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00:00 rubenwardy no?
00:00 wilkgr The free beta is pretty cool
00:00 wilkgr One sec
00:00 wilkgr I'll get the link
00:00 rubenwardy also, did you know that you can host a static site with a custom domain name (which are very cheap) for free using Github pages?
00:00 wilkgr https://steelraven7.itch.io/ravenfield
00:00 wilkgr I did indeed, I just needed PHP for a couple of my things
00:01 rubenwardy ah, fair
00:01 wilkgr (I have an incident form for servers that saves to a MySQL DB, sends an email to the admin. On the 1st of each month it sends a 'monthly digest' of what happened in the previous month)
00:02 rubenwardy I use NGINX magic to mix Github pages content with my own scripts. You don't get the nice CDN or the freeness, but it's convenient to push updates
00:02 rubenwardy ah, cool
00:02 wilkgr "NGINX magic" I'll need to check that out
00:03 rubenwardy by NGINX magic, I literally mean location blocks :D
00:03 rubenwardy NGINX configs are so much nicer than .htaccess
00:03 wilkgr :)
00:04 wilkgr I only use .htaccess for IP-based allowing xD
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00:53 wilkgr rubenwardy, and then there is stuff like this. I think I made this late 2015 or so. http://wilkgr.altervista.org/mt/
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02:22 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: CavesRandomWalk: Make 'lava_depth' a mapgen parameter 2652d8d https://git.io/vQIik (2017-06-22T02:14:56Z)
02:22 MinetestBot [git] Gael-de-Sailly -> minetest/minetest: Add minetest.rgba function that returns ColorString from RGBA or RGB … bc53c82 https://git.io/vQIiI (2017-06-22T02:11:50Z)
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06:19 zyabin101 :http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2017-06-16#i_4976683 KaeChat?
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09:00 IhrFussel If I copy the auth file, modify the contents and replace it with the original auth file...will the engine still accept it as its auth file?
09:01 IhrFussel And replace the modofoed version with the original one from the world*
09:01 IhrFussel modified*
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09:18 IhrFussel ^ Question has been answered
09:31 sigz 33°c.. it's 11
09:31 sigz 11:30
09:31 sigz pfffff
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09:58 sigz humm is it possible in the api to change a node's textures ? because i'm currently makin 2 nodes for the same "block" only to change it's texture (with a swap_node) and I doesn't know if it's the correct way to do it
09:58 sigz s/doesn't/don't
10:02 IhrFussel sigz, AFAIK that's something being worked on right now
10:03 IhrFussel To be able to change the node definition runtime
10:07 sigz another quick question, how can I avoid a node to be collected after destroying it ?
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10:14 IhrFussel sigz, try on_dig = function(pos, node, digger) return false end inside the node definition
10:15 IhrFussel But that will prevent the node from being digged I think... try on_destruct = function(pos) return end
10:15 IhrFussel dug*
10:16 IhrFussel If all else fails you might have to use minetest.remove_node(pos)
10:16 sigz humm I see
10:17 sigz the return on on_destruct() didn't worked
10:18 Nox[Matrix] Can I turn of the need of a red dye for a bed? It's really annoying
10:19 IhrFussel Nox[Matrix], you can edit the beds mod code..just remove the dye from the crafting recipe
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10:20 Nox[Matrix] Hm, I'll see
10:20 Nox[Matrix] I request removing it per default
10:21 Nox[Matrix] Even if I can get it work, it's still annoying to do that every time
10:23 Nox[Matrix] The minetest devs don't care about vanilla gameplay
10:23 Nox[Matrix] That annoys me
10:25 IhrFussel To be fair you get red dye from red flowers and those can be found pretty easily ... but you can suggest it at github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues
10:29 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: I can't find any red flowers
10:29 Nox[Matrix] Only blue , Yellow and purple
10:30 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: I find red mushrooms everywhere, why not making a dye of them
10:31 IhrFussel That's bad luck then...I don't know why the MT Game devs decided to use dye for beds/don't allow mushrooms ... best is to just file an issue on the page I posted
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10:32 Nox[Matrix] Also the world generator is broken, it only generates snowy dead land
10:32 Nox[Matrix] I can't even find trees
10:32 jcalve can mushrooms be farmed?
10:34 IhrFussel Nox[Matrix], are you using the newest version? Also mapgen v7?
