels, whyyyy ?
14:42 Megaf ah, it's useful and practical
14:42 Megaf sometimes I just click in one at random and find really nice stuff
14:43 Megaf in some I have friends, and Im there for them, in other they added me to the access list, so Im there too
14:43 Megaf others I actually really like whats the channel is about
14:43 Megaf and so on
14:43 tenplus1 heh
14:44 * tenplus1 is in 1 channel :P
14:44 Megaf #BeOS is one of my favourites, there's always only me and 2 more people there.
14:44 tenplus1 BeOS was a nice Os at the time :) the remake DM isn't to shabby either :D
14:44 Megaf I had installed BeOS 5 on my Athlon XP 2800+ back in the day
14:45 Megaf I have a livecd of
14:45 Megaf how is called? Zeta?
14:45 Megaf And I'm kinda part of Haiku community too, was the first guy to install Haiku in a real hardware
14:45 Megaf back in the day
14:47 Megaf "Happy Anniversary with WordPress.com!
14:47 Megaf You registered on WordPress.com 9 years ago.
14:47 Megaf Thanks for flying with us. Keep up the good blogging."
14:47 Megaf oh
14:48 Megaf Thanks wordpress..
14:48 tenplus1 I use to have an AMD Athlon XP 2400+  was a great processor at the time :D
14:50 Megaf My history goes like, AMD K6-2 266MHz, AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 2,083MHz, AMD Duron 830MHz, AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE 3,2GHz,
14:50 Megaf that's only for desktops
14:51 tenplus1 you're currently using Phenom 2 ?
14:51 Megaf nope, that's in my home in Brazil, here in Ireland I have just a couple of laptops
14:52 Megaf currently I'm using an AMD E1 @ 1,3 GHz
14:52 Megaf E1-6010 @ 1,3 GHz
14:53 tenplus1 nice... am using acer aspire revo net-top @ 1.8 intel atom (dual core HT)
14:53 * Shara is using Phenom 2
14:53 tenplus1 :PP
14:53 Megaf I had two Intel laptops, Asus EeePC 701 with Intel Celeron @ 650 MHz, or something like that and an 13" Apple MacBook Pro 7,1 (mid 2010) Intel Core2Duo at 2,4 Ghz
14:54 Shara But 980
14:55 Megaf had others, like Compaq Contura Aero with 486 at 25 or 33 MHz, Toshiba Satellite 135 CDT? Maybe? Pentium 1 no MMX 133 MHz, a Hitachi with a Celeron or Pentium II at 300 MHz I think
14:55 Megaf Toshiba 755 CDT maybe
14:56 Megaf anyway, my desktops is what matters
14:56 tenplus1 whatever you use most :P
14:56 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated, code tidy and new check, but no new features...
14:57 Megaf oh, I had a 386 laptop too, with a greyscale LCD, that was nice one
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14:57 tenplus1 wb lisac
14:57 tenplus1 did it have a rollerball ?
14:57 Megaf the 386 and 486 laptos yes
14:57 Megaf the Toshiba had a trackpoint
14:57 tenplus1 ehehe, used all the old lappy's and most had rollerball... I liked the wee rubber nub mouse tho
14:58 Megaf trackpoint is my favourite input device
14:58 lisac ty tp1
14:58 Megaf doesnt take any space, easy to use and super precise
14:58 tenplus1 exactly :P wish more keyboard has them build in as standard
14:59 Megaf I hope someday somebody donates a ThinkPad to me
14:59 Megaf no need for optical disk or harddrive
14:59 Megaf and I pay shipping :P
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15:27 rdococ Yay!
15:28 tenplus1 ?
15:28 Megaf YAAyyayyYY!
