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08:18 celeron55 https://gist.github.com/celeron55​/f26736b2432440504f63f11f17d9a8a1
08:19 celeron55 somebody from that generic mod hosting site sent an email
08:19 celeron55 i don't think that's something worth looking into but discuss if you like
08:20 shivajiva Hi celeron55 o/
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09:40 lisac celeron55, I submitted MT to GameBanana
09:40 lisac I did ask if someone wants to be the game admin there
09:43 nerzhul i'm not sure it's good for non coredve to do that, as build is not trusted by ourselves
09:44 lisac nerzhul, I'm not a game admin there
09:44 lisac the position is vacant right now
09:45 nerzhul i see
09:45 nerzhul it's not easy to manage our distribution
09:45 nerzhul does they have beta channel and API to upload builds ? does this need particular packaging ?
09:47 lisac sorry gotta go now, school
09:47 lisac be back in 8 hours
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10:25 Calinou hi
10:25 Calinou https://i.imgur.com/zKpJeg3.jpg
10:25 Calinou Default applications in Ubuntu 18.04 announced
10:26 Calinou celeron55: I'm not fond of GameBanana, it's too ad-riddled
10:26 Calinou the forums we have work well enough, I'd say
10:30 nerzhul i think i will study how to add it to steam at a point, if we want to target some marketplaces
10:31 nerzhul this can permit to increase our user base and push new app version without problem on all platforms
10:42 Raven262 Hi Calinou
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10:53 Calinou nerzhul: that surely can be done, it'll cost money though (Steam Direct)
10:54 Shara Also not fond of GameBanana.
10:54 Shara Steam could be interesting though.
10:55 Shara But there'd be a lot to think about.
11:38 nerzhul Calinou, yes it's not very easy to understand but if i can i will do it
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11:44 DS-minetest hi
11:48 DS-minetest is it more efficient to use an abm with an interval and chance of 1, no neighbors and one nodename or to start a nodetimer on constuct with one second and to return true in on_timer to restart it again and again?
11:59 celeron55 an abm has no saved state and doesn't cause a requirement for the engine to save the mapblock
11:59 celeron55 a node timer is always saved
12:04 celeron55 on the other hand an abm will always be processed for every active mapblock, while a timer has no overhead if it isn't added to any nodes
12:04 celeron55 i.e. for very small amounts of nodes, use a timer; for large amounts of nodes, use an abm
12:05 celeron55 the classic comparison is furnace vs. dirt
12:16 DS-minetest ok
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13:10 tumeninodes I took a look at Gamebanana when lisac mentioned it. Unfortunately the site is very overloaded with ads, as Calinou mentions, and is noticeable. It runs about as slow for me as Minecraft forums.
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13:12 Fixer what ads? o_O
13:19 * Raven262 uses ublock origin.
13:19 Raven262 Yea, what ads?
13:34 * Fixer uses adblocking since first times on the internet
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14:50 rdococ Progress report: Computer still has not returned. I may swap computers with my mother, due to the fact that hers is faster (despite an inferior keyboard).
14:51 rdococ (BTW: Both are laptops, so I can't simply switch keyboards, or towers.)
14:53 rdococ The plan in the meantime is perhaps to install Roblox/Roblox Studio.
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16:14 rdococ hmm
16:14 rdococ what editor do you suggest for lua?
16:15 benrob0329 Vim
16:15 benrob0329 :P
16:15 rdococ lol
16:15 rdococ meh, for now I'll install Notepad++
16:17 rdococ there should be a language that looks like intermediate bytecode, but is intended for human programming (not human-FRIENDLY, though)
16:18 ThomasMonroe i use Atom rdococ
16:19 rdococ Atom?
16:21 rdococ ew, CRLF
16:22 rdococ actually, I kind of wish CR and LF still had their separate functions, it would be cool to overlay text
16:22 * twoelk uses notepad++ for most things <wispering_tone>and windows notepad for the rest</wispering_tone>
16:23 rdococ riesen:O
16:23 rdococ oops
16:23 rdococ :O
16:25 rdococ seriously though, it's one newline
16:25 rdococ not only is there \r\n (Windows), and \n (Linux), there used to be \r (Mac), and there's even U+2028 (Unicode)!
16:30 rdococ For compatibility reasons, I suggest that applications and programs stick to accepting all four, and outputting \r\n.
16:32 benrob0329 I say that \n should be the standard, because Unix, and simplicity
16:33 benrob0329 Oh wow, that actually put a newline in...OK thats a markup I didn't know
16:33 benrob0329 \
16:33 benrob0329 ``\n``
16:34 benrob0329 Dangit markdown
16:34 benrob0329 Tanguy Riot mobile
16:34 benrob0329 Dangit autocorrect
16:36 rdococ lol.
16:36 rdococ I can't really believe that there's a separate Unicode codepoint to add to the confusion :P
16:37 rdococ is there a way to enable syntax highlighting in Atom?