10:35 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: yes
10:36 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: also I created already an issue but i get told that I should use mods and that minetest_game is not a game but a base for mods
10:38 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: it's pretty rare that I get a good nap where I can get all stuff
10:40 IhrFussel Nox[Matrix], yes you need mods if you want to enjoy Minetest ... my server has 154 mods for example ... I'd say Minetest isn't complete without external mods
10:46 Nox[Matrix] IhrFussel: why creating a "game" if it's supposed to be incomplete
10:50 Nox[Matrix] I have a problem with the fact that the devs create a game that is incomplete without mods, then the devs should not bring it with the engine
10:52 Nox[Matrix] Its like I have to download DLCs to make the game useful, didn't know that the minetest devs are ex workers from EA
10:52 Raven262 I think that minetest needs some kind of mod manager that actually works.
10:53 Raven262 Also, I think that minetest should be bundled with more subgames, not only mtgame and minimal dev test
10:53 PureTryOut[m] I have to agree with Noxarivis. if the game is not complete without mods, and there is no intent to make it complete, it should not be shipped by default
10:53 PureTryOut[m] and yeah, a built-in mod manager of some kind would be nice
10:54 Raven262 There is already a "mod manager" of sorts
10:54 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: minetest needs to create a good default game or stop it
10:54 Raven262 That too
10:54 Raven262 But the default game is not made to be playable, rather a placeholder
10:54 Raven262 at least they are making it that way
10:54 PureTryOut[m] which is stupid, as new players will think it's made to be playable
10:54 Raven262 Indeed.
10:54 Nox[Matrix] Separating engine and game is ok but don't ship the engine with a broken gamer
10:55 Nox[Matrix] PureTryOut: Raven262  something has to change not only soon
10:56 Nox[Matrix] Shoutouts to GZdoom, the engine for doom games, they don't ship a crippled version of a fan make doom
10:56 Raven262 yeah xD
10:56 Nox[Matrix] Goddamn
10:56 Raven262 They don't ship any version actually
10:56 Raven262 you can't play any game is you don't have iwads
10:56 Raven262 *if
10:56 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: see, that would be acceptable to minetest
10:57 Raven262 yes, for user to install the engine, and then download a subgame of his choice
10:57 Nox[Matrix] We have to contact the devs about this major issue
10:57 Nox[Matrix] Best, send them the chat history
10:57 red-001 pro-tip: don't bother
10:58 Raven262 Many have tried :P
10:58 Raven262 And the main dev isn't here right now
10:58 Raven262 If we can call him the main dev
10:58 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: spam it then
10:58 Raven262 xD
10:58 red-001 we ship minimal and that agurable isn't even a game
10:58 red-001 not even a sandbox one
11:00 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: PureTryOut  the funny thing is that the most problems with minetest_game could be solveable
11:00 red-001 only snow eh?
11:00 red-001 the chances are you are just in a learn biome
11:00 red-001 large*
11:00 red-001 but do check your mapgen flags you might have messed them up
11:00 Nox[Matrix] red-001: 10 hours in two days walking in the same direction
11:01 Nox[Matrix] red-001: it's not just a large biome
11:01 red-001 random number generators are weird at times
11:01 red-001 alright then you must have messed up mapgen flags
11:01 Nox[Matrix] red-001: I don't touch any config file
11:01 red-001 or you have some werid map seed that messed up mapgen
11:01 Nox[Matrix] red-001: everything is vanilla
11:02 Nox[Matrix] red-001: default mapseed on Android
11:02 red-001 could you try and create a new world and see if it also happens?
11:02 red-001 but do try and record the seed you have
11:02 red-001 knowing it would be useful for debugging
11:04 red-001 or maybe this is another of those android only bugs
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11:07 red-001 hi proller
11:07 proller hi
11:09 Nox[Matrix] red-001: no it's not everytime
11:10 Nox[Matrix] Just to 80% its doing that
11:10 Nox[Matrix] red-001: you said that finding a red flower is easy, why?
11:14 Nox[Matrix] red-001: I find thousands of yellow ones
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11:20 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix CSM crash caused by move to C++11. (#6027) 8b9f40d https://git.io/vQLcs (2017-06-22T11:18:58Z)
11:22 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: LINT fix 8dd548c https://git.io/vQLc0 (2017-06-22T11:20:20Z)
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11:56 Nexus24680 Hello
11:57 Nexus24680 Can anyone help me with this subgame that I modded?
