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00:14 sofar rubenwardy: sfinv has been really useful btw
00:14 rubenwardy yay LD
00:15 rubenwardy my inspiration for sfinv was UI's and inventory_plus' APIs
00:15 rubenwardy in that my aim was to do it not like either of those :D
00:16 benrob0329 I like u_i's button based creative inventory though
00:17 rubenwardy benrob0329: sfinv is themable
00:17 rubenwardy no one has written themes yet, however
00:17 rubenwardy also, benrob0329: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16290
00:17 benrob0329 ...that isn't theming
00:18 benrob0329 thats base ux
00:18 rubenwardy oh, button based >creative inventory<
00:18 rubenwardy sounds like a hack
00:18 benrob0329 its really nice
00:18 benrob0329 no dragging
00:18 rubenwardy heh
00:18 benrob0329 just clicking for a stack
00:18 rubenwardy it would be easier to make sfinv do that
00:19 rubenwardy *easy
00:19 benrob0329 a switch to go into stack mode?
00:31 rubenwardy benrob0329, https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/r​aw/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1808.patch
00:31 rubenwardy uses buttons instead of an inventory in creative
00:31 rubenwardy also adds a +/- for expanding and contracting
00:31 rubenwardy you could ignore the sfinv changes, and just do the creative ones
00:32 benrob0329 nice
00:32 rubenwardy from https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1808
00:33 benrob0329 too bad it never got merged 🙁
00:34 rubenwardy also, did you know you can shift click to go from creative to main immediately?
00:34 rubenwardy list rings
00:35 benrob0329 i did, its still slower because its 1x1
00:35 rubenwardy creative works on the assumption that you only need one of something, anyway
00:36 rubenwardy which isn't true with mods
00:36 rubenwardy so yeah :/
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01:05 Calinou haha, found a glorious bug
01:05 Calinou set `movement_liquid_fluidity = 0` and `movement_liquid_fluidity_smooth = 0`, jump in water
01:05 Calinou you will be stuck, if you press the "fly" key, you'll be teleported to a (nan, nan, nan) location
01:06 Calinou (you'll see only void)
02:09 Calinou there, I set up a server
02:09 Calinou not much going on so far, there's a default password (123, noted in the server name/description) to keep guests/mobile clients out :)
02:09 Calinou it uses PostgreSQL, and has an hourly map render here: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
02:17 Calinou server configuration, for those interested: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/​683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
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02:20 Calinou my map rendering now is automatically optimized using oxipng, too :P
02:20 Calinou (saves 26% currently)
02:23 Calinou >ACTION[Server]: Server: User Kowalcyk220 at **.**.**.** supplied wrong password (auth mechanism: SRP).
02:23 Calinou my evil plan is working! >:D
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02:46 tumeninodes Calinou, oxipng looks interesting... never even heard of it.
02:47 * Sokomine turns calinous evil plan into a friendly plan
02:47 tumeninodes hi Sokomine
02:48 benrob0329 Hi Sokomine, Calinou
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03:12 Sokomine hi tumeninodes, benrob0329
03:13 benrob0329 whats up?
03:17 tumeninodes whats down? (hi benrob)
03:17 benrob0329 nothing much
03:18 benrob0329 slowly getting proprietary chat services out of my life
03:18 srifqi like what?
03:18 benrob0329 Discord
03:18 tumeninodes hard to let go of popular formats/platforms
03:19 benrob0329 hopefully Facebook, and Hangouts for the one guy I talk to on there
03:19 benrob0329 I de-Microsoft-ed, and have almost de-Google-ed
03:19 tumeninodes I dropped fakebook a looong time ago (well just recently opened one under tumeninodes but will prob drop that as well)
03:20 benrob0329 I have a small group I talk to on there
03:20 benrob0329 thats about it
03:20 benrob0329 I can get my daily dose of memes elsewhere 😁
03:20 tumeninodes ha
03:21 tumeninodes deep studies on what others had for breakfast
03:21 benrob0329 nothing today
03:21 tumeninodes I had a piece of cold pizza (breakfast of champions)
03:21 benrob0329 I had a couple waffles the other day, and an apple
03:22 benrob0329 most days I eat PB&J
03:22 tumeninodes pb&j pups?
03:22 benrob0329 nah, just normal pb&j 😛
03:23 tumeninodes I tend to forget to eat, often 2-3 days in a row
03:24 bigfoot547 uuuhhh
03:24 bigfoot547 I'm usually reminded bu stomach pains lol
03:24 bigfoot547 s/bu/by*
03:24 benrob0329 if I'm in the middle of a big project I can just not eat
03:24 benrob0329 or pee
03:24 tumeninodes hey bigfoot. idk, I have just never felt "hungry"
03:25 bigfoot547 Hmm
03:25 bigfoot547 like never?
03:25 tumeninodes hahahaha how do you "not pee"?? o_0
03:25 benrob0329 I hate stopping when I'm doing somthing
03:26 benrob0329 and I am very good at holding it, so the combo makes for long bursts of work
03:26 tumeninodes bigfoot, never. When people say "I'm starving" I honestly have no idea what that actually feels like
03:26 bigfoot547 tumeninodes: That's odd...
03:26 tumeninodes I know, I've been told many times
03:27 bigfoot547 Well, I would say you aren't missing a lot, but I don't know what I'd be w/o hunger pains...
03:27 tumeninodes I gusta pee though...
03:27 benrob0329 I don't know what it's like to have perfect vision *cries*
03:27 benrob0329 I might get lazer surgery someday, or at least that's the plan
03:28 tumeninodes I used to have 20/20, but the diebetis fixed that :P
03:28 benrob0329 and finally ditch the glasses, of which put on my avatar
03:28 benrob0329 *I never put
03:29 tumeninodes lazer surgery is a miracle. I had an Uncle in his elderly years get it, he had been legally blind all his life, and was finally able to see a bit at eol
03:29 benrob0329 wow, that was probably awesome
03:30 tumeninodes He was happy :)
03:30 bigfoot547 I have bad eyes...
03:30 benrob0329 I'm happy for him! It's be like being cured of color-blindness and seeing a sunrise, or hearing music after being deaf your whole life
03:30 tumeninodes I think he could just make out shadows of people all his life, after the surgery he could see us as a blur but much better he said and with some color
03:31 tumeninodes I watched a few vids on a new medical breakthrough that is helping deaf people... stopped at the 3rd vid cuz my eyes were too watery :P
03:32 benrob0329 lol, its always nice to see some uplifting videos once in a while
03:32 tumeninodes I currently need over the counter non Rx glasses for many thing now.
03:33 benrob0329 the world is too depressing to always watch sad things, or news
03:33 tumeninodes yeh, I'm a softy ever since my first child was born... it made me... squishy :/
03:34 tumeninodes I was always odd with emotions all my life till my first born... And I never watch news, never liked it
03:34 benrob0329 heh, its life; what else did you expect? :-)
03:35 tumeninodes actually I rarely watch any tv, when I do it is mostly cbc or bbc..., online
03:35 benrob0329 Doctor Who :^)
03:35 tumeninodes yes
03:35 benrob0329 its pretty much the only modern TV show I like anymore
03:36 benrob0329 I really hope the new writers get it rite
03:36 benrob0329 *right
03:36 benrob0329 Female doctor makes me nervous, but it can be done
03:37 tumeninodes admittedly I have miised quite a few newer seasons..., I mostly watched it in the 80s, tom baker
03:37 tumeninodes I don't see why not. I think with the right actress, it will be really good. The dr is supposed to be able to be anyone
03:38 benrob0329 the actress isn't my worry
03:38 tumeninodes my son LOVES dr who though
03:39 benrob0329 the writers may go full liberal pushing and do a bunch of political things in my favorite scifi show
03:39 benrob0329 which would hurt, a lot
03:39 tumeninodes well, as long as the lib writers don;t ruin it by using the show to push their narratives, should be fine. WOuld be a shame to see such an iconic show (long running) fall apart due to politics and PC
03:39 benrob0329 we already got a lot of reminders about the companion's gender in s10
03:39 benrob0329 like, a LOT
03:40 tumeninodes heavy sigh
03:40 benrob0329 instead of where it made sense
03:40 benrob0329 like when they were in Roman times, and it would have made sense because non-straightness was common
03:40 tumeninodes BS is So over pushed these days..., I'm gonna go back to the 70s, I was happy then
03:41 benrob0329 Patrick had a lot of good episodes, I say we go back to the 60s :P
03:41 tumeninodes idk, 60s were rough too :P
03:41 benrob0329 1st doctor was rough
03:41 tumeninodes nobody knew who they were
03:42 benrob0329 2nd was pretty good
03:42 tumeninodes haha
03:42 benrob0329 3rd was good too
03:42 tumeninodes I love watching old shows.
