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00:23 benrob0329 nerzhul: is it possible to add a git option to the FreeBSD port?
00:24 benrob0329 That could be a cool way of building git without needing a separate package
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02:15 ircSparky can an object set its model or texture to a model or texture file from a different mod?
02:17 paramat yes if it depends on that mod
02:17 ircSparky ok
02:18 paramat or, i expect so :]
02:18 ircSparky so there wouldn't be an easy way to change a player's model with //lua from WE?
02:18 ircSparky (turn them into a chicken)
02:22 paramat not sure what // can do in WE
02:23 ircSparky what i tried was
02:23 ircSparky //lua minetest.get_player_by_name("​sparky"):set_properties({mesh = "creatures:creatures_chicken.b3d" })
02:24 ircSparky but it sounds like that would only workif the model was saved in worldedit, or a dependant mod
02:33 benrob0329 ircSparky: you could add a custom mod as an optional dependency of WE
02:33 benrob0329 And have that mod depend on all the others
02:34 ircSparky k, thanks!
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03:22 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/IrACoP5Rehg
03:22 benrob0329 Why do I feel like Minetest could be that engine, if we pushed it a little
03:26 sofar because you have unrealistic expectations?
03:26 sofar :P
03:28 benrob0329 sofar: Half Life is from 1996, surely we can at least reach that level of modernness?
03:29 sofar I'm not even sure what you think is bad about minetest. in essence I see nothing that MT couldn't do
03:29 benrob0329 It lacks real physics, proper lighting, shaders of any kind
03:30 sofar that video wasn't exactly rich on shaders either
03:30 benrob0329 Our biggest problem is how much of a pain entities are to work with
03:31 benrob0329 And how laggy particles are
03:31 sofar solution: entity_ai
03:31 sofar solution: csm particles
03:31 benrob0329 Exactly
03:31 sofar plus csm code sending
03:31 benrob0329 Minetest could be used for that kind of mapping
03:32 benrob0329 Solution: actually saving all entities
03:32 benrob0329 Or is that not a problem anymore?
03:33 sofar they're already saved
03:33 sofar the remaining issue is that /clearobjects nukes them
03:33 sofar plus, irregardless, the problem isn't saving entities
03:33 sofar the problem is a proper spawning engine
03:34 sofar something I intend to tackle along with entity_ai
03:34 benrob0329 Also, we don't have a handy way to have look, but don't touch maps
03:34 benrob0329 Or gamemode included maps
03:35 benrob0329 You would have to define all custom nodes
03:36 benrob0329 And then you have to use special tools to edit (as we see with insidethebox)
03:38 sofar huh?
03:39 sofar insidethebox's edit tool was a quick workaroung an engine bug
03:39 sofar one that was fixed in 0.4.16
03:39 sofar so we're phasing the edit tool out atm
03:40 sofar player specific "no touch" maps could be easily implemented already
03:40 sofar just remove the interact priv, for instance
03:40 sofar that's just one solution
03:40 sofar besides, if any, itb demonstrates that all these things are possible and doable
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03:50 benrob0329 sofar: no ineract is a little too far, doors still need to be openable, just that the map can't be chopped through
03:51 sofar yeah, which is what itb does
03:51 sofar that's not even challenging tbh
04:02 sofar itb isn't a super complex thing, it just combines some creative solutions to scalability problems that a straight mtg derived approach wouldn't be able to sustain
04:02 sofar for instance how we store/load boxes
04:02 sofar but we don't escape lua at all
04:02 paramat MT is a voxel game engine, it's not meant to look like a realistic half life type FPS game
04:03 sofar well with models it totally could
04:03 sofar who says you need to use nodes
04:03 sofar MT could care less, you can make a game in MT and never program a single node
04:03 sofar (sure, add air and a few things to shut up mapgen ;))
04:04 sofar heck, you could program a game entirely with particles alone
04:05 paramat yes
04:06 sofar my next project: multiplayer server where you can play tetris
04:06 sofar kek
04:06 sofar heck that would totes be doable
04:06 sofar falling nodes? check
04:18 benrob0329 paramat: half life is far from realistic
04:18 benrob0329 Watch that video, everything has a very low res, even blocky feel to it
04:19 benrob0329 The most complicated thing I can see is the slide out drawers that push the player away
04:22 benrob0329 Well that an lip sync, even if it is 90s lip sync
04:23 paramat yeah, as sofar wrote we could probably get close, but still, MT isn't for that type of game
05:15 benrob0329 I wonder what a high poly tech demo map for minetest would look like...
