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01:26 KaadmY Calinou: I'm here now
01:27 KaadmY Also have you heard of PMs :P
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07:09 rdococ hi hi hi hi
07:10 lisac hey rdococ
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09:55 Megaf lol, according to Geekbench this is the fastest performing CPU in single core https://ark.intel.com/products/97527/Intel​-Core-i3-7350K-Processor-4M-Cache-4_20-GHz
09:55 Megaf https://browser.geekbench.com/​v4/cpu?dir=desc&sort=score
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11:45 Calinou hi :)
11:45 Calinou KaadmY: no, I forgot :P anyway I was asleep at 3AM (UTC+2) :P
11:45 Calinou also, for EU citizens mostly (but non-EU citizens can also join in): https://publiccode.eu/openletter/
11:49 Raven262 Hi Calinou.
11:49 Calinou hi :)
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12:38 twoelk is anybody updating his git clones on windows with a batch file?
13:10 Aerozoic Hmm... Why doesn't minetest have a wikipedia page? It seems to be the only FOSS that doesn't:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​ist_of_open-source_video_games
13:11 twoelk the minetest page launches at wikipedia have been deleted multiple times
13:12 twoelk it seems as if nobody connected with mt is allowed to write such an article
13:12 Fixer Aerozoic: stigma against minetest due to minecraft
13:13 Aerozoic wtf
13:13 twoelk nope just no mentioning in any media that is not done by minetest people
13:14 twoelk we would need coverage by someone who is not a dev, modder or forum writer
13:15 twoelk so someone has to report about minetest without being part of the community
13:15 Aerozoic That doesn't make sense. That eliminates anybody familiar with it.
13:16 Aerozoic How could any wiki ever get written?
13:16 Aerozoic For any game?
13:17 twoelk the wiki is not supposed to be written by people who know something first hand but rather by people who quote several different sources that might have first hand knowledge
13:18 Aerozoic So all attempts have been deleted due to lack of sources?
13:18 twoelk yeah - hardly any outside sources exist
13:19 Aerozoic hmm, i'm gonna look at the sources for all those other games.
13:20 twoelk don't go and point out the others that got smuggled in, leave them in for the use of all :-D
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13:21 twoelk rather make your local newspaper aware of minetest
13:22 Aerozoic XD  Nah, i just find this interesting.
13:24 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEue4-iNGtA and http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/0​4/04/mining-for-education/#5 are the only relative unrelated and usefull links I remember
13:25 twoelk there are other things such as teacher-user groups but they are not really that public
13:29 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EUP6k2EGyQ
13:31 Aerozoic I was mainly just curious, i won't actually be doing anything about it.
13:32 twoelk :-(
13:33 Aerozoic It seems there are lots of games with few resources that have a wiki page so it makes me think there is some political BS going on.
13:36 twoelk well it is on wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest it just kept getting deleted in the english version :-P
13:37 Aerozoic lol
13:37 Aerozoic very interesting!
13:38 Fixer yeah, thats right, thats wikipedia for you
13:38 srifqi Indonesian version even has "reviewed" status. https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest
13:41 twoelk VanessaE for example did some writting for the english version and so the criticism it might be self promoting is understandable as she was very much involved at the time and still is an important server owner
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13:45 srifqi That version is where the Indonesian version based. .-.
13:46 srifqi or rubenwardy's? I forget which one.
13:47 celeron55 Calinou: seems like a good campaign
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14:11 Fixer *,....,*
14:12 twoelk here's the old discussion on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip​edia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest, cant find the last version
14:13 srifqi You can't because it has been deleted. .-.
14:16 twoelk well there are sites that save deleted articles
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14:31 Aerozoic Why does the MT readme have users installing the dev version instead of the stable version?
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15:04 celeron55 Aerozoic: probably because it was written before a stable version existed :P
15:05 celeron55 whether that should be the case, dunno
15:05 celeron55 github doesn't give an option to have different readmes for different branches or tags
15:05 celeron55 so it will be wrong no matter what it says
15:06 celeron55 i guess a different readme could be maintained on the stable branch if someone is crazy enough to want to do that
15:07 celeron55 maybe it should list the available version options though
15:09 celeron55 that has the issue that technically there's nothing to point to if you want the latest stable version with a single link; the stable branch HEAD isn't stable, only the tags in there are
15:12 Calinou <twoelk> we would need coverage by someone who is not a dev, modder or forum writer
15:12 Calinou time to poke Jim Sterling, Vsauce and PewDiePie I guess
15:12 * Calinou hides
15:12 Calinou also, as time passes, it becomes harder and harder to "have" a page on Wikipedia
15:12 Aerozoic Is a forum writer anyone who has ever posted on the forum?