11:57 Nexus24680 It's showing a bunch of errors and I've been able to fix most of them
11:58 Nexus24680 But it keeps telling the same
11:58 Nexus24680 A couple errors
11:58 Raven262 What errors were you unable to fix?
11:58 Nexus24680 Here's a screenshot
12:00 Nexus24680 https://ufile.io/tte2v
12:01 Raven262 the "mcl_" mods are missing, you removed them?
12:01 Raven262 i bet thatt hey were a part of the original game
12:02 Raven262 *that
12:02 Nexus24680 That's why I'm asking
12:02 Nexus24680 All those mods are there
12:02 Nexus24680 And it keeps telling me that
12:03 Raven262 did you enable them then?
12:03 Nexus24680 I removed some. But kept the ones that other mod depended on
12:03 Nexus24680 Yes, they're on both the mods folder and subgame mods folder
12:03 Nexus24680 If you want, I can send you the subgame so you can take a look
12:04 Raven262 you can remove them from mods folder, they only need to be in the subgame mods
12:04 Raven262 also, villagers mod won't work without mg_villages
12:05 Raven262 tsm_railcorridors was modified in this subgame, you can get the original one which doesn't have these dependencies
12:06 sfan5 a complete error log would be helpful
12:06 sfan5 finding the problem from just this extract is guesswork
12:07 * Raven262 does his guesswork
12:07 Raven262 xD
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12:09 texmex Is there a way to detect if player face (camera) is underwater?
12:09 Nexus24680_ I got disconnected.
12:09 Nexus24680_ Did you said something to me
12:09 Nexus24680_ Raven
12:10 sfan5 http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2017-06-22#i_4983724
12:10 Raven262 Nexus24680_, i don't know, what was the last thing you recieved?
12:11 sfan5 texmex: minetest.get_node(vector.add(player:getpos(), {x=0, y=2, z=0})).name == "default:water_source"
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12:11 zyabin101 @Nexus24680_ For the cases where you lose your nick, NickServ is your friend
12:11 Nexus24680_ I checked the log anyway
12:11 sfan5 obviously needs cases for flowing water and might need some rounding
12:11 Nexus24680_ Here's the link to the subgame so you can install it and see the error for yourselves
12:11 * zyabin101 returns to making graphics for yet another subgame project
12:11 Nexus24680_ I warn you that the error doesn't appear fast
12:12 Nexus24680_ You have to load the game and quit and load it again for it to appear
12:12 sfan5 Nexus24680_: not to be rude, but if you expect people to install some random stuff just to voltunarily help you then don't expect any
12:12 Nexus24680_ Are you saying its a virus? 😂😂😂
12:13 sfan5 you missed the point
12:13 Nexus24680_ Well, what was it?
12:13 texmex sfan5: Wow, that's super helpful. Could not have figured that out myself :D Thanks.
12:14 Nexus24680_ OK, will it be better if I just upload a debug.text file?
12:14 sfan5 yes
12:14 sfan5 texmex: that sounds slightly ironic considering how simple it is :D
12:14 Nexus24680_ OK (quickly opens Pastebin)
12:15 texmex sfan5: Coming from a non-coder I can confirm it is not ironic, believe me :)
12:16 texmex sfan5: If you happen to recall my post_effect_color questions the other day, this is the same project but I've decided another approach (hud overlays). We'll see how glitchy it'll be…
12:16 sfan5 that sounds like it just might work
12:23 Nexus24680_ There you go, svan
12:23 Nexus24680_ https://pastebin.com/3rQpsvBE
12:23 Nexus24680_ Sorry, sfan5
12:23 sfan5 you have some mods installed twice
12:23 sfan5 once in the subgame, once in the mods folder
12:24 Raven262 as i said you need only mods in subgame, Nexus24680_
12:24 sfan5 yeah that seems to cause the problem
12:24 Nexus24680_ I do. And I did. But the errors keep appearing no matter what
12:26 Nexus24680_ OK, I deleted the duplicated mods
12:26 Nexus24680_ The errors keep apeearing
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12:28 Nexus24680_ Are you guys still online?