05:17 benrob0329 Perhaps I should attempt that, just for fun
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13:05 rubenwardy CSM particles won't make particles faster
13:05 rubenwardy The problem is that each particle is drawn as an individual scene node
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13:28 nerzhul it just permit to prevent latency from serverf, it's a little enhancement but not optimal
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13:40 DS-minetest hi
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14:20 Fixer *,,,,,,*
14:20 Fixer mt particles are joke
14:21 Fixer until recently you can shutdown any play on server by enabling just 10 water faucets
14:21 Fixer with fps going down to unplayable levels
14:24 Fixer actually you can still nuclear bomb certain place with faucets, it will affect only that area though, you can troll someone but placing secret faucet bomb underground and enable them
14:24 Fixer by*
14:24 Fixer enabling*
14:25 Fixer servers with homedecor is good target
14:27 Fixer hmmhmhmhmhm
14:28 Bobr2 hi
14:46 nerzhul Fixer, kim jong il ?
14:47 Fixer nerzhul: of minetest
14:48 benrob0329 Kim Wat Er
14:58 Fixer nerzhul: in kim's voice "I will bomb your 0.4.15 server, 20 nuclear faucet bomb will destroy you"
15:00 Fixer "patches aimed at fixing a hole in .Net that allowed a bad RTF file"
15:00 Fixer nice, I love smell of uranium at morning
15:00 Fixer but in IT
15:00 Fixer "Critical Bluetooth flaw could put nearly every connected device at risk of cyberattack"
15:01 Fixer could you feel it getting "better"?
15:04 Fixer any OS
15:21 benrob0329 Whats the flaw @Fixer?
15:27 Fixer benrob0329: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/blueborne-b​luetooth-security-flaws,news-25836.html
15:29 benrob0329 Oh yeah, maybe getting rid of the headphone Jack wasn't such a good idea
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15:46 Fixer hahha
15:47 Fixer that was for profit
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15:57 Fixer benrob0329: basically they dump it down to extract more profit, even my cheap halfdecade old shitphone has headphone jack, and buyers of new stuff are loosers now
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16:31 benrob0329 Hi tumeninodes, IhrFussel
16:31 IhrFussel Fixer, wouldn't work on my server...I heavily reduced the particles per second that appear...you would probably need 100+ faucets to make FPS drop a lot
16:32 tumeninodes Hi benrob, IhrFussel
16:32 tumeninodes benrob, I've been playing with the tardis... purty cool
16:33 tumeninodes have not had a chance/time to really do anything texture wise yet
16:33 benrob0329 Thanks, if you notice any bugs don't hesitate to make an issue :-)
16:34 tumeninodes well, it did take ame a few seconds to figure out I had to click the invisi-block at the door to get outside haha :P other than this I have seen no issues. May want to alter the selection box sizes though for the switch and the control panel
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16:35 tumeninodes hi Krock
16:36 Krock hi tumeninodes
16:38 tumeninodes it was good to learn about the process for textures and the difference between .png and .jpg when using pixel art for a game, thank you.
16:38 Krock Offtopic: http://www.overclockers.com.au​/images/newspics/8sep17/6.jpg
16:38 Krock np.
17:01 Fixer IhrFussel: hehe
17:08 IhrFussel And hi back
17:08 Fixer "It amazes me that of the 63 comments on this, other than Linux fan boys saying switch to Linux, the entire discussion is around the grammar of the title of the post. There's no discussion of what the bug is, how it manifests, how to trigger it, or what the possible ramifications are, or whether anyone actually doing AV products is actually relying on this information."
17:08 Fixer ^ internet in 2017
17:13 IhrFussel Do you consider tamable NPCs "slavery"? xP
17:18 Sokomine ihrfussel: it's just incomplete labeling as well :-) you don't "tame" them. you "bribe" them with a "salary" to work for you
17:23 Shara Hello
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17:30 IhrFussel Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is =P
17:30 IhrFussel Hi Shara and nerzhul
17:31 Shara Hi Fussel
17:34 tumeninodes Hi Sokomine and Shara
17:35 tumeninodes anyone wanna go over to #minetest and help deltasquared with a question regarding optional depends?
17:35 Sokomine IhrFussel: well, it gets a bit..odd..when you start breeding them. but breeding is odd in mobs_redo anyway. in theory, more food = good time to produce offsprings might still apply, and it does work gameplay-wise. i just don't like how they throw hearts around
17:36 Sokomine currently still busy with hardware coloring and the saw and my colormachine
17:36 nerzhul https://thehackernews.com/2017/09/win​dows-10-linux-evade-malware.html?m=1 hahaha
17:38 tumeninodes dangit, I originally logged in with a particles question and now forget what it was :P
17:39 CWz i wonder why my linux mint downloads keep failing
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17:48 benrob0329 Hey Calinou
17:48 benrob0329 Glad you joined us on the Matrix side :P
17:51 Fixer IhrFussel: no need for NPCs, there are players who actually want to be your slave
17:54 rubenwardy I would try out Matrix
17:54 rubenwardy but then I'd have to deal with the shame of being a Matrix user
17:55 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/Yd6NBm6w91.jpg
17:55 benrob0329 How is it shameful to use a federated,service?
