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03:01 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Separate player code into new mod 5d19fd6 https://git.io/v7BoX (2017-08-01T02:57:29Z)
03:01 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Lava cooling: Increase interval to 2 7ffd176 https://git.io/v7Bo1 (2017-08-01T02:57:10Z)
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07:01 hisforever Hi everyone I'mhaving trouble with Digtron, How Do I get the digtron to make a turn using the Rotation axel?
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10:53 hello hello
10:53 hello when was minetest first released?
10:55 Krock around july 2011: https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/releases/tag/0.2.20110731_3
10:55 hello oh ok so after minecraft?
10:56 hello also thanks
10:59 Krock first commit is from Nov 2010..  about a year after minecraft
11:00 hello oh, thanks
11:00 hello also, could you please explain what irc is?
11:01 Krock it's an abbreviation for internet relay chat
11:01 Krock warning: iirc sants for "if i remember correctly"
11:01 Krock *stands
11:02 hello so it's sort of just a messaging service?
11:02 hello like discord, but more simple?
11:02 XeonSquared and a lot older
11:02 XeonSquared and a lot saner
11:02 hello saner?
11:02 LBPHacker discord even has a compact mode which say #irc somewhere
11:02 hello as in less people so you keep more sane?
11:02 hello compact mode?
11:02 XeonSquared yes, no web 3.0 everything is http stuff
11:03 LBPHacker settings > appearance > message display > compact
11:03 hello what does that do?
11:03 LBPHacker uhm
11:03 LBPHacker compacts messages
11:03 LBPHacker try it lol
11:03 hello ok
11:04 hello so if I wanted to keep coming back here and messaging I would have to just access this site again? there's no way to make an account?
11:04 LBPHacker there is a way to make an account
11:04 LBPHacker type /msg nickserv help
11:04 Krock see /msg NickServ help
11:04 Krock aarg, these ninjas
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11:04 LBPHacker lol sorry
11:05 hello and i could use that across all things that use irc?
11:05 LBPHacker nope, only on this server
11:05 LBPHacker or
11:05 LBPHacker network
11:05 LBPHacker which is called freenode
11:05 LBPHacker you're accessing webchat.freenode.net right now
11:05 LBPHacker with your browser
11:05 hello and should I be using a special client or program to access irc or can it all be done through the browser?
11:05 LBPHacker you could access a dedicated client, yes
11:05 Krock heh.. doing /whois lookups? :P
11:05 LBPHacker and that's a lot cleaner
11:05 XeonSquared you can do it through the browser but I dunno why you'd want to
11:06 hello dunno why I'd want to what?
11:06 Krock LBPHacker, s/browser/Firefox 54.0/
11:06 XeonSquared use IRC through a browser
11:06 hello why not?
11:06 XeonSquared browsers are for browsing
11:06 LBPHacker Krock: lol how
11:06 Krock LBPHacker, using IRC
11:06 hello so what should I use then?
11:07 Krock hehe.. magic tricks :P
11:07 LBPHacker mkay
11:07 XeonSquared an IRC client :P
11:07 LBPHacker unless...
11:07 Krock Hexchat or icechat
11:07 Krock or however the latter one was called
11:07 LBPHacker oh lol ctcp returns browser version
11:07 hello And then I can have all irc in one place?
11:07 LBPHacker cute
11:07 Krock LBPHacker, yeah. was pure luck that his web client sent that
11:07 LBPHacker qwebirc iirc
11:08 hello is that a special type of irc?
11:08 Krock hello, various networks (like here, freenode) and channels (#minetest) in one application
11:08 LBPHacker that's the name of the irc client you're using
11:08 LBPHacker through the browser
11:08 Krock don't scare him :P
11:08 LBPHacker he asked :P
11:08 hello idk if there's any point for me though, I don't really use this at all really
11:08 hello i'll give it a think
11:09 hello and a thonk
11:09 XeonSquared well, if you stick around, a real client is nice
11:09 hello can I use that add-on for my browser?
11:09 hello chatzilla?
11:09 hello that would save me downloading an actual program
11:09 Krock no idea how good these browser add-ons are but you can give it a try
11:09 XeonSquared I used that for a while, it was okay. Still part of the browser though. Also firefox addons are being removed within a year or two.