15:12 Calinou (since there are new ones every day)
15:13 Calinou well, Wikipedia would rather have you be a complete outsider, by the looks of it
15:13 Calinou which is sad, because it's the perfect way to write an article in the most clueless way possible
15:13 Aerozoic yup
15:13 Calinou srifqi: non-English Wikipedias tend to be more chill with the issue
15:14 Calinou English Wikipedia is de_dust2 with 64 players, other wikis are that unpopular map with 4 players
15:14 * Calinou hides again
15:15 srifqi Calinou, I agree on that.
15:15 celeron55 english wikipedia basically wants that some big money media has written about a subject before it's allowed there, except if you were early and sneaky enough
15:25 benrob0329 haven't we had several well known people at least mention Minetest?
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15:28 srifqi benrob0329, who?
15:29 benrob0329 Idr, that's why I asked
15:35 Calinou benrob0329: time for a Trump tweet? ;)
15:35 benrob0329 Calinou: don't have a Twitter account
15:36 Jordach must be 100% certified fresh hipster grade foss software grown by millennials in starbucks
15:36 Jordach with an LLC startup.io
15:39 * Jordach goes back to programming the LEDs on Jordach's keyboard
15:59 Fixer Calinou: de_dust...*****  Eh, if you look pirated CS 1.6 serverlist - more than half of anything is de_dust related
16:13 benrob0329 Why is it so popular?
16:23 benrob0329 Calinou: but then again, Wikipedia would probably say that he is "Not Our President"
16:23 Calinou benrob0329: every game has its overly popular map
16:24 benrob0329 True
16:38 celeron55 i did some writing for fun, not sure what to do with it https://gist.github.com/celeron55​/665de564a2e6535659363e205153d77d
16:41 twoelk put it on a flyer and through them at the next LinuxDays or gamescon
16:41 celeron55 do anything you like with it
16:41 celeron55 CC0
16:41 twoelk or actually hand them out to teachers
16:43 rdococ yey
16:45 celeron55 i don't think most teachers appreciate such a half-product as MT is; they don't have time for it
16:48 twoelk true - but only sometimes
16:49 twoelk but thinking of it a little one-page pdf for download on the homepage might be of interest
16:49 celeron55 did you even read it :D
16:50 twoelk the honking and farting manifest?
17:27 Fixer celeron55: minetest game needs bigger push
17:32 benrob0329 Specifically in the game direction :P
17:32 celeron55 bigger push?
17:32 Fixer celeron55: kick in the window or smth
17:33 celeron55 wait what
17:33 Fixer celeron55: engine itself is good, but mtg is not following its success
17:33 celeron55 i think i'll spam this press release to every media i can find, for fun
17:33 benrob0329 Lol, I think he means that MTG needs a kick in the pants to get it going
17:35 Fixer "French Company Plans To Heat Homes, Offices With AMD Ryzen Pro Processors"
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17:38 celeron55 i need a ridiculous screenshot to go with this text
17:38 celeron55 or a good one
17:38 Fixer pepe and pedobear one
17:38 celeron55 definitely not memes
17:40 Fixer sad
17:42 Fixer celeron55: and they like install minetest @ badly animated sams with nothing in hands
17:43 benrob0329 celeron55: feel free to take anything from my cinematic videos
17:43 Fixer cinematic
17:44 celeron55 Jordach: i'm going to steal a random screenshot from you probably
17:44 celeron55 don't get mad
17:44 celeron55 it's going to be used in a joke against minetest
17:45 celeron55 just like everything i do
17:45 Fixer you are making it worse
17:45 celeron55 i'm your PR guy, trust me i'm good
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17:47 Fixer DPR guy
17:52 Shara Hi everyone
17:59 benrob0329 Hi Shara
17:59 Shara Hi benrob0329 :)
18:00 benrob0329 Whats up?
18:01 Shara What isn't? :P
18:01 Shara Crazy busy at the moment.
18:01 benrob0329 That is life for you
18:02 Jordach celeron55, don't use http[s]://jordach.net
18:02 Jordach the server is now in deprecation
18:03 Shara benrob0329: Anymore good videos lately? I want more good videos.