03:42 benrob0329 6 and 7 were kinda rough
03:42 benrob0329 haven't watched any of 5 yet
03:43 tumeninodes heh, just thinking "it's a good thing this isn't a minetest related irc :D"
03:43 benrob0329 I do really like the 80s theme though, at least part of the extended theme :P
03:43 tumeninodes well the good thing about all the seasons Ive missed is..., longer binge watch session
03:44 benrob0329 we don't have a DW IRC channel unfortunetly
03:44 benrob0329 #doctorwho :PP
03:44 tumeninodes hey, you could start one
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03:45 tumeninodes hey Nate.... chip?
03:45 benrob0329 Doesn't look like its availeble
03:45 tumeninodes means is exists
03:45 benrob0329 invite only
03:45 tumeninodes *it
03:45 tumeninodes that's stupid
03:46 benrob0329 some matrix rooms are taken like that too, really annoying
03:46 tumeninodes reserved for "special people"
03:46 benrob0329 like #blender:matrix.org is taken
03:46 benrob0329 but invite only
03:47 benrob0329 so i had to make #blenderunofficial:matrix.org
03:47 tumeninodes hehe
03:47 benrob0329 its not as pretty
03:47 tumeninodes "blender" isn't pretty
03:48 tumeninodes I swear they make it more difficult to use for hobbyists every other release
03:48 benrob0329 also, typing without your index finder is supprisingly difficult (my fingers are sticky)
03:48 benrob0329 I'm a hobbiest ;-)
03:48 benrob0329 blender is really consistent once you learn the basics
03:49 benrob0329 also, themes
03:50 tumeninodes problem for me is, each time I use it, I forgot what I learned the last time
03:50 benrob0329 then you don't use it enough
03:50 benrob0329 :P
03:51 tumeninodes nah, I have a medical issue which has greatly impacted my memory functions
03:51 benrob0329 its like learning Vim, you have to use it to keep the knowledge
03:51 benrob0329 ah
03:51 benrob0329 sorry to hear that
03:51 tumeninodes yeh... sucks. But upside, I forget all the thingsI don;t want to remember :D
03:52 benrob0329 I'd like that sometimes, but then again our experiences is what makes us, us.
03:52 benrob0329 *are
03:52 tumeninodes it's really frustrating and often embarrassing but, I just keep my humor up.
03:53 tumeninodes well, our experiences in life have been impacted by fakebook... They broke time
03:53 benrob0329 nah, just security
03:53 tumeninodes used to be people would come and go throughout your life... they took that part away
03:54 benrob0329 the internet as a whole took that away
03:54 tumeninodes yes
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03:54 tumeninodes most of society was not ready to handle the web
03:55 benrob0329 most of society was not ready for computers in general
03:56 benrob0329 i kinda wish that I had been born into the 60s-70s computer market, having to mail in software for real Unix systems
03:56 tumeninodes I had never even touched a pc until, I think some time in maybe around 1999 - 2001 can;t rmember which year
03:58 tumeninodes my first pc was a 350mhz intel pentium with 64 mb ram and a ???mb hdd :P then I started seeing pc at curbs everywhere and just started grabbing them and taught myself what I could
03:59 tumeninodes used win95 first few months, then found solaris, then linux. Although I do also still have all my old Mac stuff with os9 and X10.02
04:00 tumeninodes my powermac G4 and a few G3 iMacs all still run perfectly :)
04:01 tumeninodes I dislike anything Mac newer than those
04:06 benrob0329 tumeninodes: I dislike Mac in general
04:07 tumeninodes hmmm arch has an oxipng build but none for ubuntu, mint, or even debian? (have to recheck debian)
04:07 tumeninodes I dislike their "merger" with MS
04:08 tumeninodes mc os9 is unkillable..., and osx 10.2 was their last decent work
04:10 tumeninodes an oxipng .deb would sure be nice
04:10 benrob0329 So an older person using old technology is a neckbeard, an old person using new technology is hip, a young person using new technology is naive, and a young person using old technology is a hipster.
04:10 benrob0329 I see no way to win.
04:11 tumeninodes hahaha Ima "neckbeard?" wth does that even mean?
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04:12 tumeninodes I might even be "hip" but I don't want to be. I was "hip" in the late 70s
04:13 tumeninodes me n my bell bottom corduroys ;)
04:13 benrob0329 Lolol
04:13 tumeninodes they were burgandy
04:15 tumeninodes and NO ONE today would dare wear shirts that were the "yellow" we had then
04:15 tumeninodes we were a scary generation
04:17 tumeninodes a well known fact. If kids today, laugh at what you wore yesterday... you were cool. 8^)
04:19 benrob0329 Heh, kids today are driven by trends and memes
04:19 benrob0329 Not that any other generation wasn't...
04:19 tumeninodes hmmmm, I'm suddenly getting ideas for a 70's texture pack. with corduroy for wool, ohhhh yyyyyehhhhhh
04:20 tumeninodes mine was a memeless generation :(
04:21 benrob0329 Memes are viral trends, the internet was just the perfect cradle for them :-)
04:21 tumeninodes every generation, drives the last generation nuts but, in the late 90's things skipped a few generations and went mental
04:22 tumeninodes I think our memes were our basically impressions we'd do of other people to make kids laugh
04:22 benrob0329 BTW, any time you want to make some Doctor Who textures, I've got that tardis mod that needs a lot of work :P
04:23 benrob0329 I might work on that a little this week
04:24 tumeninodes oh, ok... I'll definitely work on some stuff then. I thought you were one of those "loner" type workers haha
04:24 benrob0329 Well, I am and i'm not
04:24 tumeninodes hahaaaa, same
04:25 benrob0329 I like my projects to be mine, but I wont turn down help
04:26 tumeninodes I am rather "specific" in my tastes but, if I don;t know how to do something, I nag someone
04:26 benrob0329 The whole thing is up on github atm, and it ran last I checked so you shouldnt run into any trouble
04:26 tumeninodes my kid was asking me about it the other day, actually. I'll grab it in the morning
04:27 benrob0329 The entire interior style is getting redone however, as is the spawining of it
04:27 tumeninodes were you able to get the rooms figured out?
04:27 benrob0329 Going to aim for a more Toyota style interior as the main one, and add other options
04:27 benrob0329 Not yet, but I have some ideas
04:27 benrob0329 Mostly just spawning blocks
04:28 tumeninodes ok cool
04:28 benrob0329 The trick is getting everything lined up
04:28 benrob0329 And built
04:29 benrob0329 If corner stairs are a dev only thing, then this may be a 0.5 only mod :P
04:29 benrob0329 The current git isn't, but once the new interiors come out it might be
04:30 benrob0329 I'm actually really happy with how it looks so far
04:30 tumeninodes wait?? oh, yeh nvm I forgot the corner stairs got merged into dev
04:30 benrob0329 New, bigger console and a darker color scheme
04:30 tumeninodes I have to check cuz now I'm getting bummed out (I only use stable)
04:31 tumeninodes though I already have them on my 4.16 anyway :P
04:31 benrob0329 Need a better light color for the time rotor though, possibly a custom node
04:31 tumeninodes are you particular to nodeboxes or mesh?
04:31 benrob0329 Yellow mere lamps just don't do it
04:31 benrob0329 *mese
04:32 benrob0329 Mesh
04:34 benrob0329 Nodeboxes are strange to me, and I can't imagine how texturing them is
04:34 tumeninodes I just grabbed the tardis
04:35 tumeninodes Meh, it depends on how intricate the object it
04:35 tumeninodes texturing is basic, not as flexible as a mesh
04:36 tumeninodes *is
04:36 benrob0329 I should make the time-space throttle an animated node
04:36 benrob0329 Unfortunately animated nodes are hard
04:37 tumeninodes if you want a smooth animation then yes
04:37 tumeninodes if you just want to do positions it should be easy
04:37 benrob0329 And it would make the mode heavier than I would like
04:38 benrob0329 With entities and such
04:39 tumeninodes when you start getting those rooms set up it's gonna get heavy
04:39 benrob0329 Depends, if 20 people try to run around an ungenerated tardis then ot will me heavy
04:40 benrob0329 If they mostly stay in the console room, then it's probably fine
04:40 tumeninodes hahaha yes..., yes it will
04:40 benrob0329 It'll be worth it though :P
04:40 Sokomine just send some forward in time a bit. then there's enough room :-)
04:41 benrob0329 If we had a dungeon api that would help
04:42 tumeninodes wait? isn't there an api for dungeons? I thought paramat had some stuff around
04:42 benrob0329 AFAIK you can define dungeon decorations, but not new dungeons
04:42 tumeninodes dammt
04:42 tumeninodes *i
04:42 tumeninodes :P
04:43 benrob0329 The trick will be getting all the hallways lined up
04:43 tumeninodes omg... I'm trying to focus and my eye keeps wandering off
04:44 tumeninodes maths.. trajectories
04:45 benrob0329 They all need to be built in the same cuboid area
04:45 benrob0329 As do the rooms, then it'll line up fine
04:45 tumeninodes sorry benrob, I'll have to sign off in a few my eye gets wonky when the muscles get tired.