12:29 sfan5 yes
12:29 sfan5 if the errors still appear then upload the debug.txt you get now
12:29 Nexus24680_ OK
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12:35 Nexus24680 Here it is, sfan5
12:35 Nexus24680 https://pastebin.com/M3D5Gp04
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12:37 Nexus24680 Sfan5???
12:38 sfan5 2017-06-22 08:31:18: ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "ambience" "hud_hunger" "mcl_chests"
12:38 sfan5 you are missing those
12:38 Nexus24680 I have them
12:38 Nexus24680 In the subgame mods folder
12:39 Nexus24680 That's why I wanted you to download it.
12:39 Nexus24680 Because you'll understand it better
12:39 sfan5 at which path exactly do you have them
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12:46 Nexus24680 sdcard-Minetest-games-minetest_game-mods-
12:46 Nexus24680 Substitute dashes for slashes
12:49 sfan5 hm
12:49 sfan5 that sounds correct
12:49 sfan5 3d_armor is still duplicate btw
12:50 sfan5 also whereever those "mcl_" mods come from, they don't seem to play nice with the default mod set
12:50 sfan5 e.g. they try to overwrite a few trees, stairs or such
12:52 Nexus24680 In English, please
12:52 Nexus24680 😂😂😂
12:52 sfan5 those mcl_ mods you added are not compatible with the rest of minetest_game
12:54 Nexus24680 So how do I modify them so they will be compatible?
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12:55 sfan5 where did you copy them from?
12:56 Nexus24680 Mineclone 2 mod
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12:58 sfan5 isn't that a subgame?
12:58 sfan5 you can't just throw all mods from a different subgame into minetest_game
12:58 sfan5 those are incompatible by definition
13:02 Nexus24680 Well, sorry
13:02 Nexus24680 But how can I make them compatible?
13:02 Nexus24680 Can I do anything about it?
13:02 Raven262 Only if you have some understanding on how they work, then maybe you could.
13:02 Raven262 which mods cause these errors?
13:03 Raven262 I could find you the unmodified version of some of them probably :P
13:04 Nexus24680 Yes, please
13:04 Nexus24680 Sfan5 knows which ones
13:04 sfan5 they are incompatible by defintion
13:04 sfan5 both register the whole games content from the ground up
13:04 sfan5 you can't mix them
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13:06 Nexus24680 Can I delete the nodded duplicated ones and just leave the stock ones?
13:06 Nexus24680 *modded
13:07 sfan5 that's lots of work and won't achieve what you want
13:07 sfan5 just add additional mods to the mineclone subgame
13:07 sfan5 don't try to mix minetest_game and mineclone
13:07 sfan5 it won't work
13:07 Nexus24680 OK. I'm gonna make your job easier
13:07 Nexus24680 I just want some mods functioning
13:07 Nexus24680 Not everything
13:07 Nexus24680 Can you do that?
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13:11 sfan5 it's not my duty to help you
13:11 sfan5 but if you tell me what you are intending i can give hints
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13:16 Nexus24680 These moda
13:16 Nexus24680 *mods
13:16 Nexus24680 https://ibb.co/eO7VYQhttps://ibb.co/jkhxDQ
13:17 Nexus24680 https://ibb.co/eO7VYQ https://ibb.co/jkhxDQ
13:18 sfan5 that's a substantional part of mineclone
13:18 sfan5 it would require lots of modification to run standalone
13:19 Nexus24680 So...
13:19 sfan5 i suggest either 1) looking for alternatives or 2) asking the mineclone auther whether standalone versions of those are available
13:20 Raven262 there are standalone versions of some
13:20 Raven262 mc_mobs, tsm_railcorridors
13:20 Raven262 i think they have a standalone verion
13:20 Raven262 *version
13:20 Nexus24680 Can you post the link for them? Raven
13:24 Nexus24680 Quick question
13:24 Nexus24680 Can't I just remove the depends file?
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13:35 IhrFussel Nexus24680, you can't because the code DEPENDS on external code which is missing then
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13:39 Raven262 Nexus24680, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10339
13:39 Raven262 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=17751
13:40 Raven262 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13589
13:40 Raven262 thats railcorridors, mc monsters and villages
13:40 zyabin101 Nyan Cats are being removed from Minetest Game!
13:40 cheapie Weren't they removed ages ago?
13:40 zyabin101 Nooooo! :sob: my compat!
13:41 zyabin101 @cheapie They will be removed as of 0.4.16.
13:41 cheapie ...yeah. They were removed at least a month ago.