15:28 tenplus1 lol
15:28 Fuchs Grandolf: minor sidenote, you might want to set up SASL
15:28 Fuchs https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl  this thing  (you frequently reconnect unidentified)
15:28 Megaf [16:28:45] * [Megaf] is using a secure connection
15:29 Megaf huh huh huh
15:29 Fuchs SASL, not SSL
15:29 Megaf I am using SASL tho
15:29 Fuchs (even though I recommend SSL along)
15:29 Megaf [15:38:07] * Authenticating via SASL as Megaf (PLAIN)
15:29 Megaf [15:38:07] * You are now logged in as Megaf.
15:29 Megaf Fuchs, happy?
15:30 Fuchs very!
15:30 Megaf SASL on SSL
15:34 Calinou SASL isn't hard to use nowadays
15:35 Grandolf joined #minetest-hub
15:36 Megaf in Hexchat is even transparent
15:37 Grandolf ty
15:37 tenplus1 wb
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15:39 tenplus1 hi xtreme
15:39 XtremeHacker 'Eh TP1
15:39 * Megaf roars and lowers its ears
15:40 * Megaf sniffs
15:40 * Megaf looks at Shara
15:40 XtremeHacker I should probably change my IRC nick to my new regular nick
15:40 * Megaf purrs
15:40 * tenplus1 gives Megaf a donut
15:40 * Megaf eats
15:41 * MrXtreme Gives Megaf a cat toy
15:41 Megaf pleeze dont hak me MrXtreme
15:41 MrXtreme xD
15:41 Megaf MrXtreme, I'm actually a tiger... But that's ok
15:42 MrXtreme Not a bouncy tigger?
15:42 MrXtreme :P
15:42 MrXtreme #ChildhoodMemories
15:42 tenplus1 :P
15:42 Megaf it has to be a big toy
15:42 * tenplus1 rolls a car tyre around
15:42 Megaf bouncy tiger? from the anime?
15:42 MrXtreme No, tigger, from Winnie the pooh. xD
15:42 Megaf that's what I mean
15:43 Megaf Oh boy, memories
15:43 MrXtreme IKR?
15:43 Grandolf lol
15:43 MrXtreme I hate all these reboots of the old cartoons, they suck, we must burn them..
15:43 MrXtreme Anyone have a spare dungeon master or twenty?
15:43 tenplus1 +1000... the new teen titans go is crappy
15:44 MrXtreme All my childhood cartoons have gotten inferior reboots, Winnie the pooh, Thomas the tank engine (no wonder I love trains), and Bob the builder
15:44 MrXtreme I wonder if they will dare touch the berenstain bears...
15:44 Megaf 5 Years of Minetest, 9 years of blogging, 11 years of Freenode, 14 years of Linux as main OS
15:45 tenplus1 *shudders* at thundercats and he-man reboot
15:45 Megaf 9 years of blogging in wordpress, had blogspot before that
15:45 Megaf thundercats!
15:45 Megaf hoooooooooooooh!
15:46 MrXtreme For me, 1 year of MT, 2 years of MC, 1 year of Linux as a main OS, and 9 years as a Windows user
15:46 Grandolf most things cant really have reruns, bc the voices all change, old characters die, and its just not the same
15:46 Megaf well, I started windows with my first computer in 1998, windows 98...
15:46 Grandolf MrXtreme how does the MC community compare to MT?
15:47 tenplus1 my first proper Os was AmigaOs :)
15:47 Megaf That's a good one
15:48 MrXtreme Grandolf I never really touched the MC community, I do now, and I'll say while they have a lot more people, which means you have more greifers, 6 y/o, etc, the MT community does have some rather "odd" characters
15:48 Megaf The first OS I had contact with was just a BASIC interpreter
15:48 Megaf and then some Cobol
15:48 tenplus1 vic-20 ? c16 ? c64 ?