04:46 tumeninodes can you use WE for all that? or some other schematics
04:46 benrob0329 Alright, ttyl
04:47 tumeninodes I'll check this out in the morning ttyl,
04:47 benrob0329 MT schems, its just time
04:48 tumeninodes oh yeh,,, you basically mostly need just coords right?
04:48 tumeninodes ok this is getting too difficult on my reeree eye aha nite ttyl
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04:49 benrob0329 Pretty much, and the actual generation code
04:49 benrob0329 Bah, stupid signal drops
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08:35 tenplus1 hi folkas
08:37 rdococ humanoids
08:37 tenplus1 hi rdococ
08:37 * tenplus1 performs robotic h andshake
08:37 * rdococ eats the hand
08:37 * rdococ then loses his teeth
08:38 tenplus1 lol, was made out of pizza anyhoo
08:38 rdococ oh :P
08:38 rdococ lol
08:38 tenplus1 is common practise in my culture to eat the hand that feeds you
08:38 tenplus1 literally
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08:39 tenplus1 hi lisac
08:40 lisac hey tenplus1
08:40 lisac basic_machines seems very very hard to setup
08:42 tenplus1 it can be fiddly, yes... but once you figure them out you can merge together machines to do almost anything
08:43 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
08:44 tenplus1 o/ raven
08:45 lisac is there no simple basic factory mod
08:45 lisac :(
08:46 Raven262 My new linux works sooooo nice :D
08:46 Raven262 Its good to be back on linux
08:47 tenplus1 w00t! what ya using .?
08:47 Raven262 Kubuntu
08:47 tenplus1 ooh, eye candy central :P
08:47 lisac Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 6.6 GiB Total (4.6 GiB Free) Swap: 7.9 GiB Total (7.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 617.5 GB / 1.1 TB (472.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 14m 2s
08:47 Raven262 file:///media/corvus/194DFE29509922E4​/minetest-0.4.16-win64/textures/John Smith for 0.4.16
08:48 Raven262 not that
08:48 Raven262 no
08:48 Raven262 ./+o+-       corvus@Corvus-PC
08:48 Raven262 yyyyy- -yyyyyy+      OS: Ubuntu 17.04 zesty
08:48 Raven262 ://+//////-yyyyyyo      Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.10.0-33-generic
08:48 Raven262 .++ .:/++++++/-.+sss/`      Uptime: 10h 2m
08:48 Raven262 .:++o:  /++++++++/:--:/-      Packages: 2168
08:48 lisac nooooooo
08:48 Raven262 o:+o+:++.`..```.-/oo+++++/     Shell: bash 4.4.7
08:48 Raven262 .:+o:+o/.          `+sssoo+/    Resolution: 1280x1024
08:48 Raven262 .++/+:+oo+o:`             /sssooo.   DE: KDE5
08:48 Raven262 /+++//+:`oo+o               /::--:.   WM: KWin
08:48 Raven262 \+/+o+++`o++o               ++////.   GTK Theme: Breeze [GTK2], Default [GTK3]
08:48 Raven262 .++.o+++oo+:`             /dddhhh.   Icon Theme: breeze
08:48 Raven262 .+.o+oo:.          `oddhhhh+    Font: Noto Sans Regular
08:48 lisac Raven262, wtf
08:48 Raven262 \+.++o+o``-````.:ohdhhhhh+     CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G @ 3.1GHz
08:48 lisac use pastebin
08:48 Raven262 `:o+++ `ohhhhhhhhyo++os:      GPU: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.0-33-generic, LLVM 4.0.0)
08:48 Raven262 .o:`.syhhhhhhh/.oo++o`      RAM: 810MiB / 5912MiB
08:48 Raven262 /osyyyyyyo++ooo+++/
08:48 Raven262 ````` +oo+++o\:
08:48 Raven262 `oo++.
08:48 Raven262 there
08:48 Raven262 next time
08:50 tenplus1 Client: Pidgin 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel Atom, 2 Cores HT (1.80GHz) • Memory: Physical: 4.0 GiB • Storage: 120 GB Sandisk Sata2 SSD • VGA: Nvidia Ion.v2
08:51 lisac hey tenplus1 do /CTCP lisac version
08:51 tenplus1 wat's that do ?
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08:51 lisac it gives you my client version
08:51 Krock hi tenplus1
08:51 tenplus1 heh
08:51 tenplus1 hi Krock
08:51 lisac hey Krock
08:51 Krock I was faster this time :D
08:51 Krock hi lisac
08:51 Raven262 Hi Krock
08:51 Krock hello Raven262
08:58 tenplus1 I take it that CSM mods can have a dependency set and view server mods' global vars ?
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09:11 tenplus1 hi zeno
09:11 Zeno` hi 3
09:11 Zeno` :)
09:12 Zeno` how's things?
09:12 tenplus1 not bad, am tired this morning tho...
09:12 tenplus1 you ?
09:12 Zeno` tenplus1, do you want to fork and maintain the official version of caverealms-lite?
09:12 Zeno` I'm a bit tired as well but ok, thank you
09:12 tenplus1 isnt shara doing that already?
09:13 Zeno` possibly yeah. I noticed some commits from her. I'll ask :)
09:47 shivajiva Hi Zeno o/
09:47 tenplus1 hi shiva
09:48 shivajiva Hiya tenplus
09:49 Zeno` hi
09:49 Zeno` brb
09:59 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated to 2.3 - localised many of the global functions, tidied code, updated readme
10:03 Zeno` for the record, I never accused him of murder :/ My words were something along the lines of "... may have contributed to ... due to causing undue stress"
10:06 shivajiva the email trail clearly shows no accusation of murder from you Zeno, it's just another dumb manipulation of the facts designed to make him look like a victim when he's actually the perpetrator
10:08 shivajiva it's something children do rather than face up to reality
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10:21 tenplus1 hi nrz
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10:22 tenplus1 o/ DS-minetest
10:22 DS-minetest o/ tenplus1
10:22 DS-minetest hi all
10:22 cx384 hi
10:22 tenplus1 hi cx384
10:22 cx384 oh hello tenplus1
10:23 nerzhul hi
10:31 tenplus1 brb, making noms
10:37 tenplus1 am having sweet & sour chicken with rice
10:37 tenplus1 soooo much preperation involved (remove label, blitz in microwave for 6 mins)
10:40 shivajiva lol
10:43 lisac I think I've still got some instant noodles here.
10:43 lisac I forgot about them.
10:43 * lisac is away for 5 minutes
10:47 nerzhul i'm a little bit a Lua API noob in mod usage, sometimes, how can we check a player privilege by name ?
10:47 nerzhul i'm working on a callback to bypass user limit defined by mods, i want to move a hardcoded privilege check part from core to lua (as those privileges are purely defined in builtin)
10:47 tenplus1 minetest.check_player_privs(name, {creative = true})
10:48 nerzhul okay, and the hashmap for privilege is player has all privileges or one ?
10:49 tenplus1 local privs = minetest.get_player_privs(user:get_player_name()) ; if privs["server"] then ----
10:49 tenplus1 could use that
11:02 nerzhul ty tenplus1
11:03 nerzhul i have the PR for the user limit bypass :)
11:03 tenplus1 limit bypass ?
11:04 nerzhul max_users
11:04 nerzhul with my pr a mod can permits some users to bypass the limit, as wanted
11:04 tenplus1 ahh, so a whitelist
11:05 Shara tenplus1: It's because several servers are having problems with players getting refused before the cap is reached, and it seems to be due to all the app players taking forever to connect but using a slot while they do
11:05 Shara RC often refuses players at around 17/30, which is much too soon
11:06 Shara So we wanted a way to let regular players in while that is going on
11:09 celeron55 meh
11:09 tenplus1 hi celeron
11:10 Shara Hi celeron55
11:10 celeron55 oops, now the other posts remain
11:10 nerzhul yeah
11:10 nerzhul see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6369
11:12 nerzhul for the limit you mention Shara we fixed it in master, it's the session state check, 0.4.X checks created sessions instead of active sessions
11:13 nerzhul with the PR you can have 30/30 and permits with mods some users based on name or IP to connects
11:13 celeron55 i don't like it that can_bypass_userlimit is named completely differently than register_on_userlimit_check
11:14 Shara Ahh, so next release already had a way to handle this?
11:14 celeron55 use the same name so it's easier to find stuff
11:14 celeron55 register_can_bypass_userlimit or something
11:15 celeron55 just like the on_joinplayer/register_on_joinplayer below it
11:20 tenplus1 hi shara
11:21 tenplus1 can anyone think of a better way to show that crops are fully grown ?
11:21 * Shara never had a problem with the current way
11:22 tenplus1 same, but a few players were complaining about harvesting crops and getting nothing... they were digging them up half grown
11:25 Raven262 Make golden sparkles shine all around the fully grown ones :P
11:26 Raven262 That should gather some attention
11:26 tenplus1 particle overflow :P
11:26 Raven262 Tell players to use F5?