13:41 zyabin101 All worlds which have Nyan Cats spawned before 0.4.16 will not run at all in 0.4.16.
13:42 sfan5 they will
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13:42 sfan5 also you can just install the replacement mod
13:42 zyabin101 once you reinstall the nyancat mod. I see.
13:42 cheapie If you don't install it, they'll just be unknown nodes.
13:42 IhrFussel zyabin101, a missing mod cannot crash a server, so the worlds will work fine
13:43 cheapie Or you can install that "stfu already pup" thing that was originally going to replace it, and add some aliases.
13:43 Nexus24680 Thanks Raven
13:43 Nexus24680 I'll see how can I work them out
13:43 Nexus24680 Ttyl
13:44 cheapie I don't recommend /that/, however, unless you want to hear obnoxious dog noises for *five* *minutes* after *one* wrong click...
13:46 tumeninodes kick_the_dog mod. Comes with whimpering sound and jail time
13:46 cheapie tumeninodes: I'd prefer brief jail time over looping that d*** sound for what seems like an eternity.
13:47 tumeninodes eyuh me too. Although you can eat the dog as well
13:47 zyabin101 Is the pup *that* obnoxious?
13:47 cheapie Yeah... eating the dog is the "kill your ears" one.
13:48 cheapie zyabin101: Very much so.
13:48 Raven262 Hello tumeninodes
13:48 tumeninodes Hi Raven
13:48 tumeninodes I imagine the news of MT being sued for driving a rash of kids around the world eating their dogs :P
13:49 Raven262 So it began...
13:49 cheapie Somehow I think eating an actual dog would make /less/ noise.
13:49 zyabin101 Hmm... where's the "rufr dog" mod is? Searching `pup` in minetest_game GitHub repo returns no dice.
13:49 Raven262 Well, it would scream for its life if you eat it alive
13:49 tumeninodes I'll have to research this
13:50 cheapie zyabin101: It's called "pbj_pup".
13:50 zyabin101 nor does `pbj`
13:50 Raven262 Actually depends where do you bite first
13:50 IhrFussel zyabin101, It's not part of MTG
13:50 cheapie tumeninodes: Just don't go eating any cats, though. We're not food :/
13:50 zyabin101 @IhrFussel where is it?
13:50 tumeninodes Well, I bit my dogs tail when I was young..., would not recommend starting there
13:51 IhrFussel github.com/minetest/minetest-mods I think
13:51 zyabin101 minetest/minetest-mods is not a repo I recognise >_>
13:51 cheapie https://github.com/minetest-mods/pbj_pup
13:51 tumeninodes nah, I like cats. They just kinda do their own thing
13:52 IhrFussel Or just minetest-mods...it's a collection of commonly used mods
13:52 cheapie Comment out lines 22 and 76 of init.lua if you actually want to use it.
13:52 tumeninodes and well maintained
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13:55 cheapie fourelk! :P
13:55 twoelk|2 duh! whu unconnected me?
13:56 zyabin101 @twoelk|2 I no idea, but NickServ is your friend
13:56 cheapie twoelk|2: xBarkPuppy1 probably ate your network cable too.
13:57 twoelk|2 eh? why didn't the automatic reconnect script connect to all the other channels?
13:58 tumeninodes this is a game all must play http://www.boredville.com/340​91/Dont-Shoot-the-Puppy-Game
14:01 twoelk I like that the nyan cat was added to the worms mod - gotta think of a nice trigger now that ought to surprise my nephews ;-P
14:03 tumeninodes kids get really excited when they find a nyan
14:05 twoelk maybe I should make them poop out something special now and then once they start moving
14:05 tumeninodes how about a pbjpup
14:06 twoelk danger there :-D they keep making it bark
14:06 tumeninodes ha
14:06 tumeninodes I think a bird that leaves a rainbow particle trail would have been a cool replacement
14:07 twoelk maybe I should replace the barking file by some phrase of their parents like - Have you finished homework yet?
14:08 tumeninodes that would be awesome
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14:56 Nox[Matrix] :(
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15:14 Nexus24680 Hey guys
15:14 Nexus24680 One quick question
15:15 Raven262 Yes?
15:15 Nexus24680 Why mg_villages isn't being detected?
