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03:27 ThomasMonroe i gtg to bed, cya tomorrow
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03:40 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Ores: Make 'absheight' flag non-functional 936d67d https://git.io/vQ36N (2017-06-26T03:38:36Z)
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06:22 hisforever hi is there a url for minetest's World Eduit?
06:23 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=572
06:24 hisforever thanks VanessaE
06:25 VanessaE yw
06:32 lumidify Does anyone know why new versions of MT (0.4.16, 0.4.16-dev) are crashing on OpenBSD? 0.4.15 works fine, but the later ones won't even open before dumping core. I'm compiling with gcc/g++ 4.9.4.
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06:39 hisforever OK in Singleplayer mode How do I grant myself priveledges?
06:39 hisforever sorry for tyops
06:40 lumidify hisforever: /grant singleplayer <priv>
06:42 hisforever ty Lumidify
06:42 VanessaE hisforever:  or just   /grantme all
06:43 hisforever let me get in to my world brb
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06:50 hisforever can I give singleplayer a name?
06:50 lumidify GDB gives me this when I try to run my compiled MT on OpenBSD: https://pastebin.com/fZVXN9bi
06:50 VanessaE O_o
06:51 VanessaE hisforever: generally, no.  but you can run a local server with any username you want, but that's not really "single"player thenm
06:51 VanessaE -m
06:51 hisforever ok
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08:09 sigz is there's a way to create translation on game nodes ? seems only menus and gui are translated
08:17 VanessaE there's an internationalization lib mod for minetest
08:17 VanessaE whether it's useful depends on mods supporting it (many do)
08:17 VanessaE and whether the mod has the language you're interested in (variable)
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08:47 sigz how should this be done for mods ? And seems none of the base minetest_game mods are translate
08:48 sigz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929 ?
08:48 VanessaE that's the right mod
08:48 VanessaE but I don't know how to use it
08:48 VanessaE (ironic because some of my projects use it - but not by my hand)
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08:59 sigz yes but
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08:59 sigz "Thanks to VanessaE for allowing me to mess with her code to add support for it in homedecor."
08:59 VanessaE yep
08:59 sigz I didn't found anything in the code :D
08:59 sigz aah I found it
08:59 VanessaE kaeza has write access to the homedecor repo, but that comment is from loooooooong ago when the i18n lib worked differently
08:59 sigz that was another folder right
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10:05 IhrFussel Will register_on_craft() be called when cooking something?
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10:15 sfan5 check the furnace code
10:15 sfan5 i'm guessing it won't
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10:20 IhrFussel sfan5, so there is NO callback for cooking? That is seriously bad if true
10:21 sfan5 dunno, just check the code
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11:59 IhrFussel Guys air nodes have the property walkable = false right?
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12:05 sfan5 they have whatever the default is
12:06 IhrFussel sfan5, that makes no sense... you CAN'T walk on air
12:07 sfan5 wait no they override the default
12:07 sfan5 why am i guessing even
12:07 sfan5 just check the code
12:07 IhrFussel Well what I can tell you is they DON'T have the property walkable = false
12:08 sfan5 maybe it's implied for airlike
12:08 juhdanad So air is walkable?
12:09 IhrFussel My monster spawn code works ONLY if I add the 2nd condition if getnode.walkable == "false" or getnode.name == "air" then
12:10 juhdanad Well, it might be: air does not own a collision box, therefore it does not matter if it is walkable or not.
12:10 IhrFussel To modders it might matter a lot
12:12 sfan5 don't check for air
12:12 sfan5 you should check for drawtype == "airlike"
12:13 IhrFussel It really doesn't matter I still have to do 2 checks AFAIK...or is water airlike?
12:13 sfan5 no
12:13 sfan5 but multiple types of air could exist
12:13 sfan5 they usually don't but its possible
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12:17 IhrFussel sfan5, but you can't tell me why my code doesn't fire with air even though the node def states walkable = false?
12:17 sfan5 idk
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12:34 IhrFussel No offense really but SOMETIMES I really wonder if the devs have any clue about ANYTHING regarding the code/features/behaviors etc ... I gotta say it's a little awkward if a server owner can help me more than a CORE DEV
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12:35 Fixer IhrFussel: there are many reasons
12:35 Bobr2 true
12:36 sfan5 IhrFussel: not with that attitude
12:36 juhdanad Modders and core developers should work together. Knowing the c++ side does not imply knowing the Lua side as well.
12:37 IhrFussel "read the f... code" is not the answer I expect from someone who claims to be involved in core development of a software
12:38 sfan5 oh i didn't know i'm legally obligated to help you
12:38 twoelk knowing Lua and c++ does not guarantee to know how a server works and players act in real life
12:38 juhdanad twoelk: true as well
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12:39 juhdanad I, as an example, can not write a complex mod, yet I help in extending the Lua API.
12:39 IhrFussel sfan5, I never said that you are... but can you tell me how "read the code" is a GOOD answer?