11:28 Shara tenplus1: It's a good lesson in paying attention to detail
11:29 tenplus1 so true :)
11:29 tenplus1 was thinking of making them slower to dig when half-fgrown and immediate dig fully grown
11:29 Shara If you add some weird effect to fully grown crops, I'll be forking or dropping the mod, because I don't want that. I like it when crops look like.. well, crops.
11:29 Shara Hmm, that could work
11:30 Shara But if they can't manage to work it out by looking at them, there is no guarantee that will be enough either
11:30 tenplus1 heh
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11:36 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:36 Fixer hello
11:45 cx384 tenplus1 you could make a on right click to show that crops are fully grown. maybe send a chat message/show particle or something like this
11:47 cx384 or a crop analyzing tool.
11:49 DS-minetest or a mouth to taste it…
12:04 nerzhul celeron55, okay i fixed that
12:05 nerzhul Shara, yes next release have many fixes, look at the changelog on dev wiki :p
12:05 Shara I'm never sure if changelog is up to date for next release
12:06 nerzhul because i update it 1 times per month im' pretty sure it is as i did it this week :p
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12:58 tenplus1 wb lisac
12:58 lisac hey ten :D
12:58 lisac I was on nore's server
12:58 lisac it's nice
12:58 lisac mostly
12:58 lisac but that maze on the map before last...
12:59 lisac made me ragequit after 30 minutes of roaming
12:59 tenplus1 ehehe, did you try the keep left trick ?
13:01 nore heh yeah that maze it a bit complicated :°
13:01 nore "you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"
13:01 nore (might sound familiar for some people here :p)
13:02 tenplus1 hi nore :P
13:02 nore hey there :)
13:03 tenplus1 omg, am actually using usb floppy drive...
13:12 Zeno` "go east, go south, open window, go west, take lamp, move rug, go up, take sack, take sword, go down, go down, light lamp, go north, go north, kill troll"
13:15 nore lol
13:15 Zeno` and for fun, go into the forest and "count leaves"
13:42 Krock 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12...
13:42 tenplus1 do do do doo doo doo dooooo...  twelve!
13:43 Krock forgot to start with zero
13:43 tenplus1 thought you were doing the sesame street pinball tune
13:44 Krock uh no, I wasn't.
13:44 tenplus1 aww
13:45 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOaZbaPzdsk
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13:48 tenplus1 wb nrz
13:50 Calinou hi :)
13:51 tenplus1 hi Cal
13:51 Calinou https://lut.im/3k2wIgm2Fo/5IG9usTdLazJdzYX.png
13:51 Calinou I got €0.50 on Liberapay last week :P
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13:55 tenplus1 wb cx#
13:56 cx384 o/ tenplus1
13:59 Calinou nice, my cron job for autogenerating the map works: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
13:59 Calinou it's generated every 6 hours
13:59 Krock congrats Calinou. Now you can buy 1/100th or a metal plate from a real Tesla!
14:00 Krock * 1/1000th
14:00 Calinou :)
14:00 Calinou I made my mapper settings fancier, too
14:00 Calinou dark background/light scale, zoom 2× (easier to see things without using browser zoom)
14:00 Krock mgv7?
14:00 tenplus1 looks like a game map for cannon fodder :P
14:01 Calinou it's mgv6
14:01 tenplus1 yeah I noticed
14:01 Calinou mgv7 is nice, but there's a lot of crazy overhangs (not easy to build in), and the caves are meh
14:01 tenplus1 the dithering around the borders between biomes :D
14:01 Calinou yeah
14:04 Calinou hmm, only had 1 player at most on my server
14:04 Calinou the default password might be too effective :D
14:04 tenplus1 lol
14:04 Calinou it's mentioned both in the server name and description, and it's just "123" (without quotes)
14:05 Calinou looking at the logs, it seems to be efficient in blocking mobile clients whose names aren't blocked
14:05 Calinou (the 3-number ones)
14:06 Calinou the PostgreSQL database used for the world/players is 70 MB already, heh
14:07 tenplus1 not bad, xanadu is sitting at 45gb
14:10 tenplus1 do mapblocks get timestamped on creation ?
14:12 tenplus1 for instance, if mapblocks created had a timestamp would it be possible to remove parts of the map a year or so old ?
14:17 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/mapblock.cpp#L621
14:18 Krock before the node definition and after node timers/the node metadata
14:18 tenplus1 :PPP
14:19 Krock but sadly, only U32, so it will stop working properly after ~2033
14:19 tenplus1 buuuuuuu
14:19 tenplus1 wait, havent they addressed that issue yet in linux ?
14:20 Krock in operating systems, it was/still is changed actively. but in Minetest.. duh.
14:20 sfan5 Krock: the mapblock timestamp is not unix time
14:21 tenplus1 hi sfan
14:24 Fixer http://www.filfre.net/wp-cont​ent/uploads/2017/04/lm2-6.png okay
14:24 tenplus1 lol
14:30 Fixer In 2030 Minetest will be rewritten to JS++ running on JSLinux
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14:30 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic
14:30 tenplus1 js++ ?
14:31 Aerozoic wazup tenplus1
14:31 * tenplus1 is going through floppy disks
14:38 lisac rebooting once again
14:39 Calinou tenplus1: not sure
14:40 Calinou (that could delete areas where people built things, though?)
14:40 tenplus1 I do have a script that unloads map areas that arent protected, but am reluctant to use that
14:40 Calinou is there a script to pregenerate portions of the map?
14:41 Calinou my server runs well, but can get a bit laggy during map generation (I use 2 emerge threads)
14:41 Calinou settings: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/​683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
14:41 Calinou I have an high-end VPS, so I tweaked the settings accordingly
14:41 tenplus1 hrm
14:41 Calinou 15 Hz server tick rate, higher active block range, higher block send/generate distance…
14:41 Calinou trying to make the experience as good as possible, while keeping lag low
14:42 Calinou also disabled the "placing nodes slows down block sending", which is probably nonsensical today
14:42 Fixer Calinou: you can emergeblocks for say 3000x3000 area and it will be fine I guess
14:42 Calinou (we've had block placement prediction since 2012)
14:42 Calinou Fixer: yeah, how do I do that? :P
14:42 Fixer Calinou: easy, in server terminal or ingame, /emergeblocks (x1,y1,z1) (x2,y2,z2) smth like that
14:43 Calinou oh, that's nice
14:43 Fixer Calinou: i did that many times and it worked for me
14:43 Calinou my server is using only 123 MB of RAM right now, heh
14:43 Calinou it can use 1.5 GB if you walk around a lot
14:43 tenplus1 nice n low :D
14:43 Fixer Calinou: it will output some statistics, you will see when generation will end
14:43 Calinou (blocks are kept in RAM for 1 hour, instead of just 30 seconds)
14:43 Calinou my VPS has 15 GB of RAM anyway
14:43 Calinou currently using only 3 GB…
14:43 Calinou so, I don't mind high RAM usage (it's much better than high CPU usage)
14:44 Calinou Fixer: do I put parentheses?
14:45 Fixer Calinou: yes
14:45 Fixer Calinou: or just run /emergeblocks it should give help info
14:46 Calinou yeah
14:46 tenplus1 if it's anything like /deleteblocks it shoudl have the HERE flag...  /emergeblocks here 1000
14:47 Fixer Calinou: i even posted a thread about generation speed, let me find it
14:47 Fixer Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=15000
14:48 Calinou /emergeblocks (-2048,-128,-2048) (2048,128,2048)
14:48 Calinou who will win? server crash, or map generation? :D
14:48 tenplus1 ehehehehe
14:48 tenplus1 is it possible to limit map height only ?
14:48 Calinou 0.2% done
14:49 Calinou that might be too much… VPS providers don't like if your load average is high for extended periods of time
14:49 Fixer wth... i bought VPS, I expect to use fully
14:49 Calinou considering it uses 2 CPU threads, my VPS is at 25-33% CPU usage
14:49 Calinou and will be for an hour or so
14:49 Calinou Fixer: they all do that, especially the cheaper ones
14:50 Calinou none of them will be happy if you use 100% CPU 24/7 :)
14:50 Fixer pfff
14:50 Fixer thats rip off
14:50 Calinou I got one of them suspended last year
14:50 Fixer same rip off as "unlimited"
14:50 Calinou (I was running a seedbox on it, and that made the load average high, it was automatic)
14:50 Calinou I contacted the support and they restored it, thankfully
14:50 Fixer lol
14:50 Fixer lololol
14:50 Calinou Fixer: you make other people's VPSes slow if you use your CPU fully
14:50 Calinou that's how VPSes work
14:50 Calinou dedicated servers don't have this problem, but are much more expensive
14:50 Fixer so they sell VPS to actually not do any CPU work? WTH
14:50 Calinou you can do intensive CPU work, but not for long periods of time
14:51 Calinou I'd advise < 30 minutes
14:51 Calinou (it's enough most of the time…)
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14:51 tenplus1 wb lisac
14:51 Calinou heh, it went from 0.8% to 1.8%
14:51 Calinou 2.4% now
14:52 Fixer i don't mind day of 100% cpu usage and then they asking if smth is broken or smth, but 30 min is just horseshit
14:54 lisac thanks tenplus1
14:54 Calinou 6.2%…
14:54 lisac hey nore can I request a password reset on your server?
