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00:07 benrob0329 Megaf: right now I have a space/stars type background on my desktop, and a glowing Suzanne (blender monkey thing) on my laptop
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00:53 Aerozoic rubenwardy, yeah i use wine to run minetest if i need to copy/paste something since linux version doesn't allow it for some reason.
01:10 benrob0329 Copy/paste has always worked for me
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04:49 * benrob0329 shamelessly states that he has created a Minds account, because its an open source YouTube alternative and /me is also putting all his videos on it https://www.minds.com/benrob0329
05:39 benrob0329 I need to start putting the video titles in the videos themselves, Minds assumes that you do because you have to use part of the video as the thumbnail.
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07:23 rdococ moo.
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07:28 tenplus1 hi folks
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07:30 tenplus1 hi lisac
07:33 rdococ hi tenplus1
07:33 tenplus1 hi rdococ
07:33 rdococ I hope you evaluate to 11 or the world has gone mad
07:33 tenplus1 lol
07:33 tenplus1 the world has already gone mad, too late
07:33 rdococ oh
07:33 rdococ ...okay
07:33 rdococ :P
07:34 tenplus1 am thinking of how to make Mobs Redo spider jump at player and climb walls...
07:35 sofar rdococ: back to building you
07:35 tenplus1 hi sofar
07:35 sofar tenplus1: how far did you get on Inside the Box?
07:36 tenplus1 I played the tutorial levels 1 by 1... lemmie sign on and check
07:36 sofar saw you logged on, didn't see how far you got
07:36 sofar we added 2 new boxes to the "master series" ... amazingly good levels
07:37 sofar someone spent 5hrs on one of the levels
07:37 rdococ lol
07:37 tenplus1 tutorial level part 8
07:37 sofar ah pretty good, almost at the end of the tutorial for now then
07:37 tenplus1 I like the puzzles, but hiding a button near a fall is sneaky
07:37 sofar seems the tutorial is difficult enough I might consider making it slightly easier
07:38 sofar you can get to that one without falling :)
07:38 sofar although my son just suicide jumped to get it
07:38 sofar lol
07:38 sofar "that's one way to do it"
07:39 tenplus1 was the easiest way :D
07:39 rdococ lol
07:39 sofar aight, bedtime for real now
07:39 tenplus1 o/
07:48 lisac hey tenplus1
07:48 lisac tenplus1, seeing that your server uses toolranks, I'd really hate to change stuff without asking you. Have you seen the code this random person posted on my forum post?
07:49 tenplus1 yeah I saw it earlier...  personally level 6 is fine, we dont wanna OP tools so they never break... but the choice is yours
07:50 lisac hm you are right. Tools still need to spend some materials for repair. If they spend too little, they become OPed.
07:51 lisac what about raising the node count?
07:52 tenplus1 that would be fine :) dont want it to be too easy now... digging 1200 nodes for level 6 tools is kinda easy
07:52 tenplus1 or is it 2400...lol
07:52 benrob0329 tenplus1: I've started posting to minds.com
07:53 benrob0329 Also i'm up way too late but whatevs
07:53 tenplus1 ehehe hi benrob... what's minds.com ?
07:53 benrob0329 An open source social media/content sharing site
07:54 benrob0329 That isnt blockchain based
07:56 tenplus1 they are ?
07:56 tenplus1 never knew
07:56 benrob0329 \>isn't
08:02 benrob0329 Gonna work on the rest of the videos sometime tomorrow
08:02 tenplus1 checking it out now...
08:03 benrob0329 Got the first 3 *shudder*
08:03 benrob0329 That high pitched voice..its just awful
08:04 tenplus1 watching "Drug War Exposed"
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08:05 benrob0329 Alright, gnight
08:06 tenplus1 hi raven
08:06 tenplus1 nite ben
08:23 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD6QTAb1SHE
08:25 lisac tenplus1, https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-toolranks/​commit/923fb61054791376e05a12e3a511fd0a37560e93
08:27 tenplus1 kewl thanks :) will update xanadu today with new levels
08:33 tenplus1 why not add a special enchantment item you can use to make tools infinite
08:34 rdococ yey
08:34 rdococ an anvil would be cool
08:34 rdococ you'd be able to take a tool or armor, and the material it uses, and smelt them to get a repaired tool
08:34 tenplus1 lisac: something super hard to craft, takes forever to get items needed, place in crafting 1st with tool next and changes level to 100 which level check interprits as NO WEAR
08:35 rdococ lol
08:35 lisac hmm
08:35 tenplus1 yeah rdococ, we do need an anvil to place items like tools and armor we can repair with simple ingots and diamonds etc
08:35 lisac not sure that is a good idea.
08:35 lisac Maybe call it 'limited tool'?
08:35 rdococ lava sword
08:35 lisac and make it possible to craft max of 1000 of those.
08:35 rdococ very strong, but only one hit before it melts
08:36 lisac tenplus1, if you make something rare and very useful, you simply ask for grinding those materials.
08:36 rdococ true
08:36 lisac ex. players only searching for them
08:37 rdococ and it would become rare no longer
08:37 tenplus1 hrm, something that gives progression to the game
08:37 rdococ something that gets rarer to find as time goes on?