18:04 Krock IRC is the only true communication service
18:06 sofar kind invite for folks to come play on "Inside the box" and give feedback, we have ~35 excellent puzzles at the moment, and builders making more as we speak
18:06 sofar I especially could use code/idea feedback ;)
18:09 sofar It also may be an excellent place where fanatic builders may showcase their skills, we've seen some really pretty builds already
18:14 * Krock tries to find an old 0.4.16-dev binary
18:19 Krock hmm.. "sudo" isn't implemented in the terminal yet
18:19 sofar afk
18:21 benrob0329 Krock: sudo install sudo
18:21 Krock "Syntax Error. Try \"help\"
18:21 Krock "
18:22 benrob0329 sudo pkg install sudo
18:34 Fixer "Equifax Had 'Admin' as Login and Password in Argentina"
18:34 Fixer kekekekekkekeekek
18:35 Fixer security
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18:38 Calinou_ there I am, I set up a Quassel core on my own PC
18:38 Calinou_ better than using Riot, but no offline backlog
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18:39 rubenwardy ZNC, Calinou_
18:39 rubenwardy it's really easy to set up
18:39 rubenwardy surprisingly so
18:40 Calinou rubenwardy: Quassel core is more or less the same thing
18:40 Calinou the issue is, my VPS has been suspended
18:40 Calinou (for the 2nd time in 1 year…)
18:41 rubenwardy huh
18:41 rubenwardy why?
18:41 rubenwardy I suggest getting a better hoster :)
18:42 Calinou they suspended me for "Phishing", I'm not joking
18:42 Calinou I have no idea why
18:42 Calinou maybe they're making up a reason so I can't appeal (I sent a ticket anyway, we'll see)
18:42 Calinou if they deny it, the data is lost forever, I guess
18:42 Calinou I'm having a terrible day today :(
18:43 Fixer Calinou: hawhahahaaha, (((((((((cloud))))))))) and such
18:43 Calinou I also have to get up at 7AM tomorrow
18:43 Calinou I'm already starting to dislike university, not because of the classes but because I don't get to talk at anyone there :(
18:43 rubenwardy Kimsufi is good
18:43 rubenwardy and french
18:44 rubenwardy dedis though
18:44 Calinou but they don't have RAID?
18:44 Calinou so, if a disk dies, it's all dead?
18:44 Fixer Calinou: you don't meet with people?
18:44 Calinou Fixer: I don't talk to them
18:44 sfan5 >dedis though
18:44 Fixer Calinou: in uni? how?
18:44 sfan5 isn't that an advantage?
18:44 rubenwardy yes
18:45 Calinou rubenwardy: also, they all seem to be HDDs, except for the small Atom ones
18:45 Calinou I'd rather have an SSD
18:45 Fixer Calinou: you don't have lectures or smth?
18:45 Calinou Fixer: I do
18:45 Calinou I had a lecture today
18:45 rubenwardy I use them for their CPU and RAM, not storage
18:45 Fixer Calinou: where people gathering in a big room
18:46 Calinou it was on OOP, we're going to use Java, it was boring since I already knew the basics
18:46 Calinou but I already fear this semester
18:46 Fixer and then you talk with them etc
18:46 Calinou (ending up with noobs for group projects, etc)
18:46 Calinou Fixer: people were talking to each other before the lecture, but I didn't
18:47 Krock Calinou, just make sure they're at least learning, otherwise it'll be really painful to do basically everything alone
18:47 Calinou I didn't even talk to the guy I knew from my former university, since he seems to not want me around him at all
18:47 Calinou Krock: well, if I get an opportunity to do the project alone, I might take it
18:47 Calinou better have no help than bad help
18:50 benrob0329 I like how people complain about Riot's UI, but never have any real suggestions on how to make it better
18:50 Krock a good task distribution usually helps in such cases :) There's always something to draw, research or discuss
18:51 Krock because complaining is easier than providing constructive help
18:52 Shara Calinou: kind of why I'm happy to do distance learning these days instead :P
18:53 sofar Krock: how far did you get? :)
18:53 benrob0329 I think riot looks fine with the dark theme, but I do have plans to make a client if my own eventually
18:54 Jordach >system that respects freedoms
18:55 Jordach >$4k USD
18:55 Krock sofar, tutorial 4, I believe. Couldn't find the 3rd chest
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18:55 * Krock silently cries while looking at PR 6413
18:56 Krock s/chest/unlock platform thingy/
18:56 sofar is that the big dirt pit with the cave?