16:37 benrob0329 Probably install the package for lua
16:38 rdococ oh, wow, Twitch uses IRC
16:39 ThomasMonroe right, that one isnt in there by default
16:40 benrob0329 I have Lua syntax by default, or at least automatically when Lua was installed
16:42 rdococ hm
16:42 rdococ so... what do I do with the lua package?
16:42 benrob0329 You enable it
16:43 rdococ where should I extract it to?
16:43 benrob0329 ...Atom has a plugin manager
16:44 rdococ uhm
16:44 rdococ how do I use it?
16:46 rdococ ugh, nvm
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16:59 benrob0329 Just like any other plugin manager
17:02 benrob0329 Man, my phone was really unhappy for a minute there
17:16 rdococ for now, I guess I'll play roblox again, seeing as I'm on winders now
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17:38 rubenwardy rdococ, Atom does not default to CRLF, if that's what you message meant
17:38 rubenwardy oh, that was an hour ago
17:39 Krock rubenwardy, doesn't matter. It's IRC ^^
17:39 rubenwardy lol
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17:47 rdococ ah
17:50 rubenwardy Apple's keynote event only works in Safari and Edge   https://i.rubenwardy.com/4IuGarensj.jpg
17:52 rubenwardy gonna have to find something else to laugh at :(
17:52 Krock Oh, look at this otamatone cover that I just found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8iEMVr7GFg
17:54 Krock rubenwardy, can this be described as free/GNU MEME?
17:55 rubenwardy damn it Krock
17:55 Krock there's again a top pic on /r/ProgrammerHumor if you haven't seen it yet
17:55 Krock rubenwardy, you got otamatonerolled
17:56 rubenwardy ?
17:56 rubenwardy the top pic is currently https://i.redd.it/chirqmscgclz.jpg
17:56 rubenwardy not sure what you mean
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17:58 Krock yeah. It's quite funny to me, as the notepad instructions always are the best on earth! Not to forget the catchy background music that varies between five actual songs among all of those tut videos
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18:00 benrob0329 The 5 songs that could make a grown man cry...of ear pain
18:03 rdococ YAY for libre!
18:03 rdococ how would non-free libre work, though?
18:04 rdococ do you pay for the source code?
18:04 rdococ (as in, one payment gives you both the compiled product and its source code?)
18:05 rubenwardy there's many monetisation forms
18:05 rubenwardy you can make users pay for the software, but once it's out it's easy for other to get it
18:05 rubenwardy but so is proprietary software once cracked
18:06 rubenwardy the best monetisation is probably offering a service around it
18:06 rubenwardy such as cloud hosting (see wordpress.com) or support (see redhat linux)
18:07 rubenwardy former may be a bad example, not sure if wordpress.com is the same team
18:25 rdococ o_O
18:25 rdococ did I just disconnect and reconnect repeatedly?
18:25 rubenwardy nope
18:25 rdococ lol, im on a bouncer
18:25 CWz nope
18:28 Megaf Apple iPhone event live stream, https://p-events-delivery.akamaized.net/17​oiubaewrvouhboiubasdfv09/m3u8/hls_mvp.m3u8 they are talking about iPhone X
18:28 Megaf That's the official stream
18:28 rubenwardy what format is that?
18:28 rubenwardy I'm reading http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/a​pple-iphone-event-september-2017
18:28 rubenwardy !g m3u8 format
18:28 ShadowBot rubenwardy: M3U8 File (What It Is and How to Open One) - Lifewire - An M3U8 file is a UTF-8 Encoded Audio Playlist file. Learn how to open an .M3U8 file or convert an M3U8 file to M3U or XSPF. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.li​fewire.com%2Fm3u8%2Dfile%2D2621956>, M3U - Wikipedia - An M3U file is a plain text ... The current proposal for the HLS playlist format uses UTF-8 exclusively and (6 more messages)
18:31 Megaf play with mpv or vlc
18:34 rubenwardy Calinou, would you be able to investigate making app images part of our CI? We could have it automated then
18:34 rubenwardy or maybe put it in utils
18:35 rubenwardy it is app image you were working on, right?
18:43 rubenwardy https://github.com/blog/2430-introducing-atom-ide !!!
18:44 rubenwardy "have packages which use the power of language servers to provide deep syntactical analysis" hmmm
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18:53 Fixer introducing
18:54 Fixer the $999 phone
18:54 Fixer kekekekkeekk
18:55 Megaf that was ok
18:55 Fixer Russian-made Facebook page invited Americans to protest “upsurge of violence”
18:55 Fixer totally legit
18:55 Megaf iPhone X is preety awesome
18:56 rubenwardy heh
18:56 rubenwardy face id is cool
18:57 rubenwardy fullscreen phone and wireless charging isn't particularly interesting at this point
18:57 rubenwardy been done
18:57 Fixer not interesting, I'm waiting for 1920*1080 in low end notebooks, now thats huge deal
19:01 rubenwardy heh
19:03 Megaf i quite like the face thing tech
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19:18 bigfoot547 lol
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19:22 tenplus1 hi folks
19:23 Raven262 Hi ten
19:24 tenplus1 hi raven :)
19:24 * tenplus1 noms Tesco Tuna Pot :P
19:25 Raven262 Every day i open up the minetest forum in hope that there is going to be some great mod released. Every time i get disappointed.