08:38 tenplus1 that would be ideal
08:38 tenplus1 I did that with crystal spikes in ethereal, but too many players know how to farm them now :D
08:38 rdococ even if that spurs people into grinding a lot of it early on, once the supply from that can't meet the demand, the number of that item will drop by a lot
08:39 lisac tenplus1, I had a great idea a while ago
08:39 lisac add 'reskins' basically tools which look different
08:39 tenplus1 do tell
08:40 lisac they are colored very differently
08:40 lisac and probably based of a single tool
08:40 lisac like a diamond pickaxe but purple colored
08:40 tenplus1 xdecor does that with enchantment table... it's limited in it's own ways
08:40 rdococ mw ha ha! your purple diamond sword is no match for my red diamond sword!
08:40 lisac yes: but these aren't craftable
08:41 lisac you need to find them in chests inside dungeons.
08:41 lisac and there are sets.
08:41 lisac for example purple-red set
08:41 rdococ idea: gold karat system.
08:41 rdococ low-karat gold would be easier to find than high-karat gold
08:42 lisac rdococ, I'd rather just make players able to 'purify' gold
08:42 rdococ lol, I like how so many people misspell it as carrot
08:42 lisac using smelting or something.
08:42 rdococ lisac: what would pure gold do though?
08:42 lisac it looks nice
08:42 rdococ that it? :P
08:43 lisac gold does nothing in MT anyways. :D
08:43 tenplus1 gold is used for many things in my mods...
08:43 rdococ what would be cool is combining gold with a white metal to get electrum
08:43 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
08:43 tenplus1 protectors, potions, regen foods
08:43 rdococ electrum would be more durable than the white metal, and stronger than gold
08:43 lisac tenplus1, these, basically: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Decorated
08:44 tenplus1 but yeah, we need a way to SMELT ores...
08:44 rdococ also, using a furnace to cook food is a little overkill :P
08:45 lisac add ovens which can cook only food items, but multiple at once
08:45 Raven262 And require water to cook stuff
08:45 Raven262 also salt
08:45 rdococ ooh
08:45 tenplus1 https://www.wfp.org/sites/default/f​iles/imagecache/content_page_splash​/SUD_20101029_WFP-Pia_Skjels_2.jpg
08:45 rdococ customizable sandwiches with metadata
08:46 Raven262 :O
08:46 tenplus1 clay pots or skjels
08:46 lisac hey tenplus1 why not make farming_plus spend water
08:46 tenplus1 spend water ? how u mean
08:46 lisac like, take the node of water which made the soil wet and remove it
08:46 Raven262 how about limiting the water so it can be depleted when not inside the original source?
08:46 lisac then prevent water replicating
08:46 rdococ ooh
08:47 lisac and you've made a water a rare resource
08:47 lisac which is nice, right?
08:47 rdococ ooooOOOOoooOOOoh
08:47 Raven262 water pump + barrels for transport
08:47 tenplus1 many players use permanent water sources... cant take that away from them
08:47 lisac permanent water sources take away the fun :P
08:47 rdococ tenplus1: wouldn't mind it in a subgame
08:47 rdococ in fact, I think I suggested this a while back
08:47 tenplus1 I could make a watering can you need to use on soil to keep it wet... add a timer to soil so it goes dry again... but that woudl lag game
08:47 lisac and add a water cart, which stores water
08:48 Raven262 basically, same thing that factorio has
08:48 rdococ also, pipeworks
08:48 lisac nonono just take away the water when the plant starts growing.
08:48 Raven262 combine with advtrains....
08:48 lisac 1 water == 1 plant
08:48 lisac combined with ways of transporting water...
08:49 Raven262 We don't have any liquid resources in minetest, except for lava. And lava is transported in the buckets
08:49 rdococ what I really want is to change water's physics
08:49 Raven262 water is quite useless in default
08:49 rdococ I might make a subgame
08:50 rdococ where water is unrenewable
08:50 tenplus1 that's easily changes
08:50 rdococ true
08:50 Raven262 like lava on xanadu :P
08:50 tenplus1 yeah :)
08:50 tenplus1 and laval spread
08:50 tenplus1 I limited that to 3 nodes only
08:51 tenplus1 water needs to spread in a stream (a line), not outward 6 blocks... that's weird... also fallign water onto water shouldnt spread but go straight down
08:51 Raven262 so i can't make a tunnel and get lava flow elsewhere?
08:53 rdococ does pipeworks have support for lava in pipes?
08:53 tenplus1 I think so
08:53 tenplus1 any liquids
08:54 rdococ I once tried creating finite water...