18:57 Krock yes, it is.
18:57 sofar ahh yes, did you cross the lava?
18:57 Krock oh right! in the beginning I did, but then completely forgot about it
18:58 sofar hmm, if you've crossed the lava then I'm not sure what you have missed
18:58 sofar did you find the axe and put the wooden blocks to climb back up?
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18:59 Krock yes, also the sand push mechanism. If there was lava in this level, I completely missed it
19:00 sofar the lava is the part people usually miss
19:00 sofar after you do the sand piston thing and climb down, people climb back up and drop to the center
19:00 Krock the lava I have in mind is from a previous level, that's why I wasn't quite sure :)
19:00 sofar but you can find a cave entrance nearby as well
19:01 Krock then I haven't looked enough there to notice the cave
19:01 sofar just don't drop down and look for a torch as you go up the ladder
19:02 sofar I posted some player progression statistics, it seems that tutorial parts 4 and 5 cause players to give up
19:02 sofar so they never make it to the part where they can create boxes and discover the lobby
19:07 sofar Krock: any comments? :)
19:08 Krock comment to myself: never gonna give these levels up
19:08 sofar rick roll!
19:09 Krock but I must say that you or your helpers spent a lot time in the design
19:09 sofar I built the entire tutorial series myself
19:09 sofar and yes, it was a painful amount of time
19:10 sofar mostly because as I was designing the boxes, I constantly came up with new mechanics that we needed to get to make them interesting
19:10 Krock how about the subgame? It seems to use different nodes/textures and even contains special animations and functions
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19:10 sofar it's an entirely new game
19:10 sofar I think all we took from mtg was xpanes and some minor bits
19:10 Calinou Shara: I was homeschooled for 6 years, it helped me get better at computers and play Minecraft a lot :P (since I had lots of free time)
19:10 Krock hehe, nice!
19:10 sofar completely new textures, not a single one from mtg
19:10 Calinou but… it's not a nice thing to do, IMO
19:11 Calinou it made me completely isolated from people of my age
19:11 Krock it's really well done and offers more than I thought at the beginning when I was like "aww man, please not yet some boring mazes!"
19:12 benrob0329 Calinou: thats why homeschool groups exist
19:12 sofar Krock: it slowly gets even better, yes, we add more and more concepts slowly so it's easier for people to work with
19:13 sofar I'm also rejecting new boxes that people have made that are "not very original"
19:13 sofar e.g. 100 chests and 100 pedestals
19:13 sofar I've scared off a few players already I think
19:13 sofar but, better that than terrible mazes
19:15 benrob0329 I saw that one...it was. . . interesting
19:20 Shara Calinou: In my cases I'm choosing to study again really just because I can. I get more than enough contact with people from work, so wouldn't want the hassle of group projects with people I couldn't rely on on top of that.
19:20 Krock rubenwardy, mind having a short look at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6411 (especially the Lua part) whether it needs improvement or not?
19:20 Shara case*
19:21 Shara Only had to do one group project so far for this course, and it was a nightmare... none of them submitted a thing.
19:36 tumeninodes sofar, I love Inside the Box. I got stuck on level 5 tutorial but plan to try again tonight, greendimond gave me a hint. But overall, just excellent I love the mechanics for the floors
19:37 celeron55 i've passed the tutorial myself and then the first player-made puzzle it put me into was too stupid and difficult :P
19:38 tumeninodes show off
19:38 sofar ha!
19:38 sofar we have a hints-allowed policy
19:39 sofar so, if you want, ask for hints
19:39 Calinou I'm joining the Inside the Box server
19:39 sofar we're also on IRC so I can give hints to players while I can't log in to the game
19:39 sofar #insidethebox
19:39 tumeninodes yep, and thankful for that otherwise I would have to call level 5 stupid and difficult haha
19:39 sofar thanks to Kaeza's irc mod
19:40 sofar tumeninodes: there's about 35 levels now that are playable
19:40 sofar there's more to come back to
19:40 tumeninodes I have one really dumb question though, how do I use the terminals :P
19:40 celeron55 the one i ended up in after tutorial was one with a burning cave and a locked door after it below a ladder
19:40 tumeninodes that is a huge number, means lots of good contributions which is awesome
19:42 Calinou haha, on the server, I have 630 FPS if looking straight down
19:42 tumeninodes 0_o
19:43 sofar celeron55: I may have an idea which one that is. If you try again, ping me if you're stuck again :)
19:45 tumeninodes I wonder if I am the only one who physically leans forward IRL when jumping in game.. :P
19:47 tumeninodes I'm jonesing now, gonna go try level 5 again now o/
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19:49 tumeninodes oh wait... duh. I'm on level 8  :P
19:51 sofar last one I think
19:51 sofar technically the tutorial isn't finished
19:51 tumeninodes i love the floors
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19:55 Calinou casual framerate: https://lut.im/cAgqu1UeFI/kTkYJucLhYR9vtDf.png
19:56 sofar you shouldn't have any issues on my server, view range recommendation is 150max
19:56 Calinou yeah, I know :)
19:57 Calinou my framerate on a v6 map is 80-400 depending on how many blocks are loaded
19:57 sofar no box is larger than 40 or so nodes atm
19:57 sofar the lobby is 200x200 or so
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20:02 Krock Calinou, your eyes need an upgrade to handle the obvious super fast screen refresh rate you've got to display this.