14:54 lisac I seem to have typed the wrong one first time
14:55 Calinou fun fact: I forgot to change my Minetest password on my server until today
14:55 lisac I tried with both caps and without caps
14:55 Calinou so, anyone could have logged in using the default password, 123 :D
14:55 Calinou but nobody did it
14:55 Calinou now it's changed :P
14:55 lisac Calinou, you should've told me before you changed it
14:55 lisac can't do much now.
14:55 lisac :P
15:00 Fixer Calinou: btw LazyJ had bad luck with hosting LinuxGaming2 (previously), it was lagging constantly with max_lag 4-7 most of the time, he finally ended contract and switched from that horseshit
15:01 Calinou a dedicated server is always better, but it's too expensive for me
15:02 Fixer Calinou: what price?
15:02 Calinou https://www.soyoustart.com/'s dedis aren't too expensive, but not cheap either
15:04 Fixer Calinou: too costly by East Europe standards
15:04 Calinou yeah
15:05 Calinou consider that I'm not making profit from hosting game servers :P
15:05 Calinou and I'm still a student
15:06 Fixer Calinou: still, it should not be that bad for your country, with wages X000 USD wages, but prohibitive in places with 300USD wage
15:06 Fixer vps is kinda shit, but no alternative...
15:06 Fixer unless you host at home or smth
15:06 Calinou starting from next month, I'll be getting my scholarship again, and it's €70 higher than last year (since my parents earned less money, etc)
15:07 Calinou €321/month, totalling to €3,210/year
15:07 tenplus1 oof
15:07 Calinou I live with my parents, which means that this money is basically pocket change :P
15:07 Calinou but I'd rather not spend it too much
15:07 Fixer Calinou: still running seedbox? har-har
15:08 Calinou yeah
15:08 Fixer it is quite amazing that piracy has big history in USA itself
15:08 Calinou I seed only legal torrents, actually
15:08 Calinou https://lut.im/mI4JF0CsPv/eNGhvA8NLGCiI8rD.png
15:09 Fixer 0ad, still alpha
15:09 Calinou the top torrent (in ratio) has been seeding for almost 5 weeks
15:09 tenplus1 +100
15:09 Fixer alpha feels uneasy for me
15:09 Calinou I seed open source things because I like them :P
15:10 Fixer Calinou: i will just say on my 2mbit I already seeded 791GB of one known stand up comic...
15:10 Fixer and paused it a bit
15:10 Calinou I capped the upload to 1.4 MB/s (download isn't capped, and this server can download really fast, like, 40 MB/s)
15:10 Calinou but in practice, upload rarely goes above 800 KB/s
15:10 Calinou (not enough demand)
15:10 Calinou I'm almost out of SSD space on this VPS
15:11 Calinou 5 GB left…
15:11 tenplus1 how big ?
15:11 Calinou 4.4 GB left actually, out of 60 GB
15:11 Calinou torrent files take up a lot of space
15:11 tenplus1 what torrent sertup you got ?
15:11 Calinou (14 GB right now)
15:11 Calinou rTorrent + ruTorrent (web interface)
15:11 Fixer Calinou: seed flightgear... :trollface:
15:12 Fixer who even uses torrents for downloading LibreOffice...
15:12 Calinou https://gist.github.com/Calinou/​6f92c3c1e208a26a3bc13d2ffeed7b54
15:12 rubenwardy I use kimsufi for my dedi, Fixer. £14pm for reasonable specs
15:12 Calinou my configuration ^
15:12 rubenwardy no SSD though
15:12 Calinou gotta love the "gist" Ruby gem <3
15:12 Calinou makes creating gists very easy
15:14 Fixer Calinou: your torrent list is not impressive at all
15:14 lumidify Calinou: what VPS provider are you using now? (sorry, may have missed it in all that backlog...)
15:15 Calinou this one: https://www.gheberg.com/ - it's a nonprofit French provider (they speak only French)
15:15 Calinou we have many hosts which are actually nonprofits here :)
15:15 Calinou so the prices are really low, but there's no uptime guarantee
15:15 Calinou (in practice, uptime is very good, close to 100%)
15:15 Fixer Calinou: dump Libreoffice, torrent FlightGear and Orbiter
15:15 Calinou they are KVM too (and not OpenVZ)
15:15 Calinou Fixer: hmm, didn't think about FlightGear :)
15:16 Fixer about 1.5gb of space
15:16 Fixer same for Orbiter, or more
15:16 Fixer Orbiter is freeware
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15:17 tenplus1 hi Megaf
15:17 lumidify http://ramnode.com/ seems to be pretty good, but I haven't hosted any game server there (although I think quite a few people use it for MC).
15:17 lumidify But they don't have unlimited bandwidth :/
15:17 Calinou yeah, my bandwidth is unlimited
15:18 Fixer Calinou: where is 0ad for linux?
15:18 Megaf Hi all
15:18 Megaf Fixer, apt get install 0ad
15:18 Calinou lumidify: I get much better specs for the price, here
15:18 Calinou (comparing the KVM VPSes of Ramnode to the ones from Gheberg)
15:18 Megaf Fixer, I mean, apt install 0ad
15:18 Fixer Megaf: aptitude
15:18 Megaf or pacman -S 0ad
15:18 Calinou for €15/month (including VAT), I get 8 threads, 15 GB of RAM (15, not 16, yeah), 60 GB SSD
15:18 Calinou and unlimited bandwdith (usually around 100 Mb/s in upload, 400-500 Mb/s in download)
15:18 Megaf or yum install 0ad, or
15:19 Megaf hm, 15 Euro for 8 threads
15:19 Megaf are those the fast type of thread tho?
15:19 Calinou also, these are really expensive: http://www.ramnode.com/vds.php
15:19 Calinou VPSes with dedicated CPU (not a fully dedicated, but close)
15:19 Calinou $40/month for two cores and 8 GB of RAM… meh
15:19 Calinou they do allow full usage 24/7
15:19 sfan5 ugh ramnode
15:20 sfan5 haven't seen more restrictive tos in a long time
15:20 Calinou the So You Start dedis are cheaper :P
15:20 Calinou and they're full machines
15:20 * Megaf is happy with Linode
15:20 Megaf 10 USD 1 thread, 20 GB and 2 GB
15:20 rubenwardy my kimsufi dedi is 2c and 8 GB ram for £14pm   ($18)
15:21 rubenwardy Megaf, I used linode for ages. It's convenient and better than DO
15:21 lumidify Then there's https://www.scaleway.com/, but I've seen some horrible reviews of its reliability.
15:21 rubenwardy but I now need more RAM
15:21 Megaf rubenwardy, they are amazing, but they give little RAM and CPU...
15:21 rubenwardy yeah
15:21 rubenwardy I was limited by both
15:21 lumidify I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P
15:22 rubenwardy Does OpenBSD have any tangable benefits?
15:22 rubenwardy or is it just hipster purism obsession
15:23 lumidify Well, security, and the fact that it has really nice software. Especially OpenSMTPd and OpenHTTPd are really nice.
15:23 tenplus1 the  latter
15:24 lumidify The only reason why I keep Linux around is because MT 0.4.16 doesn't seem to work on OpenBSD.
15:24 sfan5 lumidify: your ranking isn't a good idea if you universally apply it to all providers
15:24 sfan5 openvz-only providers support *bsd in 0% of cases
15:25 lumidify sfan5: well, it was partially a joke. I want to run my email server, etc. on OpenBSD, but if I ran a game server, I'd probably just go with the cheapest option, even if it didn't support OpenBSD.
15:25 sfan5 or you could get a single dedi to do both? :D
15:26 rubenwardy more servers the better!
15:26 lumidify I might consider running a server once LOTT is cleaned up a bit...
15:26 rubenwardy I want to have enough traffic to my site to justify load balancing over multiple servers
15:27 lumidify I want multiple server just so I can have their hostnames be the names of my favorite composers - dvorak, shostakovich, tchaikovsky, rachmaninov, prokofiev, etc. :P
15:27 lumidify *servers
15:29 Krock kalashnikov and putin
15:29 Krock latter can, as I heard, ride on bears
15:29 lumidify Well, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture does include a part for actual cannons...
15:30 Megaf [16:21:58] <lumidify> I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P
15:30 Megaf So you can add Linode to your list of good ranked
15:30 lumidify :)
15:30 Megaf You can add absolutely any OS you want
15:31 tenplus1 Amiga OS 4.1
15:31 Megaf You can in fact, set up your server on virtualbox
15:31 Megaf and upload the disk image to your Linode
15:31 Megaf and run it
15:31 Megaf Ok, any x86_32 and x86_64 OS
15:31 lumidify I like ramnode because it allows VNC access. Quite a few others probably do that too, but scaleway just has some buggy web-based console for it.