15:48 Megaf in Brazil MSX computers were popular in the early 90s
15:48 Megaf late 80s
15:48 Megaf and we had lots of Apple II clones
15:49 tenplus1 apple use to be good, not anymore
15:49 Grandolf all gud things must end
15:49 MrXtreme I started on computers when I was about 5, with Win 98 in 2007-ish, then started Win XP in about 2008-09, and used that until I got a proper computer, that didn't have video cards stuck on DX8 when I was 10, in 2012, and found MT last year, via octacian
15:49 Grandolf and be replaced by cheap replacements
15:50 MrXtreme Apple is over-priced, and under-specced IMHO
15:50 * tenplus1 started with AT systems on the pc side and a Commodore 16/plus4 for programming
15:50 MrXtreme But if the OS works for you, use it, if you are willing to pay the extra $
15:51 rdococ Apple is shit(TM)(C)
15:52 tenplus1 and Winblows is going the same way
15:52 MrXtreme People say the same about Linux, and Windows, and Android, and iOS, etc...
15:52 rdococ Winblows 11.69(TM)(C)(R)
15:52 MrXtreme Nothing is perfect
15:52 MrXtreme Fanboys are what sucks
15:52 rdococ out of all of those, Linux is certainly one of the more innocent
15:52 MrXtreme People who think no matter what, their OS is the best
15:53 tenplus1 whatever works for them, you are right
15:53 * tenplus1 has settled on Lubuntu 17.10 for now...
15:53 rdococ what if they tried every OS, and then picked the one they like most?
15:53 Calinou Linux fanboys grew on my mind lately…
15:53 tenplus1 hi Cal
15:53 Calinou it's fine to like Linux, or even advocate for it (as long as you're not too insisting)
15:53 MrXtreme Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, but it isn't as user friendly as Windows, close with some distros (I know about Android :P).
15:53 Calinou it gets tiring when you start saying Windows and macOS are crap
15:53 tenplus1 true...   have used all windows versions and only liked XP... after that it got weird
15:54 MrXtreme I define a fanboy as asomeone who blinbdly thinks their OS/Device/etc is the only thing someone should ever use
15:54 tenplus1 macOs is quite limiting at times... even tho it's the artist standard of sorts
15:54 MrXtreme ^
15:54 rdococ MrXtreme: Note that there are people who do think that, but aren't blind about it - they legitimately have good reasoning for their beliefs.
15:55 rdococ or, heck, at least reasonable reasoning
15:55 Megaf my main OSes go like this Windows 98, MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11 For Workgroups, Windows 98 SE, Windows XP and it's SPs, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition, Mandriva Linux, Various (Arch, Mint, Fedora and so on), Debian
15:55 tenplus1 QNX was pretty good, fast and low memory footprint but no-one really writes much for it... gotta self-compile
15:55 Megaf since 2011 using Debian
15:55 MrXtreme I'm rocking Arch ATM, and my families computers are all on Xubuntu
15:56 tenplus1 heh, xubuntu is easy to maintain for family members or beginners
15:56 MrXtreme Basically depends on what they use it for, they mostly use the web, so it was a smooth transition
15:57 tenplus1 I setup Xubuntu on Mom's laptop to look.feel like Xp... never noticed the diff... aha
15:57 MrXtreme xD
15:57 MrXtreme I like XFCE, not to flashy, but doesn't feel "old"
15:57 MrXtreme *too
15:58 Megaf I'm on MATE right now
15:58 Megaf but my desktop change all the time
15:58 tenplus1 Mate was nice, simplistic... gnome 2 look & feel
15:58 Megaf it is Gnome 2 ;)
15:59 tenplus1 gnome 3 was kinda fat although am eager to see what the new Ubuntu is like when the transition is complete
15:59 MrXtreme I'm trying to make my first mod, a tech mod that uses the enviroment to have most tech funtions, i.e. the better furnace runs off of lava placed around it
15:59 MrXtreme Octacian really likes Unity, I never really liked it myself
15:59 tenplus1 was easy to use :)
16:01 Calinou I remember the Great Desktop Wars of 2011-2013
16:01 Calinou thanks Unity :P
16:01 tenplus1 ahaha
16:01 MrXtreme I'm thinking of switching my Debian server over to Ubuntu server, been putting it off because I'll have to backup a whole bunch of things
16:01 rdococ what would be cool is a potion api
16:02 shivajiva I'm a fan of KDE
16:02 MrXtreme I'm rooting for dimensions myself @rdococ
16:02 tenplus1 kde was really good, I like the add-on download.selection it has to make things easy... lots of eye candy and features :D
16:02 MrXtreme KDE Plasma is nice, I really like it, just couldn't get it setup nice on Arch. :\
16:02 MrXtreme I've heard Neon is nice, never tried it though
16:03 tenplus1 lxQt is coming along nicely also, but still a fan of LXDE until then
16:03 Calinou KDE is the better desktop right now, IMO
16:03 Calinou the settings are "too much" sometimes, though
16:03 tenplus1 kinda like Bodhi... sooooo many settings :D
16:03 Megaf KDE is crash happy
16:03 shivajiva I switch a lot of it off but there is something about the feel that satisfies my requirements
16:03 Grandolf rdococ you mean like in LOTTpotions, or playereffects?