08:54 rdococ (in the core)
08:54 rdococ kinda worked, but not really
08:56 tenplus1 it liquids flow in steps, node by node instead of spreading...e.g.   water starts as water_source and spreads in a line 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 in height
08:56 tenplus1 not outwards
08:57 rdococ I did create a finite water lua mod once
08:57 rdococ think it worked except for a few minor bus
08:57 rdococ bugs
08:58 tenplus1 very server intensive though
08:59 rdococ I also modified the minetest core once to try and add finite water there
08:59 rdococ it kinda worked...wait, I already said this :P
08:59 tenplus1 ehehe
08:59 rdococ it would be cool, though, to modify the liquid flow we already have
09:00 tenplus1 my main argument is spreading on actual water, it shouldnt do that at all
09:00 rdococ my idea was simple: water should only flow around if there was air, or water of a lower level than it, nearby
09:00 rdococ as in, flow around and decrease level by one
09:01 rdococ if not, then the ordinary water flowing operation would be skipped
09:04 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIRD9sMBU0 minecraft water physics
09:05 rdococ ik what minecraft water physics are
09:05 rdococ I just think that we shouldn't restrict minetest's water physics to the same thing
09:05 rdococ sure, maybe have an option for it, but this is minetest
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09:48 tenplus1 wb
09:48 nerzhul hi
09:49 tenplus1 hi nrz
09:55 rdococ hi ppl
09:56 tenplus1 o/
10:01 rdococ hm...
10:01 * rdococ is still thinking about the unrenewable water thing
10:02 rdococ Rather than having a white dye, you'd have to craft dyed wool with a bucket of water to get white wool again (and the empty bucket back, of course).
10:02 tenplus1 sounds good
10:03 rdococ I don't think we need a thirst system, because if we're going to have a hunger mod too, we'd need the water to grow crops anyway.
10:03 tenplus1 yeah, and humans get some of there water needs through food anyhoo
10:03 rdococ true
10:18 rdococ we could go one step further and force players to smelt the water to get clean water for growing crops
10:19 tenplus1 cook the water to return pure water and salt as biproduct :)
10:19 rdococ yeah
10:25 lisac hey tenplus1 hoppers won't work on Xanadu
10:25 lisac they just take items into the hopper from the chest above
10:26 lisac but won't place it into furnace
10:26 tenplus1 checking
10:27 tenplus1 working fine here... am at arena
10:28 lisac can you tp me? :D
10:35 tenplus1 :P
10:39 rdococ hm
10:39 rdococ should I copy minetest_game and then make modifications to each mod, then?
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10:40 tenplus1 if you are making your own subgame then yeah, it's a good start...  drop minetest_game folder into your local games one and rename it before editing
10:42 rdococ yeah
10:43 rdococ that's what I'm doing
10:43 tenplus1 only thing with that though is you gotta keep up with all the latest changes in minetest_game and apply them to your subgame when needed...
10:43 rdococ true
10:44 rdococ at least I have the latest minetest_game for sure (I recompiled MT recently so I could use 0.4.17-stable instead of 0.5.0-dev.)
10:46 rdococ does the mech mod from insidethebox store relative position, then?
10:48 tenplus1 no idea, havent checked code for that yet
10:49 rdococ huh, found a way to easily create cool-looking embossed text
10:51 Shara All fixable compatibility issues between caverealms and CRL should now be fixed, in case anyone was thinking of switching to CRL.
10:52 tenplus1 hi shara
10:52 Shara hi :P
10:53 tenplus1 what compatibility issues ?
10:53 Shara There were a few unknowns from the gems/spikes still
10:53 Shara But added aliases now
10:53 tenplus1 oh, when switching between versions
10:54 Shara I can't do anything about the mapgen part of course
10:55 Shara Switching from old caverealms cave generation back to the server's normal mapgen might create weirdness
10:55 tenplus1 lol
10:55 Shara (but how many maps don't have some weirdness anyway?)
10:56 tenplus1 so true... especially with flight mapgen changes
10:56 tenplus1 *slight
10:58 rdococ lol
10:59 rdococ I've copied minetest_game to a new folder, given it a new header and modified the icon, and stuff.
11:00 rdococ At the moment, the only change is that water is no longer infinitely renewable.
11:00 Shara what else will you change?
11:00 rdococ Crops from the farming mod will absorb one node of water when they start growing.
11:00 Shara If it's only things like that, it would be easier to make a mod with overrides
11:01 rdococ True.
11:01 Shara Easier to maintain :P
11:01 tenplus1 yup
11:01 rdococ should I use register_node(":default:water_source", {stuff}) then?
11:01 rdococ I only want to modify some properties, so override_node would be a bit of a hassle.
11:02 tenplus1 minetest.override_item(node, stuff)
11:02 rdococ Isn't there a way to override a node without having to specify every property again?
11:02 tenplus1 you dont have to specify all properties, only the item you wanna change
11:03 tenplus1 minetest.override_item("default:lava_flowing", {liquid_renewable = true, liquid_range = 3})
11:03 rdococ oh...
11:03 Shara Isn't it going to get really annoying over time if you do that with water and crops, so that eventually whole seas get drained?
11:04 Shara Or will you have another method to introduce new water?
11:04 rdococ true
11:04 rdococ hm
11:04 rdococ see, the idea is to make water an actual resource
11:04 Shara then you need rain that actually... rains?
11:05 rdococ hm
11:05 Shara Maybe use a weather mod, and if you can detect when a weather type starts/ends, that's the ohnly time water is renewable?
11:05 Shara only*
11:05 rdococ maybe, but meh
11:06 rdococ I don't know of a good way to make water a resource you have to actually obtain when the world has whole oceans of the stuff
11:06 Shara Well, yea... But this is why it is renewable by default :P
11:06 Shara Use a mapgen that has river water...