19:25 tenplus1 lol, one day... thoon!
19:26 Raven262 Why don't people make mods anymore
19:26 Raven262 I mean
19:26 Raven262 Good mods
19:26 tenplus1 they're too busy playing on servers :D
19:26 Raven262 Yea, probably that.
19:26 Raven262 That is a good thing actually
19:26 Raven262 Gains us some popularity
19:26 tenplus1 what kinda mods you wanting ?
19:27 Raven262 Big mods, like technic, or not that big, like moreblocks
19:27 Raven262 But quality ones.
19:28 tenplus1 heh... I rewrote MoreBlocks for Xanadu... removed stairsplus and lightened the load :P
19:28 Raven262 I mean, look at the first mod in WIP mods https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=18457
19:28 Raven262 This is what it looks like last few months
19:28 Raven262 mods are like this one
19:29 tenplus1 replacing blocks already in world, and using on_generate so it's slower
19:29 Raven262 Its something that one can write in ~20 minutes :P
19:30 Raven262 Making a 32px texture here requires some ~30 and more for making it just right.
19:31 tenplus1 :P
19:31 rubenwardy easy mods are easier
19:31 rubenwardy we need to get orwell back to work on advtrains :(
19:31 tenplus1 hi ruben
19:31 rubenwardy yo
19:32 rubenwardy orwell is still around, just not modding
19:32 Raven262 Good to know.
19:32 Raven262 Really don't wanna see that mod getting abandoned.
19:32 Raven262 Hi btw
19:33 CWz we need a new minetest bigshot modder
19:33 Raven262 Someone who has a vision.
19:33 tenplus1 hi CWz
19:34 rubenwardy we should motivate jordan4ibanez to come back   https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4712679
19:34 tenplus1 someone with time to actually mod
19:34 paramat i have some epic mods, just haven't updated them in a while ^_^
19:34 tenplus1 hi paramat
19:35 CWz watershed was good
19:35 CWz and the floatlands mod
19:35 Raven262 Some of them are in v7 now.
19:36 tenplus1 yeah I liked floatlands, might be good to add the biomes into mt_game :P
19:36 CWz v7 overated abit
19:36 CWz i much prefer v6
19:36 Raven262 I prefer that new mapgen that was recently added.
19:37 CWz v8?
19:37 Raven262 Nah
19:37 CWz what ever happened to v8
19:43 rubenwardy paramat is working on it
19:43 paramat v8 was coming but i changed the name
19:43 rubenwardy ;)   https://www.patreon.com/paramat
19:43 paramat because version names aren't a good idea anymore
19:43 paramat aww thanks
19:43 tenplus1 carpathian or something ?
19:44 paramat yes that
19:44 paramat i'm adding a new mapgen before 0.5.0, mostly done
19:45 tenplus1 is this the one that uses layers ????
19:48 CWz i recall watershed being added to c++
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20:01 paramat yes this is an evolved watershed in c++
20:01 tenplus1 paramat: does it have the layers feature you were working on ?
20:02 paramat no, sorry
20:02 tenplus1 *sobs*. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
20:03 paramat it could eventually but it's difficult
20:03 tenplus1 map layering adds a lot more to calculate I dare say :P
20:04 paramat i still think stacked realms is an excellent idea, and should be done
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20:04 tenplus1 +1 million
20:04 tenplus1 hi Jordach
20:05 Jordach kitteh managed to hit my power button
20:05 paramat it's just i haven't found a quality way how to yet
20:05 paramat heh
20:06 paramat i thought i'd concentrate on creating a good single layer first, as the project is overwhelming
20:07 paramat then maybe add stuff later or start new mapgens
20:08 tenplus1 so many ideas to implement, just finding time to add them :D
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20:13 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic
20:13 Aerozoic wazup peeps
20:14 tenplus1 :P
20:21 rdococ hi
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20:21 tenplus1 hi nrz
20:22 nerzhul hi
20:29 tenplus1 nite all
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20:43 Fixer Compile @ Get satisfaction
20:43 Aerozoic O_o
20:43 Megaf I'm compiling FlightGear at this time
20:44 Fixer Megaf: warming our planet one compile at a time
20:45 IhrFussel @server owners: Would you allow someone with a name that contains "satan" on your server? A player with such a name gives me a bad impression..am I alone with this?
20:45 Fixer IhrFussel: alone
20:45 Megaf IhrFussel, I do understand your point and too dislike the name
20:46 Megaf IhrFussel, however, on my server I respect everyones freedom
20:46 Megaf as long as that freedom doesnt cause any harm to any other player or building
20:46 Megaf so talking about religion, sex and drugs is allowed on my server, and so is dating and the name sata
20:46 Megaf satan*
20:46 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DJUb6mBVwAAbUSD.jpg:large
20:46 Megaf Fixer, that's scary
20:47 paramat what's the full name though?