15:31 Megaf unless you make a tiny OS as middle man to translate x86 to other architecture
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15:32 tenplus1 wb Cal
15:33 Megaf hm,
15:33 Megaf lumidify, whats wrong with Minetest on OpenBSD?
15:33 lumidify Megaf: The reason why I chose ramnode for my low-resource email (and some other small things) server was because it does have some really cheap plans.
15:34 lumidify Megaf: Last time I tried, there was something with the threading. The official OpenBSD package/port is 0.4.14, and I managed to compile 0.4.15, but 0.4.16 crashes immediately, and gdb points to some files that seem to do threading stuff.
15:36 rubenwardy http://www.purescript.org/
15:37 rubenwardy jesus christ
15:37 lumidify Maybe it's just something with my specific system or I'm just making a stupid mistake, but I dunno...
15:37 lumidify Who wants to rewrite MT in this? https://github.com/samshadwell/TrumpScript
15:37 Megaf rubenwardy, whattaactualfeck
15:38 Megaf no, just no
15:38 Megaf I should try to compile minetest to JavaScript tho
15:38 tenplus1 ??????
15:38 Megaf there are some JavaScript compilers for C++
15:38 Megaf so you can run actual software on browsers
15:38 Megaf internet archive do that a lot for example
15:39 Megaf you have DOSBox in JavaScript there...
15:39 rubenwardy "In its raw form, TrumpScript is not compatible with Windows, because Trump isn't the type of guy to believe in PC."
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15:42 Calinou back, had some VPS issues due to the high CPU load :P
15:42 Calinou but it wasn't suspended
15:43 Calinou my VPS runs Ubuntu Server 16.04, by the way
15:43 Calinou Debian 9 would be a better choice today, since it has newer packages. But once Ubuntu 18.04 is released, their packages will be older :D
15:43 Calinou my Apache doesn't have HTTP/2 :(
15:43 Calinou nginx does, but I stopped using it because it's too cumbersome to set up/maintain with some PHP software
15:43 rubenwardy why not 17.04?
15:43 Calinou 17.04 isn't LTS
15:43 Calinou I could upgrade, but meh
15:43 Calinou it's pretty risky to upgrade a VPS anyway
15:44 Calinou but LTS -> LTS should be ok
15:44 Megaf Calinou, How can I check if my websertver have http/2?
15:44 Calinou Megaf: use your browser's inspector, it should tell you in the Network tab if you click on a request
15:44 rubenwardy Calinou, you could use nginx in front of apache
15:44 rubenwardy or use php_fpm with nginx (I do this when I need PHP things)
15:44 Calinou or use https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test
15:45 Calinou haha
15:45 Calinou https://lut.im/EkQnAV9jbB/kB2Ei0iyaOdURqfN.png
15:45 rubenwardy although I use docker for any PHP things
15:45 rubenwardy don't want PHP on my actual system
15:45 Calinou I don't use Docker here
15:45 Calinou rubenwardy: yeah, nginx + php-fpm is what I used.
15:45 Calinou it's not too hard to set it up for WordPress
15:46 Calinou …for anything more, it's a PITA because people can't be arsed to document things or write them properly (permalinks)
15:46 Calinou eg. Nextcloud can be quite hard
15:46 Calinou so, one of my alternatives using an Apache PPA
15:47 Megaf tell in the network tab, hm
15:47 Megaf I found the network tab
15:52 Megaf Calinou, what browser you use?
15:52 Calinou hmm, apparently my Apache *is* new enough for HTTP/2
15:52 Calinou Chromium
15:52 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DIvf5tIW0AAa7lO.jpg:large
15:53 Megaf interesting, Debian has a package called chromium-shell
15:53 Calinou heh, it's not very simple but it's possible: https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-set-u​p-apache-with-http2-support-on-ubuntu-16-04/
15:53 Megaf I wonder if thats ChromeOS interface
15:53 Calinou Megaf: Chromium-shell is a stripped-down version of Chromium
15:53 Calinou nothing to do with ChromeOS
15:53 Fixer https://twitter.com/intheInfan​try/status/904040173801021440
15:53 Megaf ah
15:53 Megaf I like stripped down version of things
15:54 rubenwardy Fixer is reading r/programmerhumor
15:54 Megaf Calinou, can you check http://wings.megaf.info/ please?
15:54 Megaf I didnt suceed
15:54 Calinou I can open the site
15:55 Calinou https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test can't, though
15:55 Megaf I know...
15:55 Megaf I tried that too
15:55 Megaf wouldnt be asking otherwise
15:56 Fixer https://twitter.com/evertp​/status/901204486777184256
15:57 sfan5 Megaf: you need https for http 2.0 support
15:57 Fixer https://minetest.netnot supported
15:57 Fixer FAIL
15:57 Calinou yeah
15:57 Calinou that is mandatory
15:57 Calinou get a certificate from Let's Encrypt :)
15:57 Megaf it's complicated
15:57 Megaf not even the guys at #letsencrypt know how to help me
15:57 Megaf with my setup
15:57 Megaf and asked me to post in the forums
15:57 rubenwardy https://minetest.net doesn't even work
15:57 Megaf I will, eventually
15:58 rubenwardy Megaf, what is your setup?
15:58 Fixer https://twitter.com/xxxdretenta​cion/status/899076829855830016
15:58 Fixer WHO EVEN BUYS THIS???
15:58 rubenwardy letsencrypt was easy for me
15:58 rubenwardy hardest bit was adjusting settings to get A+ on ssllabs.com
15:58 Megaf rubenwardy, I use a software called pound to send the requests to domains or subdomains to the right VPS
15:59 rubenwardy does pound support SSL?
15:59 Megaf wings.megaf.info when arrives in the main server, is redirected to x.x.x.xx7 for example
15:59 Megaf git.megaf.info goes to x.x.x.xx6
15:59 Megaf and so on
15:59 sfan5 just use the webroot verification method
15:59 sfan5 personally i use simp_le for this
16:00 Megaf I have several other domains, not only megaf.info subdomains
16:00 rubenwardy if pound doesn't support per-subdomain certs, you'll need to use only one certificate with aliases for each subdomain
16:00 Calinou Fixer: does /emergeblocks regenerate existing areas?
16:00 Calinou if used agaijn
16:00 Calinou again*
16:00 rubenwardy one you get the cert, it shouldn't be that hard
16:00 Calinou looks like it didn't complete: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
16:00 Calinou (6.2 MB)
16:00 rubenwardy and see sfan5's message for that
16:00 Fixer Calinou: probably not, no idea
16:03 Fixer this is most horrifying https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DFRhvNcVoAAuqyf.jpg:large
16:03 Fixer why would they buy and install this?
16:03 Fixer smart faucet? really?
16:03 Fixer with linux on it?
16:03 Fixer why?
16:03 Calinou rubenwardy: just tested my server on SSLLabs, https://lut.im/ESLvcr2UEu/tQ0jIsfEW9Qh9epO.png
16:03 rubenwardy nice
16:03 Calinou that's nice, considered I didn't really tweak anything
16:05 Krock Fixer, they want to make the IOT bigger
16:06 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DGtq1FoXgAElk-3.jpg:large
16:07 Calinou https://lut.im/3S3mUABH8b/kyR6Ubuq5wHu47Rn.png
16:07 Calinou :DDD
16:07 Calinou it works :)
16:07 rubenwardy wooo!
16:08 rubenwardy have you changed the image and nav bar on your site recently?
16:08 rubenwardy *nav bar color
16:08 Calinou no, I haven't updated it since ~October 2016 :|
16:08 Calinou I want to redesign it, but it takes time
16:08 Fixer https://twitter.com/Shitty_Fut​ure/status/886148202185068545
16:08 Calinou (can't find inspiration to make a good-looking thing)
16:08 rubenwardy ah, I'm just an idiot then
16:08 Calinou this CSS framework looks pretty cool, and I don't really need IE11 support: v
16:08 Calinou http://bulma.io/
16:09 rubenwardy oh nice
16:09 rubenwardy I've been meaning to ask for CSS frameworks as easy as bootstrap
16:09 rubenwardy but less generic looking
16:09 rubenwardy and ones that encourage
16:09 Fixer you IRL https://twitter.com/Shitty_Fut​ure/status/878503078470836224
16:09 rubenwardy HTML semantic tags
16:10 Calinou this one has a lot of nice things: Flexbox-based, uses Sass (like Bootstrap 4), Webpack-friendly
16:10 Calinou (I set up Webpack + Babel already :P)
16:11 Calinou plays well with Font Awesome, too
16:11 Calinou the CSS is still large, but with gzip compression it's small
16:11 Calinou and there's no JavaScript, you implement the JS features you need yourself
16:11 Calinou (jQuery isn't mandatory!)
16:11 Calinou (Bootstrap 4 still requires jQuery…)
16:11 Fixer https://twitter.com/EnglishRus​sia1/status/862661011882561537
16:12 Fixer m o b i l e  a p p s
16:12 rubenwardy that pisses me off
16:13 rubenwardy earn your reviews, god dammit
16:13 rubenwardy ooh
16:14 rubenwardy Minetest Mods has just surpassed 600 active installs!