18:07 benrob0329 Shara: I made a thing in blender the other day
18:07 Shara Link? :D
18:07 Shara Assuming there is something to see anyway
18:07 Shara I'm still too scared of blender.
18:08 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/p1lfQJz3WqE
18:08 benrob0329 Its not bad once you get the basics
18:09 Jordach git gud
18:09 Jordach will be fixing things soonish
18:10 Shara Tardis :)
18:10 benrob0329 Ofc :D
18:11 benrob0329 That face is a particle system, featuring 80,000 particles iirc
18:13 * Jordach points jordach.net at the new dedicated server
18:13 benrob0329 Most of the time was spent compositing, not rendering though
18:23 celeron55 it's really difficult to find even any blogs that might care about my silly press release
18:24 celeron55 this world is so boring, i guess that's why we're all here
18:24 benrob0329 celeron55: post it to something like minds.com
18:26 celeron55 i did post it in my blog and tweeted it; that's... 29 followers
18:26 sofar hmm, I wonder if i can override irc commands from kaeza's irc mod to customize it (the func, essentially)
18:26 garywhite what press release?
18:27 celeron55 benrob0329: minds.com is like twitter but with long posts, right?
18:28 benrob0329 celeron55: and videos and its open source
18:28 Shara I customised quite a few IRC commands on my servers.
18:28 Shara Nothing extreme, but still.
18:28 benrob0329 So you would write a blog, then remind that blog onto your timeline
18:29 celeron55 well i don't have any followers so nobody would see it
18:29 celeron55 i just want people to see this and go on with life, not like begin actually doing anything!
18:32 benrob0329 celeron55: your given some points when you join, you can boost the post with those points
18:32 benrob0329 I have 2.5k points atm, 1 point per view
18:33 benrob0329 (You get 50 every once in a while, which is where most of them come from )
18:36 celeron55 i do have an account there since like months ago
18:36 celeron55 but my password is in my password manager that i don't have access to now 8)
18:36 * celeron55 is proud of not knowing his passwords
18:38 celeron55 or maybe i don't... hmm
18:38 celeron55 it's a good question
18:39 celeron55 oh i do
18:39 celeron55 ok let's see
18:39 celeron55 at least i can get rid of these points, that i'm sure about
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19:00 celeron55 https://www.minds.com/blog/view/754774999667056642
19:01 celeron55 lol, this is like squeezing whipped cream on a sausage
19:02 benrob0329 Wait what
19:04 Fixer celeron55: have you seen auroras recently?
19:05 shivajiva well done c55 :P
19:05 benrob0329 celeron55: now remind and boost it :P
19:15 rdococ hello fellow members of the species of homo sapiens.
19:16 rdococ due to unforeseen circumstance, I am currently using Winders.
19:16 rdococ wait, this channel probably has mode +c
19:16 sofar celeron55: I like the fart noises
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19:17 * rdococ farts
19:17 rdococ oops
19:21 celeron55 i think minetest.net should probably be just a blog written by me; the current one is way too serious
19:22 celeron55 the only problem with that is that i'm way too lazy
19:23 Fixer broccoli fart noises
19:27 celeron55 Minetest in its entirety is just a joke and you all are the people that didn't get it
19:27 celeron55 i'm so sorry
19:29 shivajiva lol
19:29 shivajiva you'd better be!
19:30 garywhite mode may be +m$ rdococ
19:30 rdococ +m$?
19:30 rdococ no, it just seems to be +cmnt
19:31 celeron55 ok, actually i'm not sorry; but it still is the greatest joke ever; it's absolutely glorious
19:32 celeron55 and as such it must be continued
19:32 Shara in even more glorious ways?
19:33 celeron55 i really hope someone publishes my press release as-is; that would make my day
19:33 celeron55 probably not going to happen though
19:36 shivajiva I think you just assured it will appear somewhere
19:41 benrob0329 totallynotashadyweb.site
19:42 benrob0329 (don't actually click that link, I have no idea what it goes to)
19:42 celeron55 totally not to a shady website, is my guess
19:42 garywhite doesn't exist benrob, there is no .site domain
19:43 benrob0329 Aww
19:43 garywhite aw crap there is
19:43 garywhite but that^ is not a real website
19:43 benrob0329 Yay!
19:44 benrob0329 Is the domain available?