12:39 sfan5 it is not a good answer
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12:40 sfan5 it's just that i don't have the time to verify what the code actually does right now
12:40 sfan5 also just because i'm a coredev does not mean i know every portion of minetest code
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12:40 IhrFussel You could redirect me to another core dev who likely knows what the issue is or something like that...ot you could simply say that you have no time to check it now
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12:41 sfan5 i don't know who would know either
12:41 IhrFussel But I wasn't just talking about the situation now... I meant in general core devs seem to care LITTLE about server owners
12:41 Fixer IhrFussel: it is 100% volunteery project, so any help depends on luck/laziness/buziness/phaseofthemoon
12:42 Fixer IhrFussel: people have IRL too
12:43 IhrFussel Fixer, that doesn't excuse that core devs ignore many questions/suggestions
12:43 Bobr2 may i suggest something
12:43 Fixer IhrFussel: as you can see -dev is quite as hell, that suggests something
12:44 Fixer i mean silent
12:44 Fixer wrong english suspected
12:44 twoelk yeah- sommerholidays are comming and a lot of universities are running last exams
12:44 Shara Well, I left -dev pretty much because a dev made me feel unwelcome.
12:45 twoelk the usual suspects?
12:45 Shara Probably :P
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12:45 Shara I can feel both sides of the arguments though.
12:46 * JordachL got SASL working :D
12:46 IhrFussel TO ME it doesn't feel like the core devs think server owners are a big part of the project
12:46 Shara The devs really have shown they don't think about servers/server-owners more than once. But then maybe that's not their thing to think about.
12:46 Shara In theory -hub is meant to help with it. And I think it has helped a bit.
12:46 twoelk well one thing for sure, if the devs have a work spree, they shouldn't be disturbed for the better of the project :-D
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12:47 Fixer you still don't understand
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12:47 Fixer minetest is just volunteer project that takes only some (small) part of their life
12:48 twoelk in fact I think server owners could get better organized and share more info - which I thought hub would help at
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12:49 Shara twoelk: It has helped I think.
12:49 IhrFussel Okay you know what? My server is just a PART of my life BUT I somehow still manage to help players ingame, modify code, fix bugs, add new contents AND sometimes play
12:49 Fixer IhrFussel: thats your case
12:49 Shara As did project previously.
12:49 JordachL i need a discord <-> IRC bridge
12:50 Fixer IhrFussel: but if you look, devs also have IRL, jobs, and cthulhu forbid - kids and other stuff
12:50 Fixer and you need to clean up the fucking house sometimes
12:50 Fixer and enjoy life sometimes
12:50 JordachL Fixer: i have kittens, go figure
12:50 IhrFussel You don't seem to get my point... WHILE the devs spent their time on MT dev they IGNORE stuff
12:50 IhrFussel spend*
12:50 Out`Of`Control IhrFussel: open ticket on github
12:50 twoelk for example server owners could publish more scripts and ways to cope with player related problems
12:51 Bobr2 why not just create a fourum page??
12:51 twoelk just expand what allready exists :-D
12:51 IhrFussel Out`Of`Control, look at the open issues abnd then look at the closed issues...do you see a pattern?
12:51 Shara twoelk: I actually wish I had time to do things like that. But when it comes to running my servers these days, most of my time goes on fixing things that are broken, or worrying about changes to the game that I can't control.
12:53 Out`Of`Control IhrFussel:  i open many, did not close any.
12:53 IhrFussel MANY of the open issues NEVER got recognition from the devs... NOT EVEN a reaction, NOT EVEN a comment...no dev TALKED about the issue
12:53 Shara There are... not enough devs.
12:53 IhrFussel It takes 1 minute to write a little comment expressing your feelings
12:54 twoelk might be an issue that nobody has an idea to solve
12:54 IhrFussel twoelk, so you IGNORE it?? That is wrong IMO
12:55 twoelk so add a lot of <I have nothing to say but I noticed>?
12:55 IhrFussel No, devs should always have to say something about stuff that affects the software they work on
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12:56 IhrFussel have something*
12:57 twoelk like <would be nice but I can't help>?
12:57 sfan5 JordachL: https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc
12:57 twoelk we have quite a lot of that kind of statement
12:57 Fixer IhrFussel: priorities...
12:58 IhrFussel twoelk, they could at least say if they support that idea, are neutral or opposed
12:58 IhrFussel A reaction emoticon would already be enough really
12:59 IhrFussel No comment required
12:59 Fixer IhrFussel: say you need at least 6 hrs of sleep, 8 hrs of work + 2 hrs of some usual shit, you have just 8 hrs (if very lucky, and you want to relax also after work)
13:00 Out`Of`Control Fixer: unless you can relax at work
13:00 Fixer *depends on work
13:00 IhrFussel You seem to think that it's HARD WORK to react to an issue...I really don't know what to tell you...to me it's just laziness
13:01 twoelk IhrFussel I guess I agree with you in general but don't regard the workflow so pessimistic and frustrating - but then again - I don't run a public server (or only rather rarely)
13:01 Fixer IhrFussel: you expect devs to know everything, but realise, most of the code was not written by them
13:01 Fixer but by cele-ron
13:03 twoelk hm, spelled like that it looks sort of like greek for inner house - wich makes sense in this context :-P
13:04 celeron55 Fixer: cele is a hilight for me
13:04 IhrFussel Fixer, I never said that I expect devs to know the entire code...but "read the code" is a pretty silly answer I hope you agree there
13:04 Shara No slipping anything past celeron55 :)
13:05 celeron55 it's a very common shorthand of my nick for finnish people
13:05 twoelk IhrFussel, if you add up what was said before you expect a helpfull dev to go read the code for others
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13:06 twoelk which actually happens quite often iirc
13:07 Nexus24680 Hello
13:07 Nexus24680 Sup
13:07 Nexus24680 I have a question
13:07 DS-minetest what is the ISO code for finnish?