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15:16 Nexus24680 I've tried on Minetest_game-pack-mods and Minetest-mods
15:16 Nexus24680 To no avail
15:16 Nexus24680 Replace dashes with slashes
15:18 Raven262 the one i sent you is a modpack
15:18 Raven262 not a mod
15:19 Raven262 what do you mean by not being detected?
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15:21 Nexus24680 The game says ERROR: X MOD NEED THIS DEPENDENCE : MG_VILLAGES
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15:22 Raven262 well you need a dependency to run it
15:25 Nexus24680 Mg villages is the dependency
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15:30 Raven262 mg_villages is inside that modpack :P
15:34 Nexus24680 But it doesn't work
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15:34 Raven262 where did you place the modpack?
15:35 Nox[Matrix] I am getting sick of minetest, but I don't know what else I should play on Android
15:36 Teckla Nox[Matrix]: Auralux is a fun little game
15:36 Raven262 I agree, minetest's android support is bad
15:36 Nox[Matrix] Teckla: I'd like something opensource
15:36 Teckla Nox[Matrix]: Ah
15:37 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: it's alright, but playing minetest_game succs
15:37 Raven262 Oh can i recommend some subgames? :D
15:37 Nox[Matrix] Teckla: I wish that pioneer space simulator would work on Android
15:38 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: I am at low bandwidth now, can you suggest something that is downloadable with 7kb per second?
15:39 Nexus24680 I placed it on Minetest/mods/
15:39 Nexus24680 @Raven262
15:39 Raven262 Just tell me how large a file can be
15:39 Raven262 Okay, Nexus24680 that should have worked :/
15:39 Raven262 did you enable it in the menu?
15:39 Nexus24680 Yep
15:40 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: I can download an 700 kb file I guess
15:40 Raven262 Okay i'll check for some lightweight subgames then
15:40 Nexus24680 @Teckla You can always download Alite
15:41 Nox[Matrix] Nexus24680: what is alite??
15:41 Raven262 Dungeontest has 7,3Mb Nox[Matrix]
15:41 Raven262 will that do?
15:41 Nox[Matrix] No, way to hudge
15:41 Raven262 Its fun, not really survival more like an adventure game
15:41 Raven262 ...
15:42 Nexus24680 Alite is Elite for Android
15:42 Nexus24680 http://alite.mobi/game
15:42 Nexus24680 Raven how can I fix my problem then?
15:42 Nox[Matrix] Nexus24680: is it open source?
15:42 Nexus24680 Yeah
15:43 Raven262 Nexus24680, have you enabled the mod in the menu?
15:44 Nexus24680 Yep
15:44 Raven262 Hmmm
15:44 Raven262 Can you post the debug.txt?
15:45 Raven262 Nox[Matrix], can't find any good game that small :P
15:47 Natechip Raven262: Minetest seems to be dying. It almost seems like more developers and contributers, server hosts, and staff members then actual players.
15:47 Nox[Matrix] Nexus24680: it would take me 34 hours to download Alite :(
15:47 Raven262 Did you see the increase in number of players in the last 4 years, Natechip?
15:48 Natechip Well we were popping 24 months ago
15:48 Raven262 I don't think mt is dying
15:48 Natechip Just laking players
15:48 Nox[Matrix] Natechip: Minetest has more players than Xonotic and RedEclipse together
15:49 Natechip Nox[Matrix]: more players as in actual players or more players as in staff, hosts, mt devs and contributers, AND also nirmal players?
15:49 zyabin101 @Nox Minetest for Android might ship with
15:50 Natechip normal*
15:50 zyabin101 some mods, maybe?
15:50 Nox[Matrix] Maybe minetest would have more players if the game that is shipped with it would be better 🤔
15:50 Raven262 Yes.
15:50 Nox[Matrix] Natechip: actual players
15:51 Raven262 It most likely would.
15:51 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: no shit
15:51 Nox[Matrix] ^-^
15:51 Raven262 lol
15:52 Raven262 But a subgame of 7.3 Mb is too large for you, imagine one of 22 Mb being shipped with minetest?
15:52 Raven262 And 22 Mb is an average size of subgames
15:52 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: I have minetest on my SD card
15:53 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: what do you don't like about minetest_game?
15:53 Raven262 I'm talking about the download speed, most people would get annoyed if they have slow internet connection.
15:53 Raven262 Cause its boring the more you play it.