20:03 Calinou it's only 60 Hz :p
20:03 sofar it ain't helping a bit, he's still stuck in part 4 of the tutorial
20:03 * sofar giggles
20:03 Calinou but, higher FPS lowers input lag and makes things smoother, even if not using vsync
20:03 Calinou yeah
20:03 Calinou I died in lava :D
20:04 Calinou I'm lagging on the server, because it's in the US
20:04 Calinou (RTT = 0.231)
20:04 sofar there's no penalty to dying
20:04 Calinou yeah, you just respawn at the beginning of the box
20:04 sofar honestly I'm wondering if I should make an EU server
20:04 sofar and just shadow the content
20:05 Calinou that could work
20:05 sofar I can already easily backup a puzzle and load it from file
20:05 sofar so publishing content back and forth would be simple
20:05 sofar they could even share DBs
20:05 sofar we use sqlite right now for everything, but it could entirely go into a replicated mysql
20:06 benrob0329 If only we had server federation...
20:34 Fixer vsync sucks
20:47 nerzhul sofar, use postgresql with replication
20:48 sofar sure, it's likely a lot better than mariadb's
20:48 sofar not relevant for now anyway, the server isn't seeing a big player load
20:48 nerzhul heh, binary replication is easy, not selective, but PostgreSQL 10.0 will be released in 1 month or 2 months and you will ahve publication streams for replicate object, it's better than both methods (pg binary + mariadb binlog)
20:49 nerzhul db is never the bottleneck, in case of pgsql/mariadb, it's the core engine
20:49 nerzhul permit huge server to scale is difficult due to the main thread
20:54 Calinou sofar: I took some screenshots of the server's spawn area, can I post them here?
20:54 Calinou (asking in case it's a spoiler or something :P)
20:54 sofar absolutely
20:54 Calinou ok :)
20:54 sofar there's screenshots on the forum of common areas already
20:55 sofar I still have to do an official video
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20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/8ufGqjGCAB/wgvFlYEd0X01ZBUN.png
20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/2r9CyqBXfS/oH8cyJXBVFNwCSKu.png
20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/sQF8Yhrdi0/Cdjw6iEL8YokizWF.png
20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/hXwc6ecxgo/biPFxA4c8ejcrQJe.png
20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/Pc3MYITXxC/DTM5HdqWGL30zzG4.png
20:59 Jordach Minetest with skybox mods: not a unity game
20:59 Calinou Jordach: it's an UE4 one /D
20:59 Calinou :D*
20:59 Calinou or, soon, a Godot 3.0 one ;)
20:59 Jordach Calinou, kitteh on my desk
21:00 Jordach Calinou, http://jordach.net/files/quzcj.jpg
21:00 Calinou the wall looks like you built something using blocks :P
21:00 Calinou (behind the kitten)
21:00 Jordach plastic tiles
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21:01 Jordach Calinou, he loves cuddling my damn keyboard
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21:03 Jordach Calinou, secondly, my site is a literal mirror of another in real time
21:03 nerzhul it's possible to change the skybox in MT ?
21:03 nerzhul and water too ? :o
21:03 * Jordach drops a jaw onto the floor and LEAVES it there
21:03 nerzhul those textues sounds nice
21:03 Calinou nerzhul: yeah, since years ago
21:04 nerzhul where does those textures comes from ?
21:04 sofar on my server?
21:04 nerzhul yes, the sky and the water
21:05 sofar essentially it's my skybox mod
21:05 sofar it's why I wrote it in the first place
21:05 sofar I just released it separately as well
21:05 sofar minetest-mods/skybox
21:06 sofar originally: https://93i.de/p/free-skybox-texture-set/
21:06 Grandolf im getting an error and im not sure how to fix it, heres a pastebin with the error under the code: https://pastebin.com/7MXh16uX
21:10 Amaz Grandolf: I think you need another } and , after line 29 of the paste.
21:15 Grandolf ty amaz
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21:16 Amaz np
21:18 sofar Amaz: any feedback on my "inside the box" server?
21:18 sofar I think you played a few times on it, right?