11:06 Shara Normal wate ris seawater, therefore salt water
11:06 Shara water is*
11:07 rdococ that is true
11:07 tenplus1 you could amend farming to need river_water_source to grow
11:07 rdococ yeah, I was thinking of that
11:07 Shara river water isn't renwable ither though
11:07 Shara renewable*
11:07 rdococ and maybe you'd be able to smelt sea water into real water, or would that make the resource too common?
11:07 Shara So you still have the first problem.
11:08 Shara You'll run the rivers dry if farming consumes water and there is no new river water
11:08 rdococ true, but not if you can smelt sea water to get river water
11:08 Shara But if rain makes river water renew, you'd get an interesting flooding mechanic as well maybe... so you'd start wanting rain, but not too much
11:11 rdococ I have a weather mod, but the rain there depends on where you are - it might be raining where you are, but not where someone else is, for example
11:11 rdococ I could use an ABM only targeting flowing river water blocks that are nearby source blocks, though.
11:11 Calinou hi
11:11 tenplus1 hi cal
11:11 Calinou I had a driving exam this morning, but I'm not confident about the outcome
11:12 rdococ (the ABM is so that I can control the river water to only renew in the areas it's raining)
11:12 tenplus1 dont worry dude, you'll get better :)
11:12 Shara Best of luck Calinou :)
11:12 Calinou thanks
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11:29 tenplus1 hi caleb
11:30 CalebDavis hi ten
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11:32 tenplus1 hi thomas
11:32 rdococ his name is eleven, not ten, caleb
11:32 ThomasMonroe hi ten
11:32 CalebDavis XD
11:48 rdococ lol
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11:50 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:52 Fixer Hey-Hey! *,.,,,.,,*
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11:56 tenplus1 hi Megaf
12:01 rdococ hi people of minetest
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12:16 tenplus1 hi DS
12:16 DS-minetest hi
12:18 rdococ yay
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12:20 tenplus1 hi cx384
12:20 cx384 hi tenplus1
12:22 rdococ hi eleven and hi cx384
12:23 DS-minetest hi 11, hi rdococ and hi cx384
12:25 rdococ hi DeeEss-MinetestCore, hi NinePlus2, hi cxThreeHundredAndEightyFour
12:27 rdococ I'll be on the insidethebox server. yay.
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12:27 tenplus1 hi Jordach
12:28 DS-minetest hi Jordach
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12:38 cx384 hi all
12:39 tenplus1 hi CWz
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12:51 srifqi hi
12:51 srifqi Can anybody guides me how to cross-compile Minetest from Ubuntu on Windows to Windows 64-bit?
12:52 tenplus1 hi srifqi, no idea... sorry
12:53 srifqi Just from any linux distros to Windows?
12:54 srifqi Found a page on Minetest Dev Wiki: Compiling Minetest
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12:54 tenplus1 hi ruben
12:54 srifqi rubenwardy?
12:56 srifqi Maybe I just need to give buildbot64.sh a try.
13:01 rdococ hi
13:06 srifqi hi rdococ
13:06 rdococ hi srandomgibberish
13:19 srifqi s-rifqi, is that so hard?
13:26 rdococ s-rith-see?
13:41 srifqi s-rif-qi
13:41 srifqi See my signature on MT Forum.
13:41 Calinou srifqi: it very likely is possible to compile from WSL to Windows, but it's less hacky if you do it directly from Windows with MinGW :P
13:41 srifqi How?
13:42 srifqi I mean, I'm being very confused. :(
13:42 Calinou read: use http://www.msys2.org/
13:42 Calinou (WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux)
13:43 srifqi I already installed it. Then what?
13:44 srifqi I installed it because I need it for compiling with gtk.
13:45 Calinou wait, I'm trying to figure out building Minetest from MSYS2, having trouble with OpenGL libraries as usual :|
13:45 srifqi "g++.exe (Rev1, Built by MSYS2 project) 6.1.0
13:45 srifqi "
13:47 srifqi I was running buildbot64.sh on Ubuntu on Windows until it stopped because my GCC compiler version was 4.8.
13:49 Calinou srifqi: if you use the Creators Update, you can upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04
13:49 Calinou alternatively, just swap your Ubuntu for an Arch Linux :) https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl
13:50 srifqi Is it?
13:50 srifqi How to upgrade?
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13:53 Calinou srifqi: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/upg​rade-bash-windows-10-ubuntu-16-04-lts
13:53 Calinou hmm
13:53 Calinou that's for Anniversay Updater
13:53 Calinou -r
13:54 Calinou on the Creators Update, it is the default version (if you have a new WSL) or if you upgraded from the Anniversary Update, you just do "sudo do-release-upgrade", IIRC
13:54 Calinou not 100% sure, double-check!
13:54 srifqi I've already installed Creators Update.
13:54 Calinou http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/wi​ndows-10-linux-subsystem-ubuntu-16-04
13:54 Calinou "sudo do-release-upgrade" should work
13:54 srifqi How to check Ubuntu version? (^_^")\
13:55 rdococ hm
13:55 rdococ if I want to activate a mesecon effector from a lua script, what is the best way to do it?
13:55 rdococ I've found an internal 'mesecon.activate' function, but is there a better way?