13:07 IhrFussel twoelk, no not at all...I expect someone who claims to be a dev to be able to give me a good answer...that answer doesn't have to be the SOLUTION but I expect something more competent than a "read the code and try to understand"
13:08 Nexus24680 Fake devs again? Jeez, this has to end someday
13:08 Out`Of`Control Nexus24680: what?
13:09 Nexus24680 Anyway, I have a question
13:09 Nexus24680 How can I change the main menu using the main_menu_script function?
13:10 * DS-minetest wants to make speech dispatcher say c55's name in finnish
13:10 texmex Like any aspiring modder, I'm making updates to PilzAdam's item_drop. There were a few deprecated calls that I've updated, as well as new features. If anyone sees more modernization opportunities, feel free to point them out. https://github.com/tacotexmex/item_drop
13:11 Nexus24680 Guys, I asked something. Please someone respond
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13:12 PureTryOut[m] If I knew the answer I would've responded
13:12 PureTryOut[m] Now you seem rather rude
13:12 twoelk I guess minetest code is a little too large for the quite legit wish IhrFussel - a lot larger than most dev's  field of knowledge
13:12 Fixer Fi-xer
13:12 Fixer hmmm
13:13 juhdanad Nexus: where is main_menu_script?
13:13 juhdanad Is it documented?
13:13 Fixer IhrFussel: it is open source, it is often faster to read the code than to wait volunteers to help you :)
13:13 twoelk not if you dont speak code :-D
13:14 Nexus24680 main_menu_script is the init.lua located on the mainmenu folder located inside the built-in folder
13:14 cccady wiki.minetest.net/mod was changed to be in Russian, which *should* be at wiki.minetest.net/Mod/ru.  May I have a wiki account to change it back to English, or else would someone change it back?
13:14 Fixer the(a)n you need to be very patient :)
13:14 twoelk argh did andrey break it again in the wiki?
13:15 cccady Yes, he did.
13:15 Nexus24680 On Minetest.conf you can change it to another main menu script to have another menu like the one Freeminer has
13:15 Nexus24680 But when I try to change it, and enero the game, it crashes
13:15 twoelk give me a sec
13:15 juhdanad Did you use an absolute path?
13:15 Nexus24680 Huh?
13:16 Nexus24680 I used this
13:17 Nexus24680 -emulated-0-Download-mainmenu-init.lua
13:17 Nexus24680 Replace dashes with slashes
13:19 juhdanad Is there any console output?
13:20 cccady Thanks, @twoelk.
13:22 * DS-minetest found out it's "fi" and the c is spoken like an s
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13:25 twoelk duh, can anybody fluent in russian merge http://wiki.minetest.net/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B into http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/ru and not loosing anything?
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14:51 Emerald2 Does dynamodan ever come in here? I suppose he's called something else on other servers.
15:01 ThomasMonroe ive seen dynamodan on MM-Survival
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15:02 Emerald2 Ahh is that where he hangs out these days?
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16:51 Johnnygag Hi is Someone Here??
16:52 IhrFussel !seen Someone
16:52 MinetestBot IhrFussel: Sorry, I haven't seen someone around.
16:52 IhrFussel xP
16:53 linz-mt Hi - is there a way to get an id or fingerprint of a client please? I've got an IP dodger doing his darndest to be a nuisance ...
16:53 linz-mt (so using xban with ip has been no help ...)
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16:56 IhrFussel linz-mt, nope
16:57 IhrFussel All server owners can only rely on IP bans...you could ban his whole subnet but that would potentially block other people too
16:57 Johnnygag Ihrfussel
16:58 Johnnygag IhrFussel?
16:58 Johnnygag Someone Respond
16:58 linz-mt ok thanks . thoguht so. *sigh*
16:59 Johnnygag Anybody?
16:59 IhrFussel Johnnygag, why are you mentioning me?
17:01 Johnnygag i wanted to ask you a question
17:01 Johnnygag is it possible someone could make me a Mod?
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17:02 Shara Johnnygag: maybe ask specific questions about what help you need
17:02 Shara Whether someone can help you probably depends on what exactly you want to make
17:02 Johnnygag i Wanted To Know if Someone Could Make Me a MOD?