16:03 shivajiva no crashes here
16:04 MrXtreme Player effects would be pretty nice too TBH
16:04 shivajiva had more crashes with cinnamon than KDE
16:04 Grandolf there is a playereffects mod tho
16:04 tenplus1 player monoids also
16:04 tenplus1 the engine needs a base for player effects and the like...
16:04 rdococ The idea is that you would have potions with various effects, and mods could register new potions with a property table.
16:05 Grandolf hmmm might be able to use lottpotions 2 do that
16:05 Grandolf not sure tho
16:05 rdococ E.G. {Healing = -1, Regeneration = 1, Gravity = 0.5} would damage you at first, and then enable you to regenerate. it would also halve your gravity.
16:06 MrXtreme I had a neat idea for interactive NPCs, if you (via chat) said certain words, and the NPC was within a certain amount blocks of you, it would PM back a response, i.e. "if you said "Hi", it would say "hello to you too"
16:06 MrXtreme Lag could be a problem though...
16:07 rdococ hm.
16:07 rdococ with the texture string thing, if you want to apply a texture on top of a colorized texture, waht do you do?
16:07 Grandolf MrXtreme i have a mod that lets you rightclick on an npc and have a conversation
16:08 MrXtreme Grandolf: Yeah, I was just thinking on the lines of making the NPC's feel more "alive"
16:10 Megaf Grandolf, thats interesting
16:10 Grandolf i used the wiki mod
16:10 Grandolf the npcs (on_rightclick) bring up a chosen page of the wiki
16:11 Grandolf you can add buttons and change the wiki page to make the conversation move along
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16:21 rdococ don't players have metadata?
16:21 rdococ I want to store what potion effects they have, and for what duration they've had them.
16:22 IhrFussel rdococ, player:set_attribute() player:get_attribute() (0.4.16+)
16:22 tenplus1 we just need a way for all mods that affect player physics to work together
16:23 IhrFussel That's how my server stores quest info
16:23 Grandolf IhrFussel what server is that?
16:23 IhrFussel IFS
16:34 rdococ My potions mod will have a "potion" attribute per player that holds a serialized table that maps each effect name to the server time at which the effect was given. If one drinks two of the same potions, the time will be reset.
16:34 tenplus1 will it take into effect 3d_armor mod and player effects per armor ?
16:34 rdococ Not at the moment.
16:35 rdococ (Potion damage shouldn't even affect armor, unless your armor is internal.)
16:35 tenplus1 if things like potion increase player speed it has to take into effect armor speed also...
16:35 rdococ Ah.
16:35 rdococ Well, when the effect begins the player speed is multiplied by a factor. When it ends, the speed is divided.
16:36 IhrFussel Grandolf, you have to stay on that island until you reach level 10
16:37 rdococ And believe me, level 10 happens /fast/ if you play.
16:38 Grandolf IK
16:38 Grandolf i like the levels, can i get a copy of the _game?