13:58 srifqi Calinou, run "sudo do-release-upgrade". Still working....
13:58 Calinou srifqi: it'll take a while, it downloads and installs a lot of packages
13:58 Calinou srifqi: to check your Ubuntu version, it's "lsb_release -a" by the way
13:59 srifqi :O Okay, it was on Ubuntu 14 LTS
14:00 tenplus1 bit old
14:01 srifqi Probably because IDK how to upgrade. (^_^")\
14:02 rdococ hm
14:03 srifqi Have no idea about mesecon in lua.
14:04 rdococ meh
14:04 rdococ should I just call the action_on?
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14:05 srifqi Woah 330 MB.
14:05 tenplus1 wb nrz
14:06 tenplus1 srifqi: what you up to ?
14:06 Calinou 330 MB is tiny for a distro upgrade
14:06 Calinou it's much smaller than an Ubuntu desktop, because the WSL only has CLI components
14:06 tenplus1 ooh, you updating to 16.04.3 ?
14:06 srifqi But for my connection speed, is, ....
14:06 srifqi ... taking an hour.
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14:07 tenplus1 o/ cx
14:08 rdococ moo
14:08 cx384 tenplus1 \o
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14:12 tenplus1 wb DS
14:13 DS-minetest thx
14:13 DS-minetest hi
14:15 * tenplus1 is putting MoreBlocks Lite on Xanadu
14:16 tenplus1 https://funnyjunk.com/channel/Wholes​omeMemes/Smash+the+sadness/DhpsLQu/
14:32 Calinou https://i.imgur.com/rgzfUsc.png
14:32 Calinou time to add this to Minetest? ;)
14:33 tenplus1 lolol
14:33 rdococ yey
14:33 rdococ lol
14:34 DS-minetest hm, it could already be done with a mod
14:34 * tenplus1 has parachute mod :P
14:35 DS-minetest i mean captcha against bots
14:35 tenplus1 ehehehe
14:39 rdococ hm
14:41 Calinou https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/437
14:41 Calinou this code very fast
14:41 Calinou remove empty characters
14:41 Fixer remove
14:43 tenplus1 why have ppl thumbed this up ?!?!?!
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14:59 IhrFussel Hey guys
14:59 tenplus1 hi fussel
15:00 CWz good morrow everybody!
15:00 tenplus1 o/
15:05 benrob0329 Calinou: thanks for that, now I have a minetest PR to make...
15:07 Calinou benrob0329: gotta make those GitHub squares on your profile green ;)
15:08 rdococ lol
15:15 tenplus1 what's the pull for ?
15:16 benrob0329 Making the code faster by removing whitespace ofc
15:16 tenplus1 lolololol
15:16 benrob0329 How else would you do it?
15:17 rdococ simple
15:17 rdococ convert it into machine code
15:17 rdococ then we can modify the machine code to update the core
15:17 rdococ saves having to compile every time
15:17 rdococ :P
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15:21 srifqi lol
15:32 srifqi Downloading done.
15:33 srifqi Upgrading...
15:33 tenplus1 sweet :P
15:33 tenplus1 you upgrading to 16.04.3 ?
15:39 tenplus1 is anyone here using linux with a baytrail cpu ??
15:56 Jordach "Atom"
15:56 tenplus1 hi Jordach, atom here also but my other desky is baytrail
15:58 tenplus1 their is an issue with state swapping that freezes Os at times...
16:11 Calinou heh, I asked a question in #sharex 6 hours ago, nobody replied
16:11 Calinou 79 users :|
16:11 Calinou in fact, nobody even said anything since I joined that channel
16:11 Calinou (other than me)=
16:11 Calinou -=
16:13 sfan5 i know that feel
16:14 Calinou [crickets]
16:15 Jordach me_irl
16:29 * benrob0329 works on uploading videos to minds.com
16:30 rdococ hi
16:30 rdococ .
16:30 * rdococ needs hugs
16:31 * benrob0329 hands rdococ an animal to hug
16:33 * tenplus1 hugs rdococ with nettles
16:34 * rdococ hugs everyone with kittens
16:34 tenplus1 noooo, the kittens are getting stung by nettles
16:38 tenplus1 Xanadu server has been updated, now has latest toolranks update, is using moreblocks lite mod and a few mob tweaks
16:40 rdococ my new trigger mod has buttons which use node timers, so they won't remain in the pushed state if the server restarts while they're pushed
16:44 tenplus1 kewl
16:45 tenplus1 am watching a video about early crossover compatibility with old computers like amiga/atari and their games... was novel at the time before modems n such
16:52 rdococ eventually I want to hook the system up to mesecons so it can receive and send mesecon signals
16:52 rdococ at the moment, it can send them - just not receive them
16:52 rdococ (so you can activate a piston, but not use a mesecon button to send a trigger)
16:55 * rdococ proceeds to modify minetest.swap_node to activate an on_swap callback
16:55 rdococ unsurprisingly doesn't work :P
16:55 rdococ wait
16:57 tenplus1 did you replace minetest.swap_node function ?
16:57 rdococ yes
16:57 tenplus1 has anyone heard of the FriendUP operating system for the cloud ??