20:47 Megaf IhrFussel, besides, there are people called Jesus and there are people called Satan
20:47 IhrFussel Dating and roleplay is allowed on my server too..illegal and inaprropriate topics for kids are not
20:48 IhrFussel paramat, SONOFSATAN and yes he has his own server (SONOS)
20:48 Megaf my server do have a 18+ years flag on it tho
20:48 paramat ah
20:48 Fixer and it is full of android people
20:48 IhrFussel It could be offending to religious people IMO
20:49 paramat hmm well 'satan' is not damaging to kids used to demons and devils in fantasy stories, it could mean a fictional demon
20:49 Fixer IhrFussel: then you will probably need to shutdown it, since I guarantee you can offend because of anything in this modern age
20:50 IhrFussel Freedom of speech is a big misconception: It actually does NOT allow you to do/say whatever you want...some things can be restricted and will have consequences
20:51 paramat not quite as bad as 'trump' :D
20:51 rubenwardy heh
20:52 Fixer depends on server owners
20:52 IhrFussel I had a player named Donald_Trump too...he was just a troll (to nobody's surprise)
20:52 Fixer seen that too, confirm
20:52 paramat i guess it's down to the religious views of the server owner, personally i find christian, muslim and jewish themes offensive :]
20:53 IhrFussel I'm talking about law...law also affects server owners AFAIK
20:53 IhrFussel If a player does illegal things you are forced to react as owner or else could be in trouble...at least that's how it is in my country
20:54 rubenwardy calling yourself satan isn't illegal
20:54 IhrFussel I wasn't refering to that name...just in general
20:54 Fixer i hope that kids does not also visit 4chan along the way
20:56 IhrFussel I'm just saying I'm cautious because of that law...I want to "eliminate" any potential danger...that doesn't mean I have a kids-only server, I just want to be safe
20:56 Shara I actually had a few conversations with Sonofsatan before, including about his name, and he's welcome on my server so long as he follows my rules.
20:58 Shara (which he did each of the few times he was there)
20:59 IhrFussel Shara, that may be but I don't have the time to start a convo with any player who seems to have a "bad" name and to ask for a reason to choose that name
20:59 Fixer I'm not offended by satan or whatever, but I'm extremaly offended by cobble boxes @ give me admin @ I will exterminate
20:59 Shara Which is your choice as a server owner, Fussel.
21:00 Shara I don't stop and make conversation with many players with "bad names" either, but there's far more offensive names to choose than his.
21:00 Fixer you have not seen offensive
21:01 Shara And I'm saying this despite having some a reaosnable number of christian players on my server.
21:01 Shara -some*
21:01 Fixer i've seen adolf with usual jew related hatejokes
21:01 IhrFussel I work on my server full time, many hours a day...so when I'm finally done with my daily coding I want to relax on my server and not discuss/argue about such topics ... which is why I asked you guys what you think
21:01 Shara Fussel, I just don't see it as something worth a ban.
21:02 Shara There are names I would ban for, but his wouldn't be one.
21:02 Shara Though i usually /kick and /setpassword to some random thing on the first offence to see if they get the message and switch to something better :)
21:03 IhrFussel I didn't attempt to ban him... I just saw his name in the logs and was curious about your opinions
21:03 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DJhLOBNWAAAA1QM.jpg:large
21:05 Shara Unless the name is outright profanity, then a name might make me keep an eye on someone a bit more, but that would likely be it.
21:05 Shara Oh, and I don't like people who try to use names that sound like the server name
21:05 Shara Or are impersonating a known admin/moderator either on my own or other servers
21:08 IhrFussel What if your moderator is "GoodGuy01" for example and someone else joins as "GoodGuy"? I think it would be wrong to assume that the person tried to impersonate your moderator
21:08 Shara Maybe, but on the other hand, when Shara2 signs in and starts threatening to ban my players, it's pretty obvious something is up :)
21:09 Shara And if IhrFussel showed up on one of my servers and started asking for privs, you can bet I'd be checking with you on IRC pretty quickly.
21:09 Shara Because while I trust you quite a bit, odds are it wouldn't be you.
21:10 IhrFussel That's a different matter...nobody who's not part of the staff team should be allowed to threaten anybody to ban them
21:10 IhrFussel I did that too when you first joined I think
21:10 Shara Yea, but usually the impersonators are doing it to act a certain way.
21:11 Shara So it can be a name + action combo that does it
21:11 IhrFussel Server owners should always verify the person in some way if they claim to be the owner of another server or MT devs/contributors
21:12 Shara But sadly many don't.
21:12 IhrFussel I hope those are mainly kids
21:12 Shara I've had more than one worried server owner message me after they already did /grant all and only then got worried...
21:13 IhrFussel Not sure if I would advise anyone to ever use /grant all
21:13 rubenwardy some idiots do https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=18437
21:14 Shara I've only handed out full privs to three people ever. Two on RC and one on DL.