16:39 IhrFussel Yes...I actually only implemented that island so that 1. no bots can interrupt the normal gameplay cause they will never reach level 10 ... 2. It prevents newbies from digging random holes on the map
16:40 IhrFussel It is no subgame, I edited the files manually ... it is actually almost impossible to have a level system as a standalone mod but still integrate it into many other mods
16:41 IhrFussel For example: You get EXP from monsters but the level code also needs code from the monsters code...they cannot depend on each other (MT disallows this)
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16:41 Grandolf can you make a zip of the mods you used?
16:41 tenplus1 hi paramat
16:42 IhrFussel I cannot do a zip of all my 160 mods o__o ... like I said I also modified builtin and MTG for the entire system to work
16:43 Grandolf yikes
16:44 IhrFussel Grandolf, I only need the code for my personal server...I never planned to publish the way my server works, I want it to be as unique as possible
16:45 tenplus1 I hear ya :P
16:45 Shara Pretty sure most long term servers start customising things. :)
16:45 rdococ heh
16:45 Grandolf i used the expirience mod, and made mobs drop the xp
16:46 tenplus1 I override many of the default abm's
16:46 IhrFussel I DO share certain code snippets or (like with the average lag mod) mod code that could be useful for others too...but the way my quest system works together with my level system and my shop system works together with location system and my punishment system works together with other commands/features....there is absolutely no way to make it a simgle package
16:47 IhrFussel single*
16:48 IhrFussel Plus my server requires a website it connects to + a bot in Bash that connects website<->game
16:48 Grandolf yea, i wouldnt use everything from it, some of the textures and sounds r nice
16:49 Grandolf and the leveling sytstem
16:49 Grandolf well
16:49 Grandolf if it was possible
16:49 Grandolf :P
16:49 IhrFussel I recommend you to read the forum topic of my server...there you can see the change log...all you see there was only changed since May but my server exists for over a year now
16:51 rdococ Yay.
16:52 IhrFussel I don't use any stock exp mod that exists...I wrote it myself
16:53 IhrFussel And that's why it requires the Bash bot too
16:53 Grandolf yea, i useually use other mods as templates
16:58 rdococ Is there a way to get_physics_override?
16:58 tenplus1 player:get_physics_override()
16:58 rdococ it isn't in the dev wiki
16:59 rdococ lemme check lua_api.txt
16:59 tenplus1 wiki is prolly out of date
16:59 rdococ s/prolly/definitely
17:00 IhrFussel Grandolf, A level system is really easy now with extended player attributes...back when I created the level system that wasn't a thing yet so I use files to store the EXP ... all you really need is player:get_attribute("exp:exp") then you add whatever EXP the player received and player:set_attribute("exp:exp",newexp) ... now you simply add EXP for certain callbacks like on_dignode() on_craft() etc
17:01 rdococ it has to include the mod name?
17:01 IhrFussel I do it like that to prevent conflicts
17:02 Grandolf use :exp:exp then :P
17:02 rdococ ah
17:03 rdococ so I can now create and suggest a mod to be installed on the server, and then... rdococ:set_attribute("exp:exp", math.huge) :P
17:03 rdococ jk
17:03 IhrFussel For the level definition you simply crate a function that looks kinda like this: if exp > 100 then level = 2 end if exp > 300 then level = 3 end etc etc... then you compare the old level to the new level and if it's higher BAM level up
17:04 rdococ ha ha, you don't use a table lookup :P
17:04 rdococ it'd be better to have a table which maps level to exp required
17:04 rdococ {0, 100, 300, etc.}
17:04 Grandolf youve got unknowns at -3488,4.5,-2843 IhrFussel, they are from the castle mod
17:05 rdococ and then, if exp > lookup[level] then level = level + 1 end
17:05 rdococ or if you want to make sure no level gets skipped, "while exp > lookup[level] then level = level + 1 end"
17:05 IhrFussel Yes I know cause I updated that mod sometime in the past and it changed some names
17:05 Grandolf there are quite a few in the area
17:05 Grandolf ok
17:05 Grandolf hm
17:05 rdococ IhrFussel: I have one word for nodes like that: register_alias
17:06 Grandolf isnt it possible to do something like oldmod:name=newmod:name ?