16:58 Calinou back in our day, we said "enemy down"…
16:58 Calinou why "friend up"? :D
16:58 rdococ which works... except for the pressure plate, for some reason
16:59 tenplus1 lol cal
16:59 rdococ which doesn't even call on_swap?
16:59 tenplus1 am hearing more and more about this FriendUP OS that can share resources and data streams between pc's all around the world
17:02 rdococ DeuteragonistLEFT
17:02 rdococ FrenemyRIGHT
17:02 tenplus1 lol
17:02 tenplus1 DiagonalOS 1.1
17:02 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xif4Lb-SZAo
17:03 rdococ DiagonalOS should have diagonal windows
17:04 tenplus1 diamond windows... genuis...  would help with my neck crick
17:04 rdococ I should probably create my own set of buttons etc. though
17:04 tenplus1 ignore that last link, here's the better one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:05 rdococ and leave interfacing with mesecons to special mesecon nodes
17:05 tenplus1 custom controls for custom mod :)
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17:05 tenplus1 wb nrz
17:05 rdococ ..wait, an OS about friends?
17:05 rdococ hah! should have called it IRC!
17:05 rdococ or skype or something
17:05 tenplus1 a cloud based Os that works on all platform, runs the same on all platforms (for testing) , can share resources from user pc's etc
17:06 rdococ ...actually doesn't sound bad
17:06 tenplus1 personally I think it's the start of Skynet and the human race is doomed :P
17:06 rdococ lol
17:07 Calinou I thought we already had an OS about friends… http://www.ponyos.org/
17:07 tenplus1 lolol
17:07 Calinou in fact, it's an OS for everypony
17:07 Calinou hey, you can play Quake in it, it's not so bad
17:07 tenplus1 yes, and doom
17:07 tenplus1 shows in the video
17:09 tenplus1 I like the idea of it... everything connects seamlessly for web developers, programmers, all software runs on any friendOs platform etc...   it's kinda like the gnu linux of today
17:11 Calinou >every time a site supports HTTPS, but does not redirect to it
17:11 Calinou [cringe]
17:11 tenplus1 ooh, not good
17:11 Calinou (the aforementioned PonyOS website supports HTTPS, I just manually tested :P)
17:11 rdococ dude, https?
17:11 tenplus1 is POnyOs linux based ?
17:11 rdococ they should have switched to the much more secure xhttps
17:11 rdococ dammit, site owners, keep up with the times
17:11 rdococ :P
17:12 tenplus1 even my ancient website (written in notepad) was xhttp compliant :P
17:12 Calinou haha, directory listing is allowed: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:12 Calinou tenplus1: nah, it's an OS from scratch, based on ToaruOS, another OS from the same person (PonyOS is just a rebrand)
17:12 Calinou tenplus1: XHTML, not XHTTPS :p
17:12 Calinou XHTTPS is just a typo rdococ made, I called it "Extreme HTTPS" or something
17:13 rdococ but XHTTPS is a good abbreviation
17:13 tenplus1 looks pretty :PPP
17:14 rdococ lol
17:15 tenplus1 I can see a few new Os' make an appearance to grab the publics attention over winblows and mac
17:16 tenplus1 if I get the idea of FriendUP Os, 100 players can be using Minetest connected to a single server on 1 pc and it shares resources from all 100 systems to run server :) cpu/gpu/mem
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17:21 tenplus1 hi Krock
17:23 Krock hi tenplus1
17:25 tenplus1 Krock: whaddya think of this: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:25 tenplus1 no no... wrong link. ahhahahah, this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:26 Krock nice assets
17:26 tenplus1 lol
17:27 tenplus1 https://friendup.cloud/features/ <-- prolly a better idea of what it is... my bad
17:28 Calinou http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou/
17:28 Calinou there, made a small HTML page for viewing the map
17:28 Krock well, an OS cloud is a great idea if you have a fast internet connection
17:28 Krock otherwise it's not really helpful
17:28 Calinou it just provides crisp edges (IE11/Firefox/Chrome), and a dark background during loading
17:28 Calinou you can zoom in, pixels stay sharp :P
17:28 tenplus1 nicely done Cal
17:29 Krock wow. a 10 MiB map. *loads slowly*
17:29 Krock 1/3 loaded
17:29 Calinou yeah
17:29 Calinou I'm thinking about writing my own Leaflet-like thing, maybe
17:29 Calinou just for fun
17:29 Calinou splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate display…
17:30 Calinou rotating the map display, maybe, too
17:30 Krock needs more trees
17:32 Calinou funny issue of the day: https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom/issues/486
17:32 tenplus1 lolol
17:32 Calinou turns out Freedoomguy uses fries as shotgun ammo
17:35 rdococ does he shoot them into his mouth to eat quickly?
17:36 tenplus1 om nom nom nom... doom slaper +10 hp
17:36 tenplus1 *slayer
17:36 Raven262 Doomguy can carry some 100 rockets in his backpack and that was never an issue.
17:36 tenplus1 hi raven
17:36 Raven262 Hi ten
17:37 rdococ HIS NAME IS ELEVEN!!!
17:37 Raven262 Just found out that is was logged out.
17:37 Raven262 No, he is ten, one was not yet added in the time of his nick's creation.