17:03 Shara You mean you want to moderate on someone's server?
17:03 Shara Or code a mod for the game?
17:03 Johnnygag An Restaurant Mod Set Like Table Soda Machines Kitchen Floor Benchs
17:03 tumeninodes Johnnygag: you need to use patience. If you have a question, ask it, then wait for a response. Or you can ask on the forums, and... wait.
17:03 Shara Hmm, well, a lot of mods have things like that in them already I think
17:04 tumeninodes there is a section for mod requests & ideas.
17:04 Shara Check homedecor or xdecor
17:04 Johnnygag Home decor has kitchen set but i mean like an real restaurant
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17:04 Shara If you have something really specific in mind, you are probably going to need to be the one making it.
17:04 Johnnygag the soda dispenser kitchen set floor set table set bench set
17:05 Johnnygag how?!? lol i've never made an mod plus id fail :/
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17:05 Shara So what you actually want is someone to just do it for you?
17:06 Johnnygag yea because you guys have the programs & Experience i dont
17:06 tumeninodes hmmmm, hire-a-mod? $$$$$ :P
17:06 Shara Actually, a lot of us just taught ourselves because we wanted to add things
17:06 Johnnygag i'd fail
17:06 tumeninodes But.you cannot "fail" until you have tried
17:07 Shara Can only agree with tumeninodes :)
17:07 Johnnygag tumen its a mod i have to size it choose the color crop it design it & somehow modifie it for the game
17:08 tumeninodes you can try, ask for help, etc... but you seem to be rather impatient, which will get you nowhere
17:08 Johnnygag thats only problem is modifieing it to work with the game
17:08 twoelk Johnnygag: somebody might help if you provide something like textures or models
17:08 Johnnygag provide like what?
17:08 tumeninodes ^ ... and patience
17:08 Shara Textures/models
17:09 Johnnygag im not sure what you mean twoelk
17:09 twoelk well a texture is atexture that is made of an texture by texturing atexture
17:09 tumeninodes means you need to be willing to contribute in some way
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17:09 twoelk pain6t a picture
17:09 Johnnygag i will
17:10 Johnnygag you mean show them my idea on a paper?
17:10 twoelk describe the functions
17:10 twoelk yeah be as precice as you can and make a post about it in the forum
17:10 Johnnygag have you guys eaten at a restaurant?
17:10 tumeninodes btw, Hi Shara, and twoelk
17:11 twoelk many a different one that all looked different
17:11 Johnnygag can i post a picture on this chat?
17:11 twoelk sitting on stools, benches, chairs, the floor and carpets
17:11 Johnnygag or will that not work?
17:11 Johnnygag twoelk yes
17:12 twoelk upload it to imgur or such and post a link
17:12 Johnnygag & the kitchens tables soda dispenser
17:12 tumeninodes do it all at https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=2434 is better
17:12 Johnnygag who can i message for this idea?
17:13 Johnnygag VanessaE?
17:13 tumeninodes meesage no one. Post the idea, request and be patient
17:13 Shara Follow th elink tumeninodes just gave
17:13 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5939 study this for example
17:13 tumeninodes NO leave VanessaE alone hahaha
17:13 Johnnygag yup i dont exactly like her XD
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17:13 tumeninodes that's not nice, she helped you
17:14 tumeninodes as I said earlier, you are rather impatient
17:14 Johnnygag last time she helped me she cussed me out & Was Making Rude remarks
17:14 Johnnygag tumen no im not
17:14 tumeninodes I saw no rude remarks
17:14 Johnnygag um she was rude
17:14 tumeninodes no, she was frustrated
17:15 Johnnygag yea because she has no patience for me to do the stuff & Learn how to use it
17:15 twoelk Vanessa has several kids asking her for stuff every day for years now
17:15 Johnnygag i've never done waht she asked me to do EVER
17:16 tumeninodes she cannot hold your hand through every step
17:16 Johnnygag aww heck no
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17:16 Johnnygag that was i first time contacting her also
17:16 twoelk Johnnygag: what computer operating system are you on?
17:16 Johnnygag Windows 7 64bit
17:17 Shara Johnnygag: You should realise it's not easy to help people... Most server owners and mod writers are getting asked by several people for help every day
17:17 twoelk goto paintbrush and make pixel pictures that fit into a 32 by 32 grid
17:17 Johnnygag couldnt i find a picture online?
17:18 twoelk I could give you many fotos of nice restaurants
17:18 Johnnygag ok
17:18 twoelk that is of little help
17:18 VanessaE Johnnygag: I started by trying to help you, and you kept resisting even so much as pastebin'ing your debug.txt.  I have a limited amount of patience for people who won't follow my instructions when they're asking me for help.
17:18 Johnnygag vanessa i was trying to find out how to do it i was NOT Resisting
17:19 VanessaE ...
17:19 VanessaE the channel logs disagree with you.
17:19 Johnnygag Fine
17:19 tumeninodes never badmouth someone who tried to help you
17:20 VanessaE you can be sure, Johnnygag, that I will not go out of my way to offer you any further help.  you have problems?  google it.  I'm done.