16:17 tenplus1 nice
16:17 * tenplus1 force grew Hemp in 3 days next to meselamp and a week normally in natural daylight
16:21 Fixer rubenwardy: and active install is?
16:21 Calinou Fixer: no :( /emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks
16:21 Calinou it's a waste of time in my case, I'll need to adjust coordinates by hand
16:21 Calinou can I stop an /emergeblocks task safely?
16:21 Fixer Calinou: no idea %)
16:21 Calinou (my world has nothing important right now, but still)
16:22 rubenwardy Fixer, number of devices my app is installed on
16:22 Fixer rubenwardy: interesting
16:22 rubenwardy only active devices, ones that have connected to google play recently
16:23 Fixer quite amazing we have 600 mobile players that install mods
16:23 Calinou alright, stopped/restarted the server, seems to be ok
16:23 Calinou only 685933 blocks to generate now 8)
16:24 Calinou my world database is 445 MB right now
16:25 Fixer Calinou: public server?
16:26 Calinou Fixer: yes, it's on the list
16:26 Fixer 0.5.0?
16:27 Calinou 0.4.17 (it's actually stable 0.4.16, but the version scheme changed)
16:27 Calinou so, you need a stable client
16:28 Fixer i'm using latest 0.5.0, two compatible servers on list
16:29 * rubenwardy uses 0.5.0-dev
16:29 Fixer 0.5.0-dev,yes
16:30 * rubenwardy realises he's an idiot and never migrated his server to PostreSQL
16:34 Calinou it's quite easy
16:34 Calinou also, you *can* put the world and player informations in the same database
16:34 Calinou rubenwardy: I should write a wiki article dedicated to PostgreSQL setup, I guess
16:34 Calinou from installing the software itself, to migrating a SQLite world
16:34 Calinou (some people may never have used Postgres before)
16:35 rubenwardy good idea
16:40 Fixer Calinou: describe your minetest server
16:41 Calinou Fixer: "A survival, building-oriented server." :D
16:41 Calinou there's not much going on right now, I added a few mods but nothing big
16:41 Calinou no mobs right now, I'm not really satisfied with the current mob mods… :(
16:41 Fixer Calinou: areas or protector, central spawn or chaotic?
16:43 Calinou no central spawn yet
16:43 Calinou areas is installed, with self-protection allowed
16:43 Calinou moreblocks, maptools, sprint, hudbars, spectator_mode, name_restrictions also are installed :)
16:43 * rubenwardy is thinking of starting a server aimed at 1940s / steam punk / early modernism
16:43 rubenwardy so a coastal city with a subway etc
16:43 tenplus1 that sounds pretty good... always loved steampunk
16:44 Calinou people love steampunk, but they also love Steam
16:44 * Calinou hides
16:44 Calinou so… they are Steam punks
16:44 * Calinou hides more
16:45 Fixer rubenwardy: if coastal city... don't forget to protect all the fucking water
16:45 Fixer rubenwardy: or nice "city" will be transformed into boxes on water city
16:46 rubenwardy ha, yeah
16:46 Fixer rubenwardy: same for rivers
16:47 Fixer those nice v7 rivers... just wait for a nice bridg....nevermind
16:48 Fixer another problem is they block the river completely with those flying boxes
16:48 Fixer not acceptable
16:48 Fixer we need a new mod that protects space over all pregenerated water
16:49 Fixer otherwise kiddies ruin it to India like levels
16:52 Fixer i've joined 0.5.0-dev DCBL server... feels like when I went back to 2011, worst builds i've seen and worst griefs, forest fires in many places
16:53 Fixer you give people tons of block varieties - still looks like shit from 2011
16:53 red-001 DCBL?
16:53 Fixer yeah
16:53 Fixer dcbl
16:53 Fixer look up on list
16:54 Fixer i've had some kray.dy.fi anarchy server flasbacks after visiting it, not that server is bad, but people builds are horrifying
16:55 Fixer my OCD broke, had to remove some of fires and pillars
16:55 Calinou >Server: Player with the name "1000000000" tried to connect from **.**.**.** but it was disallowed for the following reason: All-numeric usernames are disallowed on this server.
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16:55 Calinou that's a billion-dollar player!
16:55 Fixer guest1000000000
16:56 Calinou oh yeah, kray.dy.fi
16:56 Calinou I played on that one in August 2011 :D
16:56 Calinou I built a castle with quaker66/q66
16:56 Calinou "NyanLand"
16:56 Calinou (back when nyancats were popular)
16:56 Fixer Calinou: on peaceful one or on anarchy one?
16:58 Fixer wth with sprinting that increases my jumping considerebly?
16:59 Fixer those people live in 3017: https://i.imgur.com/BZUXCB4.png
17:02 tenplus1 heh
17:02 tenplus1 prefer sprint with hunger instead of separate spring bar
17:03 Fixer DO NOT MAKE SPAWNS ON WATER. EVER
17:03 * rubenwardy 's server spawn is probably going to be next to a harbour
17:04 Fixer Also, protect pretty big area around spawn, make it pretty light
17:04 rubenwardy agreed
17:04 Fixer every water city-spawns i've seen - FPS shitshow
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17:05 Fixer look how bueautiful it is: https://i.imgur.com/k3hs7aw.png
17:06 nerzhul new art
17:06 tenplus1 looks like one of my houses
17:07 tenplus1 http://i60.tinypic.com/1zvsnx0.jpg
17:09 sfan5 small tip: tinypic is absolutely terrible
17:10 tenplus1 ehehe
17:10 Krock offtopic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJq7fG9gDN8
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17:19 Calinou sorry, am running into more server issues due to /emergeblocks :P
17:19 Calinou one last step now, generating from Z 1216 to Z 2048
17:19 Calinou Fixer: peaceful, PvP is allowed though (but griefing isn't)
17:19 Calinou Fixer: I tweaked physics on my server: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/​683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7
17:20 Calinou sprinting is +30% speed, 20.0 units of stamina, but no jump height increase (default is +10%)
17:20 KaadmY Why is the setting called `movement_speed_crouch` but everywhere internally it's called sneaking
17:20 Calinou KaadmY: I have no idea… it's been called this way since at least 2015, heh
17:20 Calinou (checked with a Git blame)
17:21 Calinou walking is 4.5 nodes/s instead of 4 nodes/s (5.85 nodes/s when sprinting), and sneaking is 1.8 nodes/s (default is 1.35 nodes/s, I made it 40% of the walking speed)
17:21 Krock Calinou, you forgot movement_gravity = 3.69
17:22 Krock (as if you were on mars)
17:22 Calinou these physics overall feel better to play with
17:22 Calinou and you're faster, so traveling isn't as annoying
17:23 Calinou (that speed is similar to Minecraft, in fact you're a tiny bit faster)
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17:23 tenplus1 hi paramat
17:25 * KaadmY greets *
17:25 Calinou my world database now is 800 MB
17:25 Calinou I should set up automated backups for things on my VPS, uploading to my local NAS automatically or something
17:26 Calinou that should be possible using SFTP/rsync
17:26 Calinou but I need to make my NAS accessible from the Internet first, and haven't succeeded yet
17:26 Calinou port forwarding with this ISP is a mess, you do it on an *online* (ie. non-local) interface, and you need to restart the router at every change…
17:45 Calinou alright, the 4096×256×4096 area around the world origin is generated :)
17:46 Calinou a 8584×8584 map is being generated…
17:46 Calinou (the image)
17:46 Calinou the database is 956 MB
17:50 Fixer in Minecraft they can make a backup on the fly it seems, will be nice if minetest can do that too
17:51 Fixer Calinou: what Y-area you generated?
17:52 Fixer -100 to +156? :}
17:52 Fixer mt can generated at least two map blocks down, rarely three
17:52 Calinou -128 to 128
17:52 Fixer can generate*
17:52 Calinou seems reasonable to me
17:52 Fixer ok
17:52 Fixer yes
17:52 Fixer totally reasonable
17:53 Calinou (the server's block send/generate distance is 14, higher than the default which is 10)
17:53 Calinou the active block range is 4 (instead of 3), too
17:53 Calinou and block send optimization is disabled (ie. its value is set to 15, which is above the send distance)
17:53 Calinou Fixer: I need to check if the world (files + PostgreSQL database) can be backed up at runtime
17:53 Calinou if not, a daily restart is required :P
17:54 Fixer please read personal appeal of blablah: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/27
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17:54 Fixer Calinou: daily restart is needed anyway
17:54 Fixer at least once a day or few days
17:54 Fixer for maximum performance
17:54 Calinou I have plenty of RAM
17:54 Fixer Calinou: i will join your server after eating
17:55 Calinou :) there's no builds right now
17:55 Calinou I should build a spawn area
18:00 Calinou full map without any holes, this is beautiful… http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png
18:00 Calinou (12 MB, may be slow to load/zoom in)
18:03 rubenwardy nice
18:03 rubenwardy would be cool to be able to generate cartographic style maps
18:04 rubenwardy parts of it wouldn't be that hard
18:04 Calinou so I was looking for driver release notes on NVIDIA's site… http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/385.41/38​5.41-win10-win8-win7-desktop-release-notes.pdf
18:04 Calinou they make a 45-page PDF for every minor release?