21:15 Shara And one of the ones on RC was the person I worked with when first setting up the server, and the one on DL was Zeno :P
21:15 rubenwardy so, turns out my site has been broken to a lot of people for a month or so because HTTP on IPv6 was broken
21:15 rubenwardy *HTTPS
21:15 rubenwardy the HTTPS server block wasn't listening on IPv6 :(
21:15 rubenwardy I remember someone in here complaining about it
21:17 IhrFussel Shara, if you know the person for a long time and can trust them it's fine of course but /grant all grants every single priv that exists and many server owners don't even understand some of those privs
21:18 IhrFussel I myself didn't understand "protection_bypass" until I read the bones code
21:19 Shara Fussel, I know. Pretty sure there are a few commands I still don't fully understand.
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21:19 Shara But for me, trusting someone with that level of control of my server means I must trust them enough not to mess with anything they might not understand.
21:20 sfan5 granting "server" to people is still dangerous
21:20 IhrFussel Many mods add privs you never heard of before...and in the worst case the priv name makes no sense
21:21 Shara I won't add any mod without reviewing it in full these days
21:21 IhrFussel Personally I would only give the server priv to someone who has access to my server machine IF I wanted a 2nd admin...but I find everything to be more managable alone (maybe I'm a bit arrogant in that regard)
21:22 Shara Well, Zeno was my co-admin on DL and did (actually still does) have full access to the server.
21:23 Shara And the one person who currently has full privs on RC has been admining for me for over a year and has always made a point of double checking things and working out what I'm happy with or not.
21:24 Shara It's certainly not something I'd do with a normal moderator
21:24 IhrFussel That's totally ok then...like I said in your case you do nothing wrong...I mean you still risk a tiny chance that one of those full priv players could someday ruin your life, but such a risk is everywhere
21:25 Shara Well, any player with WE could also make huge problems after all
21:25 IhrFussel Yes, although a player with just WE priv couldn't as much damage
21:26 IhrFussel Unless you have no backups
21:26 Shara But in absolute worst case, I'd still only lose a week worth of the map, since I make off server copies as well.
21:26 sfan5 >not having backups
21:27 IhrFussel Backups take a long time (at least in my case) which is why I don't create them daily
21:27 Shara Same.
21:27 Shara But I won't do less than weekly
21:28 Megaf Speaking of IDEs again, I'm thinking about giving this a try http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-s​torage/developerstudio/overview/index.html
21:28 Megaf it has it's own compiler
21:28 IhrFussel I tried to create one during runtime once...and part of the map got corrupted...never again
21:29 Shara Ouch, yes.. RC always gets shut down while I do backups
21:29 IhrFussel I mean realtime backups could work great if the map is only a few MBs
21:29 Shara Both my servers are 10GB+
21:30 IhrFussel My map reached the 15 GB mark now and I already have to compress it to be able to upload it to my Google Drive
21:30 Fixer rubenwardy: kek, admin stupidity over 9000 or kid
21:30 rubenwardy I quite want to start a server based on the 1940s
21:31 rubenwardy with subways
21:31 rubenwardy and some steam punch
21:31 rubenwardy *punk
21:31 Shara I think RC is around 13GB. Creative maps seem to grow a bit slower than survival, since players aren't riddling the map with tunnels everywhere to mine
21:31 Fixer Minetest as in Minecraft Punk
21:31 Shara rubenwardy: I'm not letting you steal my master subway builder :D
21:32 rubenwardy do you have actual subways?
21:32 Shara RC has a whole subway network
21:32 rubenwardy hmmm
21:32 Fixer rubenwardy: expecting Pruner648 or whatever on your 1940 steampunk server building a new "fancy" cobble-leave-dirt unfinished (((structure))) without roof
21:32 Shara My players actually started drawing maps of it
21:32 rubenwardy do you have a subwaycarmod?
21:33 Shara Sadly no
21:33 Shara But the stations are interesting
21:33 Shara This is an old map someoine sketched up.. there are a lot more lines/stations now
21:33 Shara http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/upl​oads/2016/07/RCTransportNetwork.png
21:34 IhrFussel One of my moderators is planning a subway net on my server too but she hasn't really progressed xP
21:34 Shara whoareyou is the master at subways
21:35 IhrFussel WE helps greatly with tracks/tunnels
21:36 IhrFussel Just //stack x/z 500 and you can relax for a bit
21:36 rubenwardy Mr_Pardison won't give me admin
21:36 rubenwardy what a party pooper
21:39 Shara He's one of my newest moderators :)
21:39 rubenwardy nice
21:41 Megaf Shara, is there rails in the subway?
21:42 rubenwardy the loading is quite tight
21:42 Megaf I should make a map of my subway network too...
21:43 IhrFussel rubenwardy, creative servers tend to have LOTS of nodes
21:43 rubenwardy yeah
21:43 rubenwardy it's theotically possible to make Minetest distributed
21:43 rubenwardy hmmm
21:44 Megaf And this is super cool http://www.mbblp.ml/advanced-trains-website/
21:44 IhrFussel rubenwardy, meaning? Servers share media?