17:20 * VanessaE wanders off
17:21 Johnnygag i Dont Have Problems!
17:22 tumeninodes omg, she means "problems" with a mod, etc.
17:22 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=9939 you could play with this
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17:23 tumeninodes <--- is off for a tea and a soothing pipe. this way ---->
17:24 Johnnygag Tumen no my mods are fine i was asking if someone could make me an MOD
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17:25 Johnnygag im Not coming her for help ANYMore
17:25 Brackston Johnnygag people are leaving you because you do not understand that we are here to contribute and help others not the work for free.
17:25 Brackston You have not shown patience,nor respect
17:25 Johnnygag no one here ic Nice!
17:26 Johnnygag >:(
17:26 Johnnygag now i wont
17:26 VanessaE ;op
17:26 Brackston (children!)
17:26 Brackston Hi VanessaE
17:26 Johnnygag I Asked kindly if someone could make me an mod thats it
17:26 Johnnygag was kicked by VanessaE: no, you won't
17:26 VanessaE hi Brackston
17:27 Brackston Hahaaha, VanessaE  You just  made my day!
17:27 Shara :)
17:27 Emerald2 Woohoo I found dynamodan!
17:27 Shara Hi Brackston, didn't see you there
17:27 Brackston I have been following that cry baby since yesterday.
17:27 Brackston Hey Shara!
17:27 Brackston I snuck in through the back door
17:27 VanessaE I have my limits, and that dickhead exceeded them, in spades.
17:28 VanessaE wait what?
17:28 * VanessaE runs over and locks the back door
17:28 Brackston LOL he sure did..no respect
17:28 VanessaE all right which one of you twits left that door open?
17:28 VanessaE :)
17:28 Shara VanessaE: better check the windows too. Our Brackston is sneaky!
17:28 VanessaE I don't do windows :P
17:28 Brackston Teleport
17:28 Shara :D
17:28 Brackston hahaha
17:29 twoelk nevertheless a nice restaurant mod has been requested before - must I run and hide now?
17:30 VanessaE twoelk: quite the opposite, you need to get back on my servers and play again :)
17:30 Brackston If we ever see one, it will probably be another great mod by VanessaE (Honesty...not blowing smoke)
17:30 VanessaE heh
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17:30 twoelk ha, I was on ves just a day ago or so
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17:31 VanessaE twoelk: oh ok, then I withdraw the comment :)
17:31 twoelk had a look at the quarys by Flitzpiepe
17:32 twoelk and noticed cheapi built a foodprocessing factory on my wheat field :-D
17:32 twoelk might have been the last farm so near to spawn ;-)
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17:43 bigfoot547 Hi tumeninodes
17:43 tumeninodes hey?! who locked the door?
17:44 bigfoot547 ???
17:44 tumeninodes hi bigfoot
17:44 tumeninodes nvm :P
17:45 bigfoot547 HI
17:45 bigfoot547 Hi*
17:46 tumeninodes howdy
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17:48 Lone_Wolf hi!
17:48 bigfoot547 Hi Lone_Wolf
17:48 tumeninodes hola
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17:48 christel hiya Lone_Wolf (and hi Kelticfox *waves*)
17:48 * Kelticfox waves
17:48 tumeninodes Hi sofar
17:49 Lone_Wolf How do I veiw the logs/history? xD
17:49 bigfoot547 irc.minetest.net
17:49 tumeninodes with perspective
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17:49 red-001 wow
17:49 bigfoot547 https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/today
17:49 red-001 hi sofar
17:49 Lone_Wolf hi red!
17:49 red-001 long time no see
17:50 tumeninodes everyone has been missing sofar
17:50 * Kelticfox cannot imagine why...
17:50 tumeninodes ?
17:51 tumeninodes hey red-001
17:52 Lone_Wolf Was anyone on when VannesaE supposedly 'mouthed off' at JohnnyGage? I don't believe even though I've never met her...
17:52 Out`Of`Control anyone could create a mod that forces mod X load as last
17:53 * VanessaE looks at Lone_Wolf
17:53 tumeninodes Lone_Wolf: RUN!
17:53 VanessaE JohnnyGage was just being a petulant child
17:53 Out`Of`Control playing with depends.txt did not help
17:54 bigfoot547 I was there
17:54 tumeninodes Johnnygag is very impatient
17:54 tumeninodes hi VanessaE
17:54 Out`Of`Control Lone_Wolf:  did you read title?
17:54 VanessaE hi
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17:56 twoelk he just wants cookies and not a cookbook about baking them himself :-D
17:57 VanessaE yep, and he wants the book read to him and translated into 2nd grade english in the process
17:57 tumeninodes might get poisoned cookies
17:57 BeBo46100 Ummm No i Dont
17:57 twoelk carefull there he might very well be 2nd grade age
17:57 BeBo46100 dude im not an child
17:58 tumeninodes my, how crafty of you
17:58 twoelk not from what we heard
17:58 BeBo46100 i am not petulant either
17:59 tumeninodes and... coming back under a new name doesn't make it worse because......