21:20 IhrFussel Guys could you probably implement a way for 0.5.0 that CHECKS if the client has an internet connection before adding/removing HUDs? It can get annoying real fast if the server relies on individual HUDs that appear/disappear and the client has no connection meaning the HUD never disappears until reconnect
21:21 Amaz sofar: It's really good :)
21:22 Amaz It's so great to have a game for Minetest that isn't a digging/building/minecrafty game
21:22 IhrFussel In my case I display teleport requests as text HUDs on screen and a lot of the times players complain about having the text forever on their screen, because they had no connection for a few secs when the server tried to remove it
21:22 sfan5 IhrFussel: that's not how it works
21:23 sfan5 at least now how it should
21:23 sfan5 hud removal should be a reliable packet
21:23 IhrFussel I experienced it myself an hour ago... a HUD text that should disappear after 15 secs never disappeared
21:24 Amaz It can be incredibally frustrating at times, but in a good way :P
21:24 IhrFussel I will provoke the bug now by disconnecting from network for a few secs after adding a HUD
21:24 sofar Amaz: thanks!
21:24 paramat IhrFussel "Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is" don't worry, it's not real life :D
21:25 sofar I'd love constructive criticism, but lavish praise is great! :D
21:25 Amaz sofar: np!
21:25 Fixer dub intensifies
21:25 Amaz I can't think of anything I could critize about it off the top of my head!
21:27 IhrFussel Weird...seems like it indeed disappears as soon as I re-enable my connection ... what else could cause this then hmm
21:28 sfan5 an actual bug
21:29 IhrFussel Can server lag maybe skip the HUD code under some circumstances?
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21:33 sfan5 no
21:42 IhrFussel paramat, https://newrepublic.com/article/108500/peta-vs-p​okemon-does-the-video-game-teach-animal-cruelty
21:45 sofar ha
21:45 sofar HA
21:45 sofar haaaaaaaa
21:46 IhrFussel “Much like animals in the real world,” read PETA’s statement, “Pokémon are treated as unfeeling objects and used for such things as human entertainment and as subjects in experiments. The way that Pokémon are stuffed into pokéballs is similar to how circuses chain elephants inside railroad cars and let them out only to perform confusing and often painful tricks that were taught using sharp steel-tipp
21:46 IhrFussel ed bullhooks and electric shock prods
21:47 IhrFussel They sound serious xP
21:47 Jordach sofar, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0​9/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/
22:01 sofar makes sense, for heating
22:02 sofar I would too (DISCLAIMER: NOT MY EMPLOYERS OPINION)
22:04 sofar Jordach: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=art​icle&item=tr1950x-7900x-3os&num=1
22:04 tumeninodes will eventually be called the AMD raisin
22:04 sofar (featuring my project "ClearLinux")
22:05 tumeninodes sofar, any interest in some involvment with Unity Linux, seems some dev has started again
22:06 sofar Unity? why?
22:06 tumeninodes Unity Linux was the project we started after we all left PCLinuxOS some years ago
22:07 tumeninodes it faded off, then one of the devs started working on it again, but it stalled again, now seems he is working on it again
22:07 tumeninodes not Unity DE
22:07 tumeninodes be back in a few
22:08 sofar are you asking me personally or me professionally, as part of a team working on a linux distribution, for Intel Corporation, full time?
22:08 tumeninodes part of a team on a Linux Dist. I know youre busy with a lot, just could even be a here n there type of part
22:09 tumeninodes I can't afford Intel's rates :P
22:09 sofar I've done too many linux distros to know that more than 1 isn't going to work
22:09 sofar so, in either case, I just don't have the time
22:10 sofar besides, they're paying me to work on ClearLinux
22:10 tumeninodes understandable, just thought Id ask.... Ahhhh, that's a very nice and unusual deal
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22:12 * rubenwardy looks at the most expensive CPU on pc part picker
22:12 rubenwardy damn...
22:12 sofar xeon parts can go 4000$+
22:12 rubenwardy yeah
22:12 benrob0329 II have thought of an illustration (the concept) to give people a concept of free sfotware
22:12 sofar hey, you want 48 cores?
22:13 rubenwardy my flatmate has some xeon in his desktop
22:13 rubenwardy his average usage is 10%
22:13 rubenwardy ...whilst playing GTA and running 4/5 vms...
22:15 sofar maxing it out is easy
22:15 benrob0329 Imagine for a moment that you are a school teacher, and you brought in a microscope to show the class. All the students think its the neatest thing, and one of them asks, "How does it work?". You reply, "I don't know."
22:15 benrob0329 "We aren't allowed to know."
22:32 tumeninodes No one ever mentions Oracle's processors (mainly for server anyway and costly)
22:32 rubenwardy Oracle makes processors?