19:44 garywhite idk
19:45 celeron55 it is, and it's on sale
19:45 garywhite Too out of it to look...spent Mon & Tue trying to get through to ISP
19:46 Fixer celeron55: biggest troll in OSS history
19:46 benrob0329 Hahaha
19:46 benrob0329 I gotta get it, or someone does
19:51 benrob0329 I got it
19:52 benrob0329 I have a friend who does domain hosting, so I get it cheaper than godaddy :D
19:52 Fixer godaddy is the worst name ever
19:52 Fixer totally worst
19:53 Fixer they smoked shit instead of weed. sad
19:54 benrob0329 celeron55: expect that blog to be posted on a totally not super shady website
19:59 celeron55 don'
19:59 celeron55 don't use godaddy, ever
19:59 celeron55 don't use any domain seller that comes up in first search results
20:00 benrob0329 I don't
20:00 celeron55 i use name.com, it's been quite fine
20:02 celeron55 or, i mean, i can't think of anything to complain about
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20:06 Calinou godaddy is indeed not a good choice
20:06 Calinou if your son yells "Go Daddy!" do you, he also is not a good choice either
20:06 * Calinou hides
20:06 Calinou to you*
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20:24 Fixer "My daddy says fuck your daddy" (c)
20:32 CWz yey firefox added more icons to the address bar YAY
20:37 Jordach REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
20:37 Jordach >apache2
20:37 Jordach >two domains
20:37 Jordach >certbot
20:38 Jordach >nextcloud and pomf fighting for first place
20:38 Jordach both addresses must have pomf at the site root, and nextcloud at /nextcloud/
20:39 sfan5 >not using nginx
20:39 celeron55 i wonder what would be too big a joke
20:39 celeron55 like, what if windows was a joke
20:39 Jordach mv pomf.conf 0pomf.conf
20:39 Jordach >restarts apache
20:39 Jordach >shit works
20:39 celeron55 all the microsoft investors and executives think it's funny
20:39 celeron55 and just go on and almost die laughing in meetings
20:39 Jordach why does apache sort by fucking name and not by site-enabled date
20:41 celeron55 name is a whole lot more controllable
20:41 celeron55 that's what udev does too; you just add zeroes to the begin if you want to be first
20:41 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/nRZoXdu.png
20:42 Jordach my word of the day rhymes with punt
20:42 paramat celeron55 i made a MT car for you https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6363#issuecomment-329066307 'Car55' it has the finnish flag on the roof. from my mod 'mesecar'
20:42 Jordach >nissan cube
20:42 Jordach >not a dorito spinner mazda
20:44 paramat the mod also has a 'nyancart', 'oerkka' and a 'mesecar'
20:45 paramat screenshot https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=7967
20:50 benrob0329 MTG needs more humor
20:51 paramat they're crafted using a mese battery, run on 'mesecon' power i guess
20:52 Jordach celeron55, how to fix apache2
20:52 Jordach blob:https://imgur.com/df294206-​3feb-4c8f-b901-403fdbfc327c
20:52 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/Dynx9IM.png
20:55 Jordach i forgot mv for a moment
20:58 nerzhul rename by copy, LOL
20:58 nerzhul i hope your file is not 100GB of data :p
20:58 Jordach simple apache conf file
20:58 Jordach certbot became literally autistic
20:58 nerzhul certbot is for LE ?
20:58 celeron55 if you use cp -l, it'll be fast 8)
20:58 Jordach yep
20:59 nerzhul i use acme-client on FreeBSD it works like a charm, my nginx configuration is reloaded and my dovecot/postfix configuration too, i have nothing to do, BSD powa :p
20:59 nerzhul celeron55, hardlink crap :p
20:59 nerzhul but faster
21:00 celeron55 mv is basically cp -l and rm
21:00 nerzhul you can also do ln -s :p
21:00 nerzhul cat file > file2 && rm -f file
21:00 nerzhul :p
21:02 nerzhul rsync -avP file file2
21:12 benrob0329 nerzhul: doesn't actually copy the data, just changes the nodes in the index afaik
21:13 benrob0329 Wait, was thinking of mv
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21:14 Fixer rename with copy and delete?
21:14 benrob0329 It doesn't need to actually move the data, just rename the path
21:14 benrob0329 So what's the difference?