21:44 rubenwardy you could have additional processes just serving blocks in a read only fashion
21:44 rubenwardy so it would be a lot quicker to load blocks
21:44 rubenwardy but no faster to write to them
21:45 rubenwardy maybe even a little bit slower, as you'd need to tell the chunk servers to stop sending the old version
21:45 Shara Megaf: Rails yes.
21:47 rubenwardy I kinda want to do some programming now
21:47 rubenwardy make a proxy server that sits in front of Minetest
21:48 Megaf rubenwardy, I need a lot of programming to do, I'm developing a game console
21:48 rubenwardy and speeds up block loading by distributing the sending of older blocks
21:48 rubenwardy ah
21:48 rubenwardy problem is that mods can modify map blocks
21:49 rubenwardy oh, but that'll be indicated by the server sending a block change message to the client, and through the proxy
21:49 paramat someone should create mini-train vehicles for those subways then
21:49 rubenwardy paramat, advtrains
21:49 rubenwardy the code is... interesting though
21:49 Shara How well does that mod actually run on servers?
21:50 rubenwardy clever code, not very clear to read for multiple reasons
21:50 rubenwardy Shara, runs very well on my 1 player server
21:50 Shara I honestly hate finding a hundred or so carts going round on tracks by themselves and so on as it is
21:50 Megaf [22:50:19] * #lighttpd :You have joined too many channels
21:50 Shara SOme players do stupid things...
21:50 Megaf OH NO!
21:50 paramat advtrains is probably too complex
21:50 rubenwardy Megaf, what's your channel list?
21:50 rubenwardy if you don't mind me asking
21:51 IhrFussel advtrains is overkill if you just want a simple subway vehicle
21:51 Aerozoic How is it possible that players can still change their chat color when i have strip_color_codes = true
21:52 paramat i was thinking just a nicer looking cart with speed controls
21:52 IhrFussel Aerozoic, are you sure you use 0.4.16-dev that supports the setting?
21:52 rubenwardy oh damn, I'll need to modify Minetest as it doesn't support a proxy real-ip
21:52 Aerozoic The server is running 4.16 stable
21:52 IhrFussel I think the setting was added after stable
21:53 Megaf rubenwardy, my freenode channels http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/G​itPaste/raw/master/whois.txt
21:53 Shara The thing is, on a server where I grant people fly and fast by default, riding somethign on rails isn't helpful for transport.
21:53 IhrFussel Aerozoic, but there is another way..one sec
21:53 Shara It doesn't really add anything other than novelty value.
21:53 IhrFussel Aerozoic, minetest.strip_colors(message)
21:53 Shara So if there is any performance hit at all, I can't justify adding it.
21:54 Aerozoic IhrFussel, it seem you are right. I'm not a coder, how do i use that?
21:54 IhrFussel Just add it to any register_on_chat_message callback of a mod
21:54 Aerozoic ok thanks
21:55 Shara rubenwardy: RC is back up without silly mapload issues now, if you want to check more subways
21:56 IhrFussel Aerozoic, if there's no mod with that callback let me know and I'll do a pastebin for you
21:57 Aerozoic IhrFussel, i have a mod for my server specifically to add custom code. I think it's simple enough i can look at the api and write it :)  I'll let u know if i get lost.
22:00 benrob0329 Blender 2.9 has been released !!!
22:00 rubenwardy Shara, just wondering, what backend do you use, do you have an SSD, and do you use RAMDISK?
22:01 Shara The VPS itself uses an SSD
22:02 IhrFussel Aerozoic, was a matter of 2 minutes https://pastebin.com/88ijwssv
22:02 rubenwardy ahh good
22:02 rubenwardy the blocks are loading now
22:02 Shara I've never looked at RAMDISK though.
22:03 Shara Yes, the server has had a load of traffic today, and something was slowing it down. Restart cleared it though.
22:06 Aerozoic thanks IhrFussel, that's more complicated than i thought. I doubt i would've figured that out.
22:07 Calinou hi
22:08 IhrFussel Aerozoic, the "return true" tells the engine to cancel the original message
22:08 rubenwardy hi Calinou loggingbot_
22:08 rubenwardy argh
22:08 Calinou rubenwardy: sure, I can submit a pull request to add AppImage builds, it should be pretty easy
22:08 Calinou (Ubuntu 14.04 image + linuxdeployqt, which, despite its name, works on non-Qt apps)
22:08 Calinou KaadmY: so yeah, I was at a LAN party playing some CS:GO, I also played Q3A with some guy :D
22:09 Calinou KaadmY: if you're around, we can play right now, or tomorrow
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22:10 rubenwardy strangely satisfying symmetry
22:11 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/aJh63OweME.png
22:11 Jordach >ramps and angels in a cube game
22:11 Aerozoic Megaf, thanks for mentioning flightgear!  I will be trying it soon!  :D
22:11 Jordach THIS ISN'T FUCKING QUAKE
22:11 Jordach OUT OUT OUT
22:11 sfan5 .bsp importer for minetest when
22:11 * Shara hides
22:12 rubenwardy there's a subway station directly below it
22:12 Megaf Aerozoic, FlightGear is awesome
22:12 Shara It's an "in development" area
22:12 benrob0329 I can agree with Megaf
22:13 rubenwardy > the piano doesn't make a sound when punching/right clicking it
22:13 rubenwardy what madness is this
22:13 Shara I stripped a lot of sounds!