17:59 BeBo46100 tumen i know
17:59 twoelk so you made a list of objects needed, thought out some techtree, made some models and designed some textures?
17:59 BeBo46100 ... i dont know how to design textures models or mods
18:00 tumeninodes uh oh
18:00 BeBo46100 you guys have i havent
18:00 Out`Of`Control twoelk: why if you can ask someone to do that....
18:00 BeBo46100 thats why i want help
18:00 Out`Of`Control BeBo46100: is there anything you can do beside asking for?
18:00 twoelk there is a plate in homedecor, you could add some more dish variants easily to that
18:01 twoelk you could start with a list of objects you miss
18:01 BeBo46100 i i mainly wanted restaurant carpet & Soda dispenser & bench
18:01 BeBo46100 sorry two i's
18:01 tumeninodes tries to think of the easiest mod they could start with for learning
18:01 twoelk why a new bench, there are allready many
18:01 tumeninodes and a soda vending machine
18:01 BeBo46100 no the Botths
18:01 BeBo46100 Booths
18:02 BeBo46100 those big booth benchs
18:02 BeBo46100 at restaurants
18:02 Brackston a diner
18:02 twoelk hm, the last benches I sat in an restaurant on where extra long rustic wooden ones
18:03 BeBo46100 Brackston yes
18:03 twoelk ah, a diner is a good hint
18:03 Brackston twoelk a brauhaus?
18:03 twoelk sortof
18:03 tumeninodes this is why I suggested you make a post at https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=2434
18:03 BeBo46100 twoelk what restaurant were you In!? XD
18:03 Lone_Wolf_ Hiya Fixer!
18:03 Lone_Wolf_ oh xD
18:03 twoelk schiffergesellschaft
18:03 BeBo46100 ???
18:03 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Add Arm Inertia (#6050) 1d1d922 https://git.io/vQGf3 (2017-06-26T18:03:48Z)
18:04 bigfoot547 Yay!
18:04 VanessaE holy shit
18:04 VanessaE I honestly didn't expect that to get merged.
18:04 Lone_Wolf_ What was that?
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18:04 Brackston Good link tumeninodes, BeBo46100 go there and explain you idea well...maybe someone will pick it up and you are on your way.
18:04 VanessaE something that's about to be force-pushed out :-/
18:04 Lone_Wolf_ I'm new to IRC sorry
18:05 tumeninodes I was thrilled to see the recent water walking sound from juhnadad merged so quickly
18:05 tumeninodes trivial, but it was quick
18:05 Lone_Wolf_ Arm inertia was added to the next minetest update?
18:06 tumeninodes I thought inertia was a bad thing? 0_o
18:06 twoelk old pic of schiffergesellschaft https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7​144/6582541881_1e064e49e3_b.jpg
18:06 bigfoot547 Nuuu, I like arm inertia.
18:06 bigfoot547 <nerzhul> oops merged the wrong PR, forcepush to solve that
18:06 tumeninodes Define inertia: lack of movement or activity especially when movement or activity is wanted or needed ?
18:07 tumeninodes maybe kilbith's PR is actually anti-inertia? :P
18:08 BeBo46100 tumen https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A​wrTcYJNTVFZy1sAOF02nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIzbDU3b2E5BHNlY​wNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM2MDUzMWQzMGMxNTExOTA0NGRiNzl​jMTllZGY1ZDU2NwRncG9zAzExBGl0A2Jpbmc-?.origin=&amp​;back=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.avira.net%2F%23images%2​Fresult%3Fq%3Dsoda%2Bdispenser&amp;w=450&amp;h=535​&amp;imgurl=www.sodadispenserdepot.com%2Fpics%2Fso​da-fountain-542b.jpg&amp;rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sod​adispenserdepot.com%2Fpics%2Fsoda-fountain-542
18:08 BeBo46100 click link
18:08 tumeninodes <--- has motivation inertia
18:09 tumeninodes I'm not clickin' anything... :P I already know what you meant, a soda fountain
18:09 Lone_Wolf_ What does the arm inertia do? 6o_o
18:09 red-001 magic
18:09 tumeninodes like soda..., on tap
18:09 BeBo46100 who do i post to on forum for this mod?
18:09 tumeninodes so now the arm will show when clicking?
18:10 tumeninodes to no one..., just make a post
18:11 tumeninodes you just put the idea out there. If it catches someone's interest, they will respond. If not, you will need to learn, and ask for help.
18:11 BeBo46100 i dont see an post button at forums
18:11 tumeninodes But help is not instantaneous
18:11 tumeninodes there is a button which reads "New Topic'
18:13 BeBo46100 no button that says new topic
18:13 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Isolate irrlicht references and use a singleton (#6041) b3a36f7 https://git.io/vQGU1 (2017-06-26T18:11:17Z)
18:13 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix Camera::add_arm_inertia -> addArmInertia a8650e7 https://git.io/vQGUM (2017-06-26T18:10:11Z)
18:15 tumeninodes "post reply"
18:15 tumeninodes my bad
18:29 * lumidify is still wondering why new versions of MT only abort on OpenBSD...