21:15 Fixer /music plays
21:17 Jordach *chords to mac plus starts playing*
21:18 benrob0329 Linux: OSS doesn't do everything we want, so let's create a brand new sound system embedded in the kernel incompatible with everyone else that still has many of the same issues the old on has, and then make another layer on top of that because we wont just patch the base system to do what we want.
21:19 benrob0329 FreeBSD: Lets just add the features we want
21:19 Jordach Linux's turn of desktop of the year: ETA HL3
21:20 benrob0329 There are reasons i'd move to FreeBSD in a heartbeat if drivers allowed it
21:22 benrob0329 If Vega support rolls out though...
21:23 benrob0329 "Mom! Get your credit card!"
21:24 celeron55 free software was created because of politics, but politics is what ruins free software
21:24 celeron55 it's weird
21:26 celeron55 i guess it's a matter of not being dumb vs. being dumb
21:27 nerzhul benrob0329, same for me, i talked with bapt this evening about that (he is french and i meet him IRL)
21:27 nerzhul BSD are not for hype but working good
21:27 benrob0329 Cool
21:27 benrob0329 I was just told that 12-RELEASE will have Vega Support
21:29 nerzhul yes i see i'm on the chan, but he is not a core team member we will see, 11.1 is recent, don't hope for 12 before a 11.2 at least :)
21:29 benrob0329 True
21:31 benrob0329 But idc of I have to run a Linux VM to play steam Games, FreeBSD is a really nice OS as far as Unixes go
21:37 Fixer *,,,,,,*
21:38 Fixer buy amd ryzen and two GPUs @ install linux @ install windows in KVM with PCI-passthrough @ die as elite monk
21:42 Jordach https://i.redd.it/la5ueclqaklz.png
21:42 Fixer Jordach: bestest
21:51 Fixer celeron55: free as in freedom
22:04 shivajiva free as in free beer maybe
22:06 celeron55 free as in freely give your personal information to drug and porn companies and the NWO
22:06 celeron55 wait, what are we talking about?
22:06 celeron55 8)
22:06 shivajiva :O
22:07 shivajiva beer ofc
22:07 Fixer FREEDOM
22:07 celeron55 beerdom
22:07 shivajiva or doughnuts
22:07 Shara I'll take the doughnuts
22:08 shivajiva haha
22:08 shivajiva that came from nowhere :P
22:08 Shara I sense when there are doughnuts
22:09 celeron55 i'll take the NWO; just give me a space station with lasers
22:09 shivajiva would that be for Nibiru's arrival
22:11 celeron55 let multiple uses
22:11 celeron55 let's say, multiple uses*
22:11 celeron55 (this keyboard hates me)
22:16 celeron55 i wonder, if i made/led a game for minetest, if anyone would want to bundle it with the engine
22:16 paramat probably
22:16 celeron55 probably most packagers have a very different taste than i do
22:17 paramat we really need new subgames
22:17 celeron55 really the only way i would enjoy it would be if it would be packaged no matter what i put in it
22:18 celeron55 any oversight by others and the artist in me dies
22:18 paramat heh i'd actually be ok with that, we don't lose anything however weird or silly it is
22:21 paramat (i like weird or silly)
22:21 Shara I like weird/silly if it's also good :)
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22:22 benrob0329 Seeing as how Minetest was made as a joke, nothing else really fits :D
22:26 paramat anyway let me know if you need a new specialised mapgen for it
22:36 sfan5 celeron55: do you happen to know the difference between the SAO attrs m_removed and m_pending_deactivation?
22:37 sfan5 the comments in serverobject.h both describe the same procedure
22:46 sfan5 code sets m_pending_deactivation = false on newly created SAOs while false is the default especially if you create new ones
22:46 sfan5 ???
22:46 sfan5 it all makes no sense
22:57 celeron55 sfan5: m_removed means the object will be removed when possible (i.e. when clients know about the removal), m_pending_deactivation means the object will be deactivated (i.e. turned to a static object for storage) after it has been removed from the clients
22:57 celeron55 from the client's perspective, both look the same
22:58 sfan5 hm
22:58 celeron55 from the server's perspective, a deactivated one is saved unlike a removed one which is put to /dev/null
22:58 sfan5 the comments certainly don't do a good job of explaining that distinction
22:59 celeron55 feel free to improve i guess
23:05 sfan5 the object related code in serverenvironment.cpp has way too many almost identical code segments that do the same thing in different contexts
23:06 sfan5 e.g. clearObjects() has code to delete static data from a block and so does removeRemovedObjects()
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