15:54 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: I'm 24/7 annoyed
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15:54 Nox[Matrix] Welcome back red-100
15:54 Raven262 Hello red-001
15:55 Raven262 *Comrade red
15:55 Raven262 xD
15:55 Natechip Raven: there has been times where im like this game is complete trash so boring then I come back a few weeks later and like oh wow this game is like so fun
15:55 Raven262 Yea, same happened to me
15:55 Raven262 more than a few times
15:56 Natechip Lol
15:56 Raven262 Not to mention my absence was for a few months, not weeks
15:56 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: What do you think would make it better?
15:56 Raven262 Better? Mods.
15:56 Natechip Nox: well someone needs to make a minetest subgame lol.
15:57 Nox[Matrix] Natechip: yeah, and the minetest devs are not capable of doing that XD
15:58 Natechip Nox and Raven: I actual think minetest is like a hidden game, until you find it. Once you find it its like great. I know no one in real life that plays minetest.
15:58 Natechip Maybe thats because im the only one at my computer all day :P
15:58 Raven262 xD
15:59 Natechip Oh well WHOS GONNA TRY TO GET MINETEST ON THE NEWS
15:59 Natechip lol
15:59 Nox[Matrix] Natechip: no
16:00 Natechip Nox: no what?
16:01 Nox[Matrix] Natechip: don't get it on the news
16:01 Nox[Matrix] With the crappyness of minetest_game it would destroy it
16:01 Natechip Nox: ya I was joking, im too lazy to try to do that anyways XD
16:02 Raven262 We need some more devs who will make a game better, players will come by themselves.
16:03 Natechip
16:03 Raven262 𓆣
16:03 Natechip lol the new roblox game: Minetest XD
16:03 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: the actual devs are technically enough, they just reject suggestions
16:04 Raven262 Cause its their game
16:04 Raven262 :P
16:04 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: they concentrate on wrong stuff
16:04 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: if they want to OWN minetest, I'm out
16:05 Natechip #stoprejectingsuggestionsandtryoutthesuggestion​simsteadofsayingnorightawayandifyoureadthiswhy
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16:05 Raven262 Yea that sounds bad
16:05 Raven262 yes.
16:05 Natechip ya
16:06 Natechip it should be everyones game
16:06 Natechip well
16:06 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: we have to do something
16:06 Raven262 We? I don't think we can do anything :P
16:06 Natechip Nox: they are the devs, there decision, the only thing is fight for the users
16:07 Nox[Matrix] Well Natechip  it won't​ change anything if we just sit here I guess
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16:07 Natechip Nox: what do you want to do XD
16:08 Raven262 ...
16:08 Raven262 Start a revolution?
16:08 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: somewhat
16:08 Natechip lol
16:09 Nox[Matrix] Get enough users and try to convince them to fix stuff
16:09 Raven262 How does one get users?
16:09 Nox[Matrix] I can't believe they worked on stuff like a mesecon lamp instead of fixing gameplay issues
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16:10 Natechip lol try to get every server renamed as "Fix stuff devs" LOL
16:10 Raven262 Nah
16:10 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: well, me you and Natechip  are 3
16:10 Raven262 They are fixing stuff
16:10 Raven262 They are working on it
16:10 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: are they
16:10 Nox[Matrix] ?
16:10 Raven262 Yep
16:11 Raven262 I think they are doing their job.
16:11 Raven262 Its an open source project.
16:11 Nox[Matrix] On what exactly are they working on?
16:11 Raven262 Right now? I think they are working on 0.4.17 which will be a bugfix release
16:11 Raven262 But i don't know exactly what they are working on right now.
16:12 Nox[Matrix] Raven262: are they working on the uselessness of locked doors already?
16:12 Natechip lol
16:12 Raven262 Dunno, ask them.
16:12 Nox[Matrix] To be honest, I don't think so, I guess the do some texture stuff
16:15 Nox[Matrix] And the engine
16:18 Nox[Matrix] Last thing I noticed in change was that the loading bar has now texture....
16:18 Nox[Matrix] ....eh ok.?
16:18 Raven262 That was added about a month ago
16:23 Natechip Well. How about they work on lighting
16:24 Raven262 They avoid it at all costs :P
16:26 Nexus24680 Still mg_villages doesn't wanna work
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16:30 * twoelk wonders what Nox considers as the important stuff to fix
16:31 Raven262 I too wonder.