22:33 tumeninodes yessir
22:33 tumeninodes https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/​06/30/oracle-takes-xeons-sparc-s7/
22:34 rubenwardy TIL
22:36 tumeninodes this too https://www.theregister.co.uk​/2017/07/05/oracle_sparc_m8/
22:43 Jordach fuck it
22:43 * Jordach starts development of a prototype block engine in UE4
22:44 benrob0329 ewww ue4
22:44 Jordach at least it's not Unity
22:44 Jordach :^)
22:44 Jordach and i can target linux without a fucking hundred dollar fee
22:45 benrob0329 But you have to compile for a hundred hours just to open the editor on it
22:45 Jordach >prebuilt on windows
22:46 Jordach how out of date are ye benrob0329
22:46 Jordach you should know by know that i run windows
22:46 benrob0329 Windows is horrid, horrid garbage and should go die in a hole
22:46 Jordach at least they're not GOOGLE
22:46 benrob0329 just because we can build software, does not mean we should be forced to
22:46 benrob0329 I know that
22:46 benrob0329 thus my statement :^)
22:47 Jordach benrob0329, chromebook died on update to a new version of chromeOS
22:47 Jordach >no repairs lmao
22:47 benrob0329 yeah thats not good either
22:47 Jordach i might give MS shit for doing stupid shit
22:47 Jordach but at least they admitted they were wrong
22:48 benrob0329 For pushing forced ads and restarts?
22:48 benrob0329 and screwing over Linux every update?
22:48 Jordach >azure now runs linux by default
22:48 Jordach :thinking:
22:48 benrob0329 and for breaking compatibility with the last version of the system, to the point where most apps couldnt even run without major patching
22:49 rubenwardy <Jordach> >azure now runs linux by default
22:49 rubenwardy well, the majority of the internet is Linux
22:49 tumeninodes Some sneak up behind you and bend you over..., others look you in the face and tell you they're gonna
22:50 Jordach rubenwardy, why'd you think MS is taking the "rolling release" option with windows 10
22:50 Jordach i've installed CU and seen 0 issues to date
22:51 rubenwardy no where near as many people would use Azure if it was windows only
22:51 rubenwardy no idea what CU is
22:51 rubenwardy and I've had 10x more issues on Windows 10 then Linux
22:51 rubenwardy and I only used Windows 10 for like 3 months
22:52 Jordach rubenwardy, it's more of a case of deprecating win32
22:52 rubenwardy driver issues, slow context menus
22:52 Jordach or even win16 plaguing things
22:52 tumeninodes windows vista was supposed to be a whole new, from scratch OS, that was a lie... just more patches
22:53 tumeninodes every new release is just more bondo to cover the decaying undercarriage
22:54 Jordach tumeninodes, the result of keeping Win16 around
22:54 tumeninodes they even removed MSPaint, what the hell does that do?? MSPaint was about the only non-bland part of the entire OS
22:54 Jordach Win32 was mostly built onto it, with toothpicks
22:54 tumeninodes more like matchsticks... just waiting to go up... poof :P
22:55 tumeninodes MS will never have anything to fear market wise... they will always remain a "standard" in the industry
22:56 Jordach tumeninodes, and yet, linux doesn't have commercial or paid support other than oracle, (but that's for their own systems)
22:56 Jordach communistic software doesn't make the world go round ;)
22:56 rubenwardy redhat
22:56 rubenwardy centos
22:56 tumeninodes well, some have commercial support
22:56 tumeninodes ^that
22:56 tumeninodes and ^that
22:57 rubenwardy don't ubuntu do it as well? At least canonical
22:57 tumeninodes canonical has their sticky fingers in many things :D
22:57 Jordach like windows ;)
22:57 Jordach Kappa
22:57 tumeninodes Im not sure in regards to paid support though
22:57 tumeninodes touche
22:58 tumeninodes I think opensuse does though
22:58 rubenwardy also, it's probably worth stopping offtopic at some point
22:58 tumeninodes redhat is the big dawg though
22:58 Jordach tumeninodes, rubenwardy the point is, windows is known to be very reliable on lots of x86 hardware with obscure crap
22:58 Jordach like printers
22:59 tumeninodes true... so "on topic"..., does Minetest offer commercial support? :P
22:59 Jordach come back to me when that inkjet or laser has a decent driver that works with most things out of the box without a windows machine to get it rolling
22:59 rubenwardy I'd offer commercial support
22:59 rubenwardy for a small fee of $1 USD
22:59 rubenwardy oops
22:59 rubenwardy $1m USD
22:59 tumeninodes I can't... Ima too stupidz
23:00 tumeninodes give that "m" a smaller fine print and your good t go with a signed contract
23:01 Jordach rubenwardy, fun fact, Epic games are fantastic with UE4 licensing
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23:01 Jordach the only silly bit is the asset store, that almost nobody touches
23:01 tumeninodes Jordach, thing is..., most often quite a few drivers can be found for virtually everything under Linux, which can be d/l and patched in minus adware