11:10 hello i think it's made by mozilla so it should be legit
11:10 hello yeah, I know
11:10 hello I heard a lot of people are angry about it
11:10 XeonSquared So Firefox can be the best Chrome clone on the market >.>
11:10 hello :/
11:10 Krock no, I don't want it as a chome clone because I don't have enough ram otherwise
11:10 LBPHacker pfft
11:10 hello can they just have both? these new webextensions and the old ones alongside each other?
11:11 LBPHacker yeah valid reason actually
11:11 XeonSquared Krock: Mozilla knows best don't question them
11:11 hello krock i don't think it will use as much ram as chrome
11:11 XeonSquared - mozilla, probably
11:11 Krock hello, point is that chrome is known to use much ram, in exchange for fast page loading
11:11 hello yeah
11:12 XeonSquared the worst part is that there isn't anything better to switch to
11:12 XeonSquared everything else is nonfree or chrome
11:12 Krock wine iexplore.exe
11:12 hello but firefox shouldn't use as much ram as chrome
11:12 hello even with multiprocess
11:12 XeonSquared it'll still be basically chrome
11:12 hello hum, maybe
11:12 XeonSquared non-customizable UI, no decent addons...
11:12 hello i guess we'll have to wait and see
11:13 Krock ..how exactly is this all related to Minetest?
11:13 hello what I don't get is why they can't just keep the old type of extensions while adding support for the new ones
11:13 hello that way everybody would be happy
11:13 XeonSquared Krock: Minetest -> IRC -> web IRC clients -> browsers
11:13 XeonSquared :D
11:13 Krock a long chain
11:14 XeonSquared hello: I'd have no issue with that. It won't happen, though. :<
11:14 Krock git reset --hard HEAD~3
11:14 LBPHacker that'd kick hello
11:14 LBPHacker well actually nah
11:14 hello wait, sorry if I wasn't meant to speak about stuff not related to minetest
11:14 hello i'm just curious
11:14 Krock LBPHacker, no but you're on a good way
11:14 Krock it's like he never came
11:14 hello good way?
11:15 LBPHacker to being kicked apparently .-.
11:15 hello me?
11:15 XeonSquared wasn't much happening before this started so \o/
11:15 hello why would I gegt kicked?
11:15 hello get
11:15 LBPHacker nah, me
11:15 hello ohh
11:15 hello peak
11:16 hello um
11:16 LBPHacker or I misunderstood completely and Krock meant I was almost correct
11:16 hello is it weird if I get minetest before properly playing minecraft?
11:16 XeonSquared not overly
11:16 Krock hello, welcome to the club of those who never actually played minecraft
11:16 hello i wanted to get minecraft on ps3 but I lost my controller lol
11:16 hello sad times
11:16 XeonSquared meh, you would've gotten one of the worse versions anyway
11:16 hello really?
11:16 hello why's that?
11:17 hello i thought they were all the same
11:17 XeonSquared as far as minecraft goes, you want the java version because it has real modding support
11:17 XeonSquared and more content
11:17 hello is ps3 the same as xbox 360
11:17 hello the versions
11:17 Krock since when does minecraft support modding? what you do there is patching.
11:17 XeonSquared I think everything not-java uses the same source tree
11:17 XeonSquared Krock: true enough
11:17 XeonSquared delete META-INF
11:17 hello wait, what content do you get on pc that you don't get on ps/xbox?
11:18 Krock minetset ^
11:18 hello minetset??
11:18 Krock Minetest, but with typos
11:18 hello [12:17] <XeonSquared> as far as minecraft goes, you want the java version because it has real modding support [12:17] <XeonSquared> and more content
11:19 hello what's the missing content?
11:19 XeonSquared uh, any dimensions other than the overworld
11:19 XeonSquared a bunch of mobs
11:19 XeonSquared probably lots of blocks
11:19 XeonSquared but eh, minecraft is meh
11:19 hello oh so you can't go to the fire place with demons and shit
11:19 hello ?