22:13 Shara Because I am heartless and evil!
22:14 Shara Though a piano probably should be allowed to have sound.
22:16 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/aJh63OweME.png
22:16 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/ZcEzg8ogUn.png
22:16 rubenwardy reminds me of the old hunger games server
22:16 rubenwardy the first one
22:16 Fixer The wall?
22:17 Shara A lot of long term players have founded cities, which are apparently threatening war with each other. I guess that one went for defence?
22:17 rubenwardy second image
22:17 Fixer we gonna build the wall. deport android users.
22:18 Jordach Fixer, ultimate solution
22:18 rubenwardy you may have a problem with ICE and seeing through walls: https://i.rubenwardy.com/aNjBLFGjzL.png
22:18 Jordach have a picture of a VHS tape or Laserdisc
22:18 Jordach kids don't understand those items entirely
22:18 Shara Ice is intentionally
22:19 Shara that way
22:19 Jordach if they call a Laserdisc a CD, then :thonking:
22:19 Fixer Jordach: thats way to subtle
22:19 Fixer too*
22:19 Shara Try the command /cat winter and you'll see the build we changed the ice for
22:19 Jordach Fixer, technically, using the commands /vhs or /laserdisc would be an idea
22:20 rubenwardy ah cool
22:20 rubenwardy seen that in the images
22:20 Jordach but using /cd /bluray or /dvd is a free ban
22:21 Shara Wanted to get the effect of the icde having slid over the building, so you can still see parts inside the ice
22:21 Shara ice*
22:21 Shara And well, see-through ice just makes more sense to me
22:23 Fixer Jordach: do this with minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKogADME4wY
22:25 Aerozoic IhrFussel, minetest.strip_colors doesn't appear in 4.16 stable api
22:25 IhrFussel Aerozoic, it will work, I use it on my server too
22:26 Aerozoic ok, i will try it thanks :)
22:26 IhrFussel My server is 0.4.16-dev but essentially stable cause it was compiled on stable release day
22:28 IhrFussel Aerozoic, it's in my doc/api.lua "* `minetest.strip_colors(str)` * Removes all color escape sequences."
22:29 Aerozoic IhrFussel, yeah i switched to the 4.16 tag on github.com and it's not listed.
22:29 IhrFussel Maybe look for "color.strip_colors" I think someone made a typo
22:30 Aerozoic yes that is there, so that's why i was wondering
22:30 IhrFussel Yep the typo was fixed in dev
22:30 Aerozoic ok
22:34 IhrFussel I'm out for today see ya, good night/morning/afternoon
22:35 benrob0329 Fixer: Audio isn't distorted enough 🤔
22:35 Fixer benrob0329: background noise is present
22:36 benrob0329 Still sounds too clear
22:36 benrob0329 needs more tracking noise too
22:36 Fixer could be
22:36 Fixer where is my VHS?
22:36 Fixer where are my tapes?
22:37 Fixer where is my video out?
22:37 benrob0329 I don't even have a player that's not in storage atm
22:38 benrob0329 I have some tapes, but to deck -_-
22:38 Fixer and wth those videocards don't have video out
22:38 benrob0329 *no
22:38 benrob0329 you can rout it through your tv
22:38 Fixer yeah, but TV is in other room
22:39 benrob0329 buy a long cable then :^)
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22:44 Fixer DVI to VGA to S-Video converter
22:44 Fixer or dvi to svideo
22:47 Fixer http://forums.afterdawn.com/threa​ds/dvi-to-s-video-or-rca.705636/ LOL
22:47 Fixer read to the end
22:58 Megaf So I just bought a Raspberry Pi 0 online.
22:58 Fixer Pi 0?
22:58 Megaf Yes, because 1, 2 and 3 are too mainstream
22:58 Fixer worst buy ever
22:59 Megaf Fixer, https://www.raspberrypi.org/​products/raspberry-pi-zero/
22:59 benrob0329 0 is the micro/tiny made-to-embed thing
22:59 Megaf Fixer, 4 pounds...
22:59 Fixer ok
22:59 Fixer ay
22:59 Megaf still think is the worst buy ever?
22:59 Fixer what is the use?
23:00 Megaf 4 pounds the Pi0, 80 cents for VAT and 4 pounds to ship, 8.80 pounds total
23:00 Megaf That one pint of beer in some pubs in Ireland
23:00 Megaf that's
23:00 Fixer Megaf: but what are you planning to do with it?
23:01 Megaf [22:48:14] <Megaf> ...I need a lot of programming to do, I'm developing a game console
23:01 Fixer o_________0
23:01 Megaf No, it will not run Minetest...