23:02 Jordach tumeninodes, doesn't take a retard to install things
23:02 Jordach especially if you know how to use your eyes left to right looking at a thing called english
23:02 tumeninodes true, I'm a retard and install many things :D
23:03 tumeninodes I will admit, Windows has Linux beat with language support often
23:03 Jordach tumeninodes, windows does many things right, which it should
23:03 Jordach silent software is the best way to know everythiing is perfect
23:03 tumeninodes well for the price, it really should and then some
23:04 tumeninodes I really wish they would go back to providing a physical install disc though rather than this ghosting crap
23:05 tumeninodes (when one purchases hardware with Windows pre-installed)
23:05 tumeninodes many end users completely neglect or even forget to create that back up DVD and then when there is a problem, it is no fun
23:07 rubenwardy Minetest has so many issues that offering commercial support is completely unviable
23:07 tumeninodes the purchaser has the right to a physical copy of what they purchased (which is to MS the license sticker on the machine, not the software itself)
23:08 tumeninodes hahahaha.... a huge call center team would be needed, which would probably cost more than the incoming from paid support clients
23:09 tumeninodes another reason, (and would never see such support from Minecraft either) imagine the sort of calls that would some in??? SOme 9yo screaming bloody murder for getting banned
23:09 tumeninodes *c
23:12 * Shara gets nightmares just thinking about it
23:12 tumeninodes A side note, I do still have a completely virgin XP install, still works good as day one because it has never seen the web. ; )
23:13 tumeninodes haha Hi Shara. You know from being on the front lines too long
23:13 rubenwardy a 9 year old wouldn't pay for support
23:13 tumeninodes mommy & daddy would though
23:13 Shara Some of the "grown ups" can be just as bad as the children
23:14 rubenwardy http://minetest.com/2012/04/minetest-has-sounds/
23:14 rubenwardy Minetest has some amazing features
23:14 tumeninodes I don't doubt that
23:15 * Shara still doesn't ever use sound :P
23:16 tumeninodes rotflmao
23:17 tumeninodes is it me... or was the sound better then? 0_o
23:17 tumeninodes no reverb
23:17 tumeninodes rubenwardy, have you been following thinmatrix?? did you ever check his dev stuff out?
23:17 Shara I just cannot play the game with sound. It's too many kinds of bad.
23:18 rubenwardy wow, that's cool
23:18 rubenwardy Shara, yeah, the sounds suck
23:19 * rubenwardy follows ThinMatrix on twitter
23:19 rubenwardy Should do a kick starter for sounds and textures
23:19 Shara Problem is lack of music
23:20 rubenwardy that too, and ambience
23:20 Shara The foot steps and things just sound waay too loud and out of place without music in the background to blend them into
23:20 rubenwardy those require engine work though
23:20 Shara and yes, decent ambient sound in general
23:20 tumeninodes I have to have sound, for some reason I get messed up if I don't. And... I hit something on accident playing Inside The Box today and killed the music... and can't fix it
23:21 tumeninodes ambience is tough
23:21 Shara It's not even that the specific sounds present are all out bad, just that they have nothing to fit in with to make them natural
23:21 tumeninodes I think focusing more on mood music is key
23:21 Shara tumeninodes: it's odd, because MT is literally the only game I can play without sound
23:22 Shara ANy other game I try, no sound messes me up completely.
23:22 sofar tumeninodes: I checked and your settings say that you have sound disabled
23:22 sofar tumeninodes: when you re-enable it, sound DOES NOT PLAY until you change a box
23:22 sofar of course, sound effects still remain enabled
23:23 tumeninodes but this is probably due to those games having superior mood music which overplay the ambient sounds
23:23 Shara The only time I let sound play is if a server has a weather mod with thunder sounds :)
23:23 sofar the music on my server runs at a 0.2 gain level - much lower than most sound effects
23:23 tumeninodes Ahhhh, ok sofar, thank you
23:23 Shara But then I end up standing still because everything else I hear annoys me, so I stop playing :P
23:24 * Shara still needs a good weather mod for a server
23:24 tumeninodes sofar, that gravel could be padded a bit
23:25 tumeninodes The first time I entered a box on Inside The Box, the doors closed and I heard the "DOOOM!!!" sound, I got nervous, thought I did something wrong/bad and was gonna die haha
23:26 tumeninodes but, with no sound, I can't play at all..., any game
23:55 rubenwardy oh man
23:55 rubenwardy http://c55.me/minetest2/
23:55 rubenwardy that is amazing
23:55 rubenwardy so much nostalgia

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