17:06 Grandolf yes
17:07 IhrFussel With 160 mods on your server you CANNOT manage all of them ... plus I also work on non-mod code and I work on mod ideas I didn't finish yet
17:07 Grandolf thats what moderators r 4 :)
17:07 Grandolf :P
17:07 IhrFussel Moderators only help ingame
17:08 Grandolf not always
17:08 IhrFussel I am the only person with access to the code
17:08 * tenplus1 accesses the code.... mwhehehehe
17:08 Grandolf its possible to set up a live file that is able to be managed from several pc's with sshfs i think
17:09 IhrFussel I don't want others to edit my files...I am a bit egoistic in that case, but it also makes managing easier when I exactly know what I did
17:16 rdococ ayYA
17:16 Grandolf whats your server irc?
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17:29 tenplus1 hi twoelk
17:29 twoelk o/
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17:51 Krock hi tenplus1
17:51 Krock NINJA'D
17:51 tenplus1 ehehe, hi Krock, how's thigns
17:52 Krock hehe.. just popping in randomly ;)
17:52 tenplus1 lol
17:52 tenplus1 so many pulls in last few days -dev builds
17:53 Krock indeed, nerzhul did much cleanup work
17:54 tenplus1 am eager for 0.5.0 release :D
17:55 nerzhul yeah
17:58 tenplus1 I dare say many server owners may force player updates to that version
18:01 nerzhul no don't do this
18:01 tenplus1 wut ?
18:10 xerox123 how long are we expecting until 0.5.0?
18:10 IhrFussel tenplus1, update regarding my mobile network provider: There was a tech problem and they gave me credit back now and activated my tariff
18:10 tenplus1 glad to hear...  all working now ?
18:11 IhrFussel They told me to wait another hour before I use it...just to be safe
18:13 tenplus1 the countdown begins :D
18:15 IhrFussel They said I waited a little too long...usually you have 48 hours to recharge your account and extend the tariff BUT when the 48 hours are over you get a text message about it...I recharged RIGHT before the text message was sent they told me so the system was confused
18:24 nerzhul xerox123, as long as xerox printer will become the first printer vendor
18:24 * tenplus1 has HP :P heh
18:24 paramat 0.5.0 is intended for late december
18:25 tenplus1 that's ok, server will beupdated then as will mods
18:29 tenplus1 would be a good way to get servers/clients to a good half way point for compatibility
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18:37 * lisac is now playing Time Stands Still (Nightfall in Middle Earth) by Blind Guardian [0:04/4:53] [Playing] [played 2 times] [Power Metal]
18:37 lisac greetings, tenplus1.
18:37 lisac i'm back.
18:38 tenplus1 wb lisac
18:38 lisac tenplus1, Have I shown you my player levels mod?
18:39 tenplus1 ooh, what's that do ?
18:39 lisac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S6Fvv7dsg
18:39 lisac it isn't complete yet
18:39 tenplus1 le click
18:39 lisac but basically, you get one of those points per level
18:39 lisac to place into STR, AGI, INT
18:39 lisac INT players get more ores per one dug
18:39 lisac STR get more HP(WIP) and can wear better armor(WIP) and tools(WIP)
18:39 garywhite hello
18:40 tenplus1 hi gary
18:40 lisac aaand AGI gives more movespeed and jump height
18:40 tenplus1 looks interesting lisac :)
18:40 lisac Hi garywhite
18:40 lisac you get XP for killing mobs and digging ores
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18:41 tenplus1 hi thomas
18:41 lisac Hey Thomas-S
18:41 lisac and ThomasMonroe
18:41 ThomasMonroe hi
18:41 ThomasMonroe hi lisac
18:42 * lisac pretends hailing Thomas-S was intentional
18:42 lisac Thomas-S, I was in your guild on OC's LoTT
18:42 lisac it was fun
18:42 * lisac is now playing The Soulforged (Live) by Blind Guardian [0:16/6:03] [Playing] [played 1 times] [Power Metal]
18:43 Grandolf i was king of elves there... was thomas men?