17:40 tenplus1 o.O
17:41 * tenplus1 hides in null space
17:43 Calinou I tweaked my ShareX setup so that screenshots/GIFs are automatically uploaded to my server via SFTP, and optimized first using oxipng :)
17:44 Calinou hi Raven262 :)
17:55 IhrFussel Well hello there random server crashing bug that was triggered by Server::SendMovePlayer(unsigned short) ... I had this bug for a while now and the worst is it only happens when I'm NOT running the debug build
17:55 tenplus1 ??
17:57 IhrFussel tenplus1, random movement/position segfault ... SOMETHING must report a non-existent position for a player and everything crashes...it happened right after teleporting to a player so it definitely is about movement
17:59 tenplus1 erk
17:59 IhrFussel I had this random segfault for months now...it happens completely random...sometimes it happens several times a day...but it could also not happen for a week or so (like now it happened after ~ 1 week again)
17:59 tenplus1 issue ahoy
17:59 IhrFussel The devs already told me that there's nothing they can do without debug info...and I wasn't able to reproduce it with a debug build yet
18:00 IhrFussel I tried a few times already and it never happened in the debug version
18:00 tenplus1 same with that damned serialize.h error we have on server... cant track the damn thing and far too random for debug
18:02 IhrFussel I heard that it's possible that the debug builds run too slow to cause the crashes
18:02 tenplus1 I wouldnt be surprised...
18:02 IhrFussel I mean if it's caused by race conditions those may never happened in debug mode
18:02 IhrFussel happen*
18:03 benrob0329 (Offtopic) Video on the history of Linux: https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/631518860628992008
18:03 tenplus1 thx benrob
18:03 IhrFussel tenplus1, I also had that serialize.h bug in the past...updating MT fixed it for some reasons...or it was fixed by updating a faulty mod
18:04 tenplus1 we dont have it as frequently as before which is great, but it does happen and reset server...  cant track the damned thing down
18:11 IhrFussel I thought mods couldn't cause segfaults, but they certainly can...I provoked one myself by putting a file handler in the on_use callback of a tool ... when someone dug extremely fast it caused a segfault
18:13 IhrFussel As soon as I removed that file handler again the segfaults stopped, so it's 100% evidence of mods causing segfaults
18:14 tenplus1 problem is no errors appear to figure what's causing them in the mod
18:14 tenplus1 or entity
18:14 benrob0329 Or of each callback needing its own thread
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18:17 tenplus1 wb behalebabo
18:18 behalebabo ty
18:18 IhrFussel AFAIK all Lua callbacks run in the same thread so nothing runs parallel...right?
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18:20 tenplus1 wb caleb
18:20 CalebDavis thc
18:20 CalebDavis thx^
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18:33 tenplus1 hi paramat
18:35 rdococ hi eleven and paramat
18:35 lisac hey tenplus1, I'm back
18:35 tenplus1 o/
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18:36 tenplus1 hi celeron
18:36 lisac hey celeron55
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18:36 Raven262 o/ Calinou
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18:36 tenplus1 hi bigfoot
18:36 Raven262 I've been cooking dinner, took a while to get back to pc
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18:36 tenplus1 anything nice ?
18:37 rubenwardy Calinou, I've seen Minetest maps similar to that
18:37 rubenwardy <Calinou> splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate display…
18:37 lisac is it just me? https://imgur.com/xjHP376
18:37 rubenwardy just you
18:37 tenplus1 am in forum just now
18:37 lisac great
18:37 lisac it's back now
18:38 rubenwardy well, at least I'm not getting that
18:38 Calinou rubenwardy: yeah, MTSatellite, but it looks "shoddy" in design to me :|
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18:42 rubenwardy Calinou, https://minetest.rbose.org/
18:42 rubenwardy that's leaflet right?
18:42 tenplus1 nice
18:43 tenplus1 http://vps1.jjayr.com/mt/mt02-xanadu2016/map
18:44 rubenwardy ah, tenplus1's link includes sources
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18:44 tenplus1 wb shara
18:45 Calinou rubenwardy: yep
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18:45 Calinou that one isn't too bad
18:45 tenplus1 hi unk
18:50 benrob0329 rubenwardy: woah
18:50 benrob0329 It's snappy, even on a phone
18:50 benrob0329 Take that, Google maps!
18:50 tenplus1 lol
18:51 Fixer hmmhmhmmhmhmhmhm
18:52 Fixer Microsoft Anna Text to Speech thing is quite impressive, I've generated tons of ogg-vorbis files of audiotext that I was too lazy to read about computer history from a blog
18:53 tenplus1 handy
18:53 benrob0329 Fixer: isnt that what festival and the like do?