23:02 Calinou the Pi 0 can play Minecraft Pi Edition
23:02 Calinou my brother made a video on it
23:02 Megaf it will run my fork of it tho
23:02 Calinou 171,000 views :P
23:02 Calinou it's kind of clickbait
23:03 Calinou it's his 7th top video (by view count)
23:03 Fixer https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Pi_Edition
23:03 Megaf I can't believe I bought a brand new computer for 4 Pounds. SMP, Gigabyte of RAM, 4 pounds, what a time to be alive
23:04 Calinou the Pi Zero has 512 MB of RAM, not 1 GB
23:04 Fixer .__.
23:04 benrob0329 the Pi3 has 1 gb of ram
23:04 Megaf ok, half gb then
23:04 Calinou fun fact: "While operating at 700 MHz by default, the first generation Raspberry Pi provided a real-world performance roughly equivalent to 0.041 GFLOPS.[25][26] On the CPU level the performance is similar to a 300 MHz Pentium II of 1997–99."
23:04 Calinou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi)
23:04 benrob0329 ...a game console with half a gig of ram? I've seen worse
23:05 Calinou I gave up on running Doom on my Raspberry Pi, couldn't get accelerated desktop rendering to work :|
23:05 Calinou that was last year
23:05 Calinou (RPi 3, I also have an ODroid C2, which is 40% faster)
23:05 Fixer doom on whaaat? it needs software rendering
23:05 Calinou both of them are sitting in a drawer, since 1 year ago
23:05 Calinou Fixer: the desktop needs to be accelerated still
23:05 Calinou using GLES or something
23:05 Calinou if it uses software framebuffer, it's just too slow
23:05 Fixer Calinou: why?
23:06 Fixer Calinou: you are too fast
23:06 Calinou dragging windows was very, very slow
23:06 Fixer Calinou: slow down
23:06 Calinou uh?
23:06 Fixer Calinou: disable window moving render
23:06 benrob0329 You don't need a desktop to run doom...
23:06 Fixer Calinou: show window borders only when moving
23:06 Calinou benrob0329: yes, you can run it in a pure framebuffer
23:06 Calinou both have a 1-year-old Arch Linux ARM install
23:07 Calinou I never got 3D to work there
23:07 Calinou :(
23:07 Fixer Calinou: and disable smooth scrool in browser
23:07 Calinou despite both having GLES 2.0 support
23:07 Calinou anyway, it doesn't matter anymore
23:07 Megaf Calinou, they say 3D works now a days
23:07 Calinou I don't *need* theù
23:07 Calinou them*
23:07 Fixer Calinou: on the other hand... wtf you need to run doom on raspberry pi in the first place?
23:08 benrob0329 dedicated doom console?
23:08 Megaf I used to run DOOM on my first gen iPod Nano
23:08 Megaf And watch videos on it too
23:08 Fixer Megaf: naaah
23:09 Calinou Fixer: /r/itrunsdoom
23:09 Megaf By the way, DOOM on Linux on iPod Nano
23:09 Megaf with a thing called iPodLinux
23:10 Fixer doom on windows ce
23:10 * Fixer checks
23:11 Fixer Megaf: i've played Elite on windows ppc 2002/2003 PDA with like dpad and two buttons
23:12 benrob0329 Doom on NetBSD on a toaster
23:12 Fixer also, state of the art playback of porn on 320x240 with tuned bitrate for achiving 100% playback speed
23:12 Megaf benrob0329, oh no! not that BSD toaster
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23:12 Megaf that's old man
23:13 benrob0329 it still happened :P
23:13 Fixer bsd toaster is not real, says hacked linux powered fish tank
23:14 benrob0329 🤔
23:14 Fixer benrob0329: but can it run porn? can you connect display to a toaster?
23:15 Fixer also, wayland
23:15 Fixer X11 is dead soon
23:15 Fixer
23:15 benrob0329 x11 will remain alive until wayland supports all its functionality
23:15 Fixer * should be ready in 20 years
23:16 benrob0329 and it shouldn't be adopted until then
23:16 Fixer ** already spent 10 years on it
23:16 benrob0329 also, I don't watch porn so I don't have that issue :-)
23:17 Fixer it still crashes though, somewhere in 0.5 plasma crash ratio
23:18 Fixer benrob0329: porn on 2003 year handheld pda can be considered advanced, with like 275MHz cpu
23:19 Fixer and it had sound output jack
23:19 Fixer for your headphones
23:19 Megaf I dont watch porn either *cleans the keyboard*
23:19 benrob0329 There is an old windows based PDA around here somewhere I should try to install *nix on
23:20 Fixer linux was installed on some HPs with success
23:20 Calinou gtg, night
23:20 Megaf night Calinou
23:20 benrob0329 gnight
23:21 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxXwnA-rcI
23:22 Megaf !title
23:22 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zceMD5Lll4 insanity
23:23 benrob0329 Megaf: link previews :^)
23:23 Megaf Good night all
23:24 benrob0329 night
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23:43 Fixer # Downloaded from #
23:43 Fixer #StarPort - FC WHQ#
23:43 Fixer #    24H V32bis   #
23:43 Fixer not bad
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