16:34 * Raven262 is rather AFK.
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17:47 Ruslan1 Hello
17:48 Raven262 Hello Ruslan1
17:48 Ruslan1 How are you
17:49 Raven262 Pretty good, you?
17:49 Ruslan1 Good
17:50 Ruslan1 Raven262 how to reset my password in crash world server
17:50 Raven262 You have to ask the server owner to reset it.
17:51 Ruslan1 Do they have irc
17:51 Raven262 I don't know
17:51 Raven262 I don't even know who they are :P
17:53 Ruslan1 Can you go cash world server and ask owners to reset my password
17:54 Ruslan1 Please
17:55 Ruslan1 Raven262
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18:17 red-001 anyway if you are playing minetest on android you are doing it wrong
18:18 rubenwardy lol
18:23 red-001 most new features and improvements are focused on the desktop version because most people don't want anything to do with the android code if they can help it
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18:25 red-001 I'm glad that someone finnaly made a PR for that new mapgen
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18:26 Raven262 That new mapgen sure looks cool
18:26 red-001 I should checkout the newest version
18:26 red-001 I remeber reporting a bug in it
18:26 red-001 I would did they fix it
18:26 red-001 wonder*
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18:27 Ruslan1 Raven262
18:28 Ruslan1 Foot_on_teh_hill
18:28 Raven262 What is it, Ruslan1?
18:30 Ruslan1 I just told you
18:31 Raven262 No i can't got there to ask who is the admin and stuff.
18:31 Raven262 you can do it yourself.
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18:32 Ruslan1 I forgot password
18:33 Raven262 You can make another accout for that case.
18:33 Raven262 *account
18:33 Ruslan1 I can use Ruslan3
18:35 Ruslan1 Yes or no
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18:36 rocky1138 wow! So many people here. Glad to see this project has a ton of support!
18:36 rocky1138 celeron55 congrats!
18:37 rubenwardy :)
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18:39 MinetestBot [git] jhcole -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow mossy cobble slabs to combine (#1791) 36d024a https://git.io/vQtoq (2017-06-22T18:38:02Z)
18:40 RobbieF I'm just here for the after-party, rocky1138  :p
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19:45 silwol Given the fact that there was a change in the possibility of growing trees underground, I have lost track of the current status. So my question is: is it currently possible tor grow trees underground with mese lamps?
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19:46 sfan5 paramat would know but he's not here rn
19:47 Raven262 I think paramat said that adding silver sand underground was his idea in order to make living underground possible
19:47 Raven262 So yes, i think trees can grow underground
19:48 silwol you mean growing directly on silver sand?
19:48 Raven262 no
19:48 Raven262 silver sand is for the lamps
19:48 Raven262 i think you can't get dirt underground though
19:48 silwol I took it with me.
19:49 Raven262 well trees should grow on it under the light of the lamps
19:49 silwol I assume it makes no difference which sand I use for the lamps?
19:49 Raven262 you use glass not sand
19:49 Raven262 you get glass from sand
19:50 silwol yes, that's what I created. I have been waiting for quite some time, and placed a lot of saplings on dirt, but none grows.
19:50 silwol does the direction matter from which the light is coming?
19:50 Raven262 nope
19:50 silwol I placed the lamps around the saplings, and one row above.
19:50 Raven262 just the amount of light
19:51 silwol ok, I think it should suffice then…
19:51 Sheba_S hi
19:52 Raven262 can_grow function checks for the conditions under which the sapling is
19:52 Raven262 namely node under and light level
19:52 * silwol uploaded an image: screenshot_20170622_215150.png (353KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/ctgFDBGtyjOozlsRoJjHDZCy>
19:52 Raven262 well that should work
19:53 silwol hmm… I'll let the game run for some more time, gotta leave now. will have a look at it when I'm back (could be some hours, I guess that should be long enough :-) )
19:54 silwol thanks for the information so far.
19:54 Raven262 well as far as  i know the trees don't take hours to grow
19:56 silwol from my experience as well.
19:57 * Raven262 awaits for some dev to explain this, since he had the exact same problem.
20:01 Raven262 Hello MinetestBot
20:01 MinetestBot sup Raven262
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20:46 silwol It has grown trees now.
20:46 silwol Now I can go to sleep :-)
20:48 Raven262 Nice
20:48 Raven262 See ya then :)
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