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18:31 jcalve to me it only aborts on /shutdown so it's not really a problem
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18:39 Kelticfox who develops Minetest?
18:39 sofar various people - it's open source so contributions come from many people
18:39 VanessaE lots of people do.
18:39 VanessaE a collection of lunatics. :P
18:40 sofar there's at least 50+ people who have written code for it
18:40 Kelticfox haha, okay more directed question, who's in charge of the community here besides VanessaE?
18:40 VanessaE I am not in charge of anything.
18:40 sofar nobody in particular - we all take care of it together
18:41 bigfoot547 ^^^^^^^^
18:41 bigfoot547 +1
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18:52 Jordach GreenDimond, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJDNkVDGM_s
18:52 GreenDimond Jordach: o-o
18:52 twoelk haha, >Bring me to your leader!< doesn't work well here
18:53 Jordach GreenDimond, https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=3&amp;p=279919#p279919
18:53 GreenDimond Jordach: Noice render m8.
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18:54 Jordach it's more about the technology
18:54 BeBo46100 Greendimond does making an mod use a certain rpogram?
18:54 Guest54205 no -_-
18:54 Guest54205 how to change name without a relog?
18:54 GreenDimond BeBo46100, you lost my help a while ago.
18:54 BeBo46100 i lost everyones i know
18:55 Lone_Wolf Yay! xD
18:55 BeBo46100 but i havent lost my actual friends help
18:55 Lone_Wolf I got it now...
18:56 BeBo46100 maybe this world has loose screws
18:56 BeBo46100 how do i quit?
18:56 GreenDimond BeBo46100: Here is a step-by-step tutorial for all your questions: 1) Open your favorite web browser (ie. Firefox) 2) In the url bar, type www.google.com. 3) In the search box, type your desires.
18:57 BeBo46100 omg! i cant mod even if i could i would mess it up
18:58 BeBo46100 fixing PCS dvd players tvs is already hard
18:58 GreenDimond BeBo46100: https://rubenwardy.com/minet​est_modding_book/index.html Knock yourself out.
18:58 BeBo46100 i dont have an code editor...
18:59 GreenDimond Jordach: Have you just gotten around to messing with materials in blender?
18:59 GreenDimond BeBo46200: You just need a text editor. EVERY computer has one. I personally use Geany.
19:00 Jordach >messing around with materials
19:00 Jordach >built fucking PBR
19:00 Jordach https://jordach.net/Images/emoji/thinking.png
19:00 BeBo46100 ok sooo how do i start?
19:00 GreenDimond Jordach: Ah so you are making your OWN shaders thing - nice!
19:01 BeBo46100 GD
19:01 GreenDimond BeBo46100: Go to your start menu and type in the search bar something like "text" or "mousepad". Do NOT use "notes"
19:01 BeBo46100 And?
19:01 jcalve I'm surprised by everyone's patience with trolls here
19:01 GreenDimond click the thing that comes up.
19:02 GreenDimond I'm surprised at my own patience.
19:02 BeBo46100 notepad?
19:02 GreenDimond Yeah sure good enough BeBo46100.
19:02 BeBo46100 next?
19:02 GreenDimond But later you might want something like Notepad++
19:02 Lone_Wolf I think I have plain notepad xD
19:03 BeBo46100 whats next step?
19:03 Lone_Wolf How good is OpenOffice GD>
19:03 BeBo46100 lol
19:03 Lone_Wolf *?
19:03 GreenDimond Is it open, BeBo46100?
19:03 GreenDimond LW: NO.
19:03 BeBo46100 yes
19:03 Lone_Wolf kk xD
19:04 Lone_Wolf Could you PM me my skin in the forums when you have the time? No rush...
19:04 GreenDimond BeBo46100, now code stuff. Then save whatever you code to an init.lua and put it in a folder that is your mod. Then add a depends.txt and a textures folder and all that stuff. Then put it in your mods folder and try it out. It takes time and patience to code and test.
19:04 BeBo46100 gd whats Next?
19:04 BeBo46100 tcode stuff?
19:04 GreenDimond Lone_Wolf, didn't you already post your skin on the Hometown topic?
19:05 BeBo46100 first i need to make the items i want tho
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19:05 GreenDimond ?
19:05 GreenDimond You trying to ping the whole damn IRC?
19:06 BeBo46100 i need to use an sand pixel program to make the carpet booths dispenser & table
19:06 GreenDimond BeBo46100, you mean you need to make textures?
19:06 BeBo46100 yea
19:06 GreenDimond I would suggest downloading GIMP https://www.gimp.org/
19:07 BeBo46100 my design will hopefully not suck XD
19:07 Lone_Wolf GD I need a MT converted one xD
19:08 Lone_Wolf gtg
19:08 bigfoot547 Bye
19:08 bigfoot547 :(
19:09 BeBo46100 gd?