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18:05 Calinou rubenwardy: once the map becomes huge, it could be split in 25 parts (for example)
18:05 Calinou or use Leaflet.js
18:05 Calinou also, I removed --zoom 2, this makes it smaller (9.7 MB instead of 12 MB), and much faster to zoom in
18:06 Calinou too bad that Firefox/Chrome's built-in image viewers do not have a way to force nearest-neighbor filtering
18:07 Calinou although… http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-crisp-edges
18:08 Calinou if I make an HTML page containing just the image (and possibly some JavaScript to aid navigation), then Firefox/Chrome/Safari/IE11 can have nearest interpolation
18:08 Calinou Edge can't, though :p
18:08 rubenwardy who cares about edge
18:08 Calinou not a lot of people, I guess
18:09 rubenwardy Chrome + Firefox is all you need
18:09 Calinou what's surprising is that it's supported in IE11 ;)
18:09 Calinou but not in Edge, and that's really weird
18:09 rubenwardy I mean, you should write nice standard CSS etc
18:10 rubenwardy and if it doesn't work in IE/Edge because it's too new then it's not something I care about
18:13 * rubenwardy 's site works in Lynx
18:16 benrob0329 rubenwardy: but does it work in w3m?
18:19 rubenwardy no idea
18:24 Fixer Calinou: ati driver press releases are like 100 lines in total
18:24 rubenwardy "bug fixes and performance improvements"
18:27 Fixer Calinou: looks like cheese
18:27 Fixer as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUMVq4pY94
18:35 nerzhul Calinou, 800 MB in your database ? little boy, my server has 10GB :p
18:35 nerzhul postgresql backup can be done when you want using pg_dump
18:35 nerzhul it's a transctional db
18:43 Fixer Calinou: default password: 123... wth?
18:45 Fixer can't use custom password?
18:46 Fixer Calinou: connected with 0.4.16 client: https://i.imgur.com/YL4MGM2.png
18:47 rubenwardy Fixer, you can change your password
18:48 Fixer okay
18:48 rubenwardy would be good to force clients to do that when a default password is set
18:48 Krock Fixer, set hud_scale to 1
18:48 rubenwardy even better, deprecate default_password and add server passwords instead
18:48 Krock we have an issue for that
18:48 rubenwardy (password to make an account)
18:48 Fixer Krock: ?
18:49 Krock Fixer, the wrong aligned bars. the hud scale setting causes this
18:49 Fixer Krock: i'm using default settings
18:50 Krock o.o
18:53 Fixer Krock: client 0.4.16, server is 0.4.17, where is 0.4.17 client btw?
18:53 tenplus1 it's hiding beneath 0.5.0
18:54 Krock there's no 0.4.17 server
18:54 Krock at least - not yet
18:57 sfan5 Krock: the stable-0.4 branch has a 0.4.17 verchange pushed which confused some people
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18:58 tenplus1 hi nate
19:00 Krock sfan5, oh interesting. I assumed there will be a 0.4.17 release similar dated with 0.5.0, just without the compat breaking commits
19:00 sfan5 >without breaking commits
19:00 sfan5 nah
19:01 Krock i.e. bugfixes
19:01 sfan5 it will only have a few fixes afaik
19:01 tenplus1 I still say we urge players to update to 0.5.0 when released
19:01 sfan5 of course
19:01 tenplus1 why 0.4.17 at all
19:03 Krock because logic.
19:03 tenplus1 lol
19:04 Krock players want to play on the old servers, that might need a while to update
19:07 tenplus1 then they stick with 0.4.16 until the mods are updated to 0.5.0
19:07 tenplus1 and all platforms can get the update
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19:11 tenplus1 wb
19:15 Sokomine the newer version is receiving less testing due to players sticking to the last working (on servers) release i'm afraid
19:15 Sokomine what updates will mods require, ten?
19:15 tenplus1 hi Sokomine, and yeah... if minetest-next was available to test with stable installed then it would be tested more
19:16 Sokomine there are some breaking changes. it's good that they're done now. just...makes testing more complicated
19:17 tenplus1 any testing will have to wait until final release
19:18 Sokomine i'm currently wondering about how to support hardware coloring in the moreblocks version of the circular saw. hardware coloring for these types of blocks would offer 8 colors per registered block. the original full block may have up to 256 colors. offering 16 diffrent stairlike nodes per full block and shape could be done, but..it is a bit excessive
19:19 tenplus1 indeed
19:19 tenplus1 I havent touched hardware colouring at all
19:19 Sokomine i wonder what a useful compromise might be. 256's far too much for that purpose. 8, 16 or (maybe) even 32 might be more sensible
19:19 Sokomine hardware coloring is a very nice feature
19:19 tenplus1 do we really need 256 colours at all... 32 is more than enough
19:19 Sokomine you don't have to use them. they come at no extra cost
19:20 tenplus1 heh
19:20 Sokomine just don't expect a stair for each shade of the color :-)
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19:21 tenplus1 hi thomas
19:21 Sokomine it's also a question about which palette to use. there are many diffrent ways to define colors
19:21 Megaf So I made an 8K 16:9 minimalistic wallpaper. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/MegafsPrismMin​imalisticWallpaper/raw/master/Prism-8K.png
19:21 bigfoot547 hey ThomasMonroe
19:21 Megaf I can render it in any resolution and aspect ration if you want a copy
19:21 ThomasMonroe hey bigfoot, and ten
19:22 tenplus1 hibogfoot
19:22 tenplus1 er... hi bigfoot
19:22 Sokomine hi :-)
19:23 bigfoot547 hey 11
19:26 paramat benrob0329 we don't have a dungeon API, if we did it wouldn't help your tardis much because the structures it generates would not be very flexible. schems are fast code so should not be too slow
19:31 Megaf I think nobody liked my wallpaper...
19:31 tenplus1 lol, already got a nice one :D
19:31 * tenplus1 is very particular
19:36 Megaf Made another one, a Christian one, quite proud of it. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wal​lpapers/src/master/Trindade.png
19:41 paramat Calinou "/emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks" it shouldn't, it only generates non-generated blocks
19:42 paramat but, it might generate in mapchunks at a time, so a safety margin of 80 or 112 may be needed
19:43 paramat but, mapgen only replaces ignore nodes ..
19:50 Sokomine Megaf: hm. can't see your first link. but i'm not much into wallpapers. post it on the forum. the offtopic people will be glad :-)
19:51 paramat maybe i'm wrong
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19:51 tenplus1 hi caleb
19:51 Megaf Sokomine, http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wallpapers
19:51 Megaf there
19:51 CalebDavis hi ten
19:52 paramat description = "Load (or, if nonexistent, generate) map blocks "
19:54 nerzhul emerge block only load block and if not generated, generate
19:54 Megaf I'm making a sunflower wallpaper now
19:58 tenplus1 nite all o/
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20:28 Calinou paramat: well, it wasted its time on existing areas here
20:28 Calinou when I ran it again on the same area
20:28 Calinou (ie. it didn't go any faster)
20:28 Fixer Calinou: probably generated underground areas
20:28 Fixer and air
20:28 Calinou nah, I put the same boundaries
20:29 rubenwardy emerge loads blocks as well as generating
20:29 rubenwardy so it depends on the difference in time between generating vs loading
20:31 Calinou https://hastebin.com/aketonumod.txt :|
20:31 Calinou why is multiarch still broken in 2017
20:31 Calinou compiling for 32-bit Linux on a 64-bit Ubuntu is a nightmare because of thiqs
20:31 Calinou -q
20:32 Calinou (trying to look if it's realistically doable to automate 32-bit Linux builds for Godot, with GitLab CI)
20:32 Calinou (because no matter what you do, people *will* ask for them…)
20:33 Calinou I'll do just 64-bit for now, and copy the 64-bit templates as 32-bit ones (so that Godot doesn't complain)
20:33 Calinou #evilplan
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21:09 benrob0329 Megaf: it was nice, both of them. Just not my taste :P
21:10 benrob0329 paramat: alright
21:25 rdococ odd
21:26 rdococ when I use wine to run minetest, it gets opened as a zombie process
21:26 rdococ wait
21:26 rdococ there are two processes named minetest.exe
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21:39 rubenwardy > use wine to run minetest
21:39 rubenwardy O_o
21:43 sfan5 it works better than you might expect
21:44 Megaf benrob0329, what's your taste like?
21:44 Megaf I actually used to run a game called IL-2 under wine
21:45 Megaf and another one that I dont remember the name
21:45 Megaf ran better than on windows
21:45 Megaf not because wine was good, not because the GPU driver was good on Linux, but because Windows really sucked
21:45 Megaf Windows came a long way and is much better now
21:46 Megaf while Linux had just regression on top of regression
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