11:19 hello (excuse my ignorance)
11:19 XeonSquared that was the case last I tried
11:19 * XeonSquared shrugs
11:19 XeonSquared just play minetest tho :P
11:20 hello i might get minecraft when I get my controller back
11:20 hello i'll probably get mintest in the meantime
11:20 hello and i'll consider how useful it would be for me to get and irc client
11:20 hello considering that everyone's on discord these days
11:20 hello or other platforms
11:20 * XeonSquared is not on discord
11:20 * Krock neither
11:20 XeonSquared hey uh, did 0.4.16 add proper controller support?
11:21 XeonSquared was a bit flaky in 0.4.15
11:21 hello how do you do that * thing
11:21 XeonSquared /me
11:21 * hello is dead
11:21 hello noice
11:21 Krock well, rubenwardy_ once worked on the controller code once. I believe there hasn't much changed since it was added the first time
11:21 hello i'm gonna restart my browser to check out chatzilla. brb.
11:22 XeonSquared ah okay, I'll poke it to see if I can get it working properly
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11:23 hello what does the "auth to services" tickbox do?
11:24 hello also it sucks that I can't see past chat
11:24 XeonSquared there's ways around that but \o/
11:24 sfan5 that authenticates you with nickserv
11:24 hello i literally have no idea what i'm doing
11:24 hello i've downloaded chatzilla but idk how to use it
11:25 XeonSquared open it up, connect to freenode, /join #minetest
11:25 Krock watch a youtube tutorial. there are plenty
11:25 hello i've found some instructions on their site
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11:26 hello are you guys super into open-source software then?
11:27 Krock what exactly do you mean?
11:28 hello well
11:29 hello never mind
11:31 hello tbh this site looks better than chatzilla
11:31 XeonSquared Chatzilla blends with your OS. Go figure
11:31 hello blends?
11:32 hello if you mean the fonts and stuff...
11:32 XeonSquared It's meant to fit in with your other applications and with your OS.
11:32 hello ...the font is different
11:32 XeonSquared That's configurable.
11:32 hello oh, ok
11:32 Krock go to the settings and change it to "Comic Sans MS"
11:32 XeonSquared ^
11:32 hello haha
11:32 XeonSquared or wingdings, if it's availabler
11:33 XeonSquared s/r$//
11:33 hello does this place use "monospace"? that looks the closest to this
11:33 XeonSquared sounds about right
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11:33 XeonSquared windows has nicer monospace fonts though
11:34 hello let me know if i'm annoying you guys
11:34 XeonSquared or not, maybe I'm thinking of XP
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11:36 hello can you guys tell me how i can join an irc channel so i can ask in irc help instead of bothering you guys?
11:36 XeonSquared /join #channel
11:36 Krock I prefer IRC with monospace but you may use any font
11:36 Krock usually you can also click on the channel link to join it
11:36 Krock right click, left click - depends on your client
11:37 hello trying to join this thing http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/credit.html
11:37 Krock well then, /join #IRChelp
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11:43 XeonSquared oh there's an xbox setting
11:43 XeonSquared ... which makes my controller not respond. fun.
11:44 XeonSquared yeah okay not working
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11:50 Gregory guys, i'm hello
11:50 Gregory i just joined with my client
11:51 XeonSquared yay
11:51 Gregory i tried leaving messages in all three irc help channels but no response
11:52 XeonSquared how long did you wait?
11:53 Gregory um
11:53 Gregory at a guess
11:53 Gregory it's been like 10-15 minutes?
11:53 XeonSquared not very long
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11:53 Gregory there's no timestamps so I can't remember
11:54 Gregory oh wait, I found how to see the timestamp
11:54 Gregory the first was like 15 minutes ago
11:54 Gregory then I joined the other two
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12:21 Gregory guys
12:21 Gregory am I right to tick "disable DPI scaling" for minetest?
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12:27 Krock use the try&error method
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12:29 Gregory i tried to join a server but it was glitched out
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12:47 Gregory do I need to create an account to be able to join most servers?
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13:00 Krock Spock!
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13:26 Gregory 3
13:26 Gregory spock
13:26 Gregory A way of referring to a highly intelligent and calm person. Usually a compliment.
13:26 Gregory "Wow, that guy is a real Spock, I thought he'd never be able to finish that code in time."
13:26 Gregory by Athene Airheart March 14, 2004
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17:38 GreenDimond Wuzzy: You are here! I need to figure out what I needed help with and then if you are ready that would be great
17:39 Wuzzy