19:09 GreenDimond Yes BeBo46100?
19:10 BeBo46100 just wondering if you were still there
19:11 GreenDimond Not a good reason to ping me :/
19:11 BeBo46100 if i use an image online can i copy it to gimp & tell it to make it sand pixel?
19:12 GreenDimond Yes, there are ways to make it pixelize things. But please, use Google. Don't ask here.
19:12 BeBo46100 i ask here if it works not to serach lol
19:12 GreenDimond If you can't find it on Google, you aren't doing it right.
19:13 BeBo46100 find what?
19:13 GreenDimond How to use GIMP.
19:13 BeBo46100 oh
19:13 BeBo46100 i've heard of it but never used it
19:14 GreenDimond It's easy to use once you get used to it.
19:14 BeBo46100 ye
19:15 BeBo46100 yea*
19:16 BeBo46100 gimp startup currently is looking for data files
19:17 GreenDimond It will take a while to load for the first time.
19:18 BeBo46100 ok its up next?
19:18 GreenDimond Google it.
19:21 twoelk actually BeBo46100, you might better start with paintbrush that should be in your windows. just zoom in until you see the grid for individual pixels and then click each pixel the color you want
19:21 twoelk the basic textures are 16*16 or 32*32 pixels
19:21 GreenDimond twoelk: Pencil is better for that,
19:22 twoelk yeah, havent got a pencil to pixel translater yet though (except for my eye-hand combination of course)
19:22 BeBo46100 Twoelk i can copy an image into paint couldnt i?
19:23 twoelk easily
19:23 bigfoot547 Ehm, minetest is giving me a linking error
19:23 bigfoot547 I'll get the paste
19:24 bigfoot547 https://pastebin.com/6pHgqd4b
19:24 bigfoot547 There's the error
19:25 bigfoot547 Anybody?
19:25 bigfoot547 Not everyone has left in 20 seconds
19:25 GreenDimond ARG How to use url -I https://github.com/minetest/m​inetest_game/pull/6015.patch | git am  properly?
19:25 GreenDimond *curl
19:26 bigfoot547 https://github.com/minetest​/minetest/issues/6015.patch Use this url instead
19:26 bigfoot547 Also, that's an issue, not a pr
19:26 BeBo46100 i have image in paint how do i pixel it?
19:26 GreenDimond bigfoot547, *ahem* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6015
19:27 bigfoot547 Yep, use that
19:27 bigfoot547 You were looking in minetest_game
19:27 GreenDimond but that is what I used
19:27 BeBo46100 Gd
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19:27 twoelk it is in pixels, you have to adjust the resolution
19:28 BeBo46100 how?
19:29 GreenDimond curl -I https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/6015.patch | git am  gives error "Patch is empty. Was it split wrong?"
19:29 twoelk might be caled change size or canvas
19:30 bigfoot547 Use this url: https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.co​m/raw/minetest/minetest/pull/6015.patch
19:30 twoelk under the start tab in the ribbon second set of tools
19:30 GreenDimond Meh. I give up.
19:30 bigfoot547 GreenDimond: https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.co​m/raw/minetest/minetest/pull/6015.patch
19:30 GreenDimond I have no patience today,
19:31 bigfoot547 What's the error
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19:31 GreenDimond http://paste.ubuntu.com/24958152/
19:32 BeBo46100 Twoelk i dont see canvas only see size which is in Percentage & Pixel's
19:32 GreenDimond bigfoot547, looks like doing -L works.
19:33 twoelk yeah, sorry mine is in german, don't know the exact english menu text by heart
19:34 GreenDimond bigfoot547, nevermind. Still dunno.
19:34 bigfoot547 Can someone please tell me what is wrong with my f*ckin compile?
19:35 BeBo46100 Gd How Do i Do This In GIMP?
19:35 GreenDimond Google it.
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19:37 BeBo46100 Gd once i pixelize it what next?
19:38 GreenDimond Look at Rubenwardy's Modding Tutorial https://rubenwardy.com/minet​est_modding_book/index.html
19:43 twoelk use Rubenwardy's book to create a node that vis very flat and point the code to youre texture
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19:47 BeBo46100 this is complicated
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20:43 BeBo46100 well im off to watch G.I Joe
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20:57 bigfoot547 Bye
20:58 AntumDeluge I have a couple problems with a mod. I extracted the slingshot from AiTechEye's 'hook' mod (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13634).
20:59 AntumDeluge The first problem is that when an entity is killed with the slingshot, it does not drop any items that it normally would from death.
21:00 AntumDeluge The second problem is that entities do not register as being attacked when hit with an item thrown by the slingshot. This seems to be the case with bows & arrows from the 'throwing' mod as well.
21:00 AntumDeluge The GitHub repo is here: https://github.com/AntumMT/mod-slingshot
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21:33 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix undefined behaviour in arm movement when dividing by zero 53a6b54 https://git.io/vQGoa (2017-06-26T21:22:42Z)
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23:39 BeBo46100 Octacian?
23:46 octacian BeBo46100: Yes?
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