18:44 Grandolf lisac does your mod use experience?
18:44 Grandolf *expierence mod
18:45 lisac Grandolf, not yet.
18:45 lisac Won't use any mods.
18:45 lisac It will all be new.
18:47 Grandolf cool
18:47 Grandolf will it have classes 2, or just levels?
18:50 Grandolf lisac im intrested in helping you, i need a mod like that for my server :P
18:50 lisac Grandolf, classes will be a separate mod. I will make a git repo
18:50 lisac feel free to make PRs and ask for features
18:50 lisac or implement your features. :D
18:50 lisac give me a moment. I'm writing a letter to myself.
18:51 lisac https://www.futureme.org/
18:55 Calinou "The year of Linux desktop will happen in 2038"
18:55 tenplus1 lol
18:55 lisac well great. I hope my future self won't just delete the letter not even wanting to read it
18:56 lisac he probably won't.
18:56 lisac I hope
18:59 lisac Grandolf, https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-levels
18:59 lisac there are some of the Raven262's unfinished textures there
19:12 Grandolf ty lisac
19:13 lisac np, thanks for your interest in it. Makes me motivated to actually continue working on it
19:13 tenplus1 nite all
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19:13 lisac I'm going to rewrite a part of it, though
19:13 lisac namely add getters and setters for attributes
19:14 Grandolf kk
19:15 Fixer http://gpuopen.com/archive/gpu-perfstudio/ interesting
19:16 lisac ctrl+F "Linux"
19:16 lisac well now it IS interesting.
19:17 paramat lisac please could you disable your auto-sending of music tracks? it's unnecessary spam and is beginning to get irritating :]
19:17 lisac okay, sorry paramat and others :(
19:18 paramat thanks :]
19:18 Grandolf lel
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19:44 Shara Hi unk :)
19:44 unk hi Shara
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19:57 rdococ IhrFussel: on IFS, what can I use in /pets?
20:00 IhrFussel Almost all animals, if it doesn't exist/isn't allowed it will give an error
20:00 IhrFussel Try npc
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21:45 Fixer *,,,,,,*
21:46 Grandolf \------/
21:46 Grandolf hm
21:47 Grandolf *        *
21:47 Grandolf /------\
21:47 Grandolf ,,,,,,
21:47 Grandolf \------/
22:04 Grandolf + instead of , would look nicer... um or better
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22:50 Megaf *        *
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22:50 Megaf ops
22:50 Megaf
22:50 Megaf
22:50 Megaf
22:51 Megaf *        *
22:51 Megaf /------\
22:51 Megaf ++++++
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22:51 Megaf
22:51 Megaf *        *
22:51 Megaf \------/
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22:51 Megaf I give up
22:52 Megaf I mean, I dont, but Im flooding the channel
22:52 bigfoot547 OOhh
22:52 bigfoot547 you should lose voice
22:52 bigfoot547 Looks like someone typed the wrong nick...
22:56 Megaf oh, i have 11 years of Freenode, not 9
23:01 bigfoot547 ???
23:22 Calinou help, I broke the speed of light
23:22 Calinou https://lut.im/BC65VF7QC1/7FWqJ4jesRhtdJvx.png
23:23 Calinou I had to do this to confirm my result, since it's suspiciously fast: https://lut.im/31WKxZMSgD/MJ3Edm4vbMc0qg9I.png
23:23 Calinou I passed it on the first try: https://lut.im/I2bTu8yQH4/fSsrPty0fWulkMnR.png
23:34 lisac Calinou, great, now you can communicate with your team without a mic and not get raped by spies
23:34 lisac :D
23:34 lisac I'm going to sleep
23:34 lisac cya tomorrow
23:35 Calinou :p
23:35 Calinou night

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