18:53 Fixer yes
18:53 Fixer same thing
18:54 benrob0329 Then why are you using one from Microsoft :^)
18:54 Fixer windows 7
18:54 benrob0329 Ew
18:54 Fixer 13 hours of text
18:55 benrob0329 Also ew
18:58 Fixer from here http://www.filfre.net/sitemap/
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19:49 Calinou benrob0329: mobile Chrome isn't so bad, mobile Firefox is another thing
19:49 Calinou I wish I could use Chromium on Android, but it lacks a DuckDuckGo search option, and reliable content blocking (uBlock Origin)
19:51 tenplus1 try the browser "Ghostery" on android/iphone... it's really good, has privacy options and built in adblock
19:55 Calinou Ghostery is proprietary, though :(
19:55 Calinou I'm on Firefox 55, which is supposed to have e10s, but not enabled by default perhaps
19:56 Calinou Firefox 57 enables it by default, breaking legacy add-ons
20:05 benrob0329 FF has other problems however
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20:18 tenplus1 nite folks :)
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20:35 Calinou benrob0329: which problems?
20:35 Calinou Chromium's devtools are much more complete
20:35 Calinou but other than that…
20:36 Calinou (that does matter to me though, as a webdev :P)
20:37 nerzhul Calinou, it depends on your plugins
20:38 Calinou Chromium has really good devtools out of the box, without needing any plugins
20:38 Calinou and there's a dark theme for devtools since ~10 versions or so :P
20:39 Calinou you can also zoom in/out of the devtools to change the font size
20:40 rubenwardy I prefer Firefox's dev tools
20:40 rubenwardy personally
20:40 nerzhul rubenwardy, +1
20:40 rubenwardy although it sucks at HTML5 canvas
21:13 benrob0329 Calinou: Pulseaudio as a hard dependency, bad performance on android
21:18 IhrFussel Firefox sends usage stats to their servers without your permission AFAIK...many people run away from it
21:19 IhrFussel The market share shrinks...Chrome/Chromium are clearly #1 objectively
21:20 IhrFussel Firefox had its golden days before Chromium was born
21:21 Calinou IhrFussel: Chrome does the same thing (telemetry) and it's not fully disableable
21:21 Calinou (Chromium too)
21:21 Calinou Firefox makes it possible to fully opt-out (but it doesn't ask you on first start, unfortunately)
21:21 benrob0329 All modern browsers suck in one way or another
21:22 IhrFussel Most browsers have one major problem: They only work good for ONE OS ... I have yet to find one that features the EXACT same support on multiple OS's
21:23 benrob0329 despite the fact that we have a ton of cross platform libraries nowadays
21:51 IhrFussel benrob0329, yes to me it seems like nobody really wants to support Linux (outside out Android)
21:51 IhrFussel outside of*
21:52 Calinou IhrFussel: it's rare for large software developers with a "commercial" mentality to support Linux well
21:52 Calinou unfortunately
21:53 Calinou if you look at most of the Linux game ports, they have performance issues, distribution issues (hard to run on anything that's not Ubuntu), etc
21:53 nerzhul no it's not rare to support linux, but yes support minetest and UI engine is rare
21:53 Calinou there is supporting Linux, and supporting Linux *well* :)
21:54 nerzhul many infrastructure software are from an enterprise (haproxy, nginx, mysql, mariadb, docker, kubernetes, openstack...)
21:56 IhrFussel Most popular softwares are not available on Linux ... companies don't really care about the ~ 5% desktop users
21:57 nerzhul but most popular company support linux for enterprise server softwares, sorry :)
21:57 nerzhul desktop is not important, money is in B2B not B2C when you don't sell hardware
21:57 IhrFussel Server != desktop ... Desktop support is missing
21:58 IhrFussel No they just go where the money is...Windows Desktop
21:59 nerzhul for B2C yes, B2B no
22:00 nerzhul and you forget android market which is huge
22:00 IhrFussel I excluded Android cause it's something else
22:00 nerzhul no, it's B2C too :)
22:01 IhrFussel But not desktop either...also not server...it's its own category
22:01 nerzhul and certainly the biggest market we have in B2C these days, windows is not increasing, ANdroid replaces PC, OSX and IOS replaces Windows, and Linux is slowly increasing
22:01 nerzhul android is a terminal which replaces windows for 80% users needs without problem these days :)
22:02 nerzhul for the 20% , either do it at work (print, ...) either you don't need :p
22:02 nerzhul i go to bed, see you, IhrFussel the PR with the bypass has been merged to master
22:05 Calinou https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/6xzyf​z/reddit_turns_off_access_to_its_main_source_code/
22:05 Calinou :|
22:08 sfan5 how long took that to reach /r/opensource
22:08 sfan5 i read the same in /r/programming like 4 days ago
22:13 benrob0329 Minds FTW!
22:21 sfan5 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/​comments/6y0zdh/minecraft_story_mode_f​or_linux_never_got_released/dmkd01v/ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:21 benrob0329 kek
22:22 rubenwardy what is Minecraft Story Mode?
22:22 rubenwardy why would a sandbox get a story
22:22 benrob0329 because Minecraft is an rpg?
22:22 rubenwardy is it even done semi-procedurally, or lazily?
22:23 sfan5 rubenwardy: the other comments explain it pretty well
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22:43 srifqi Calinou: "=== Command terminated with exit status 1 (Tue Sep  5 05:38:48 2017) ==="
22:44 sofar what's the multiline version of 'label' in formspecs? anyone?
22:44 srifqi Calinou: upgraded to 16.04.3 LTS
22:56 benrob0329 trying to upload videos over wifi probably wasn't a good idea
22:57 benrob0329 worked fine for the old 720p ones, not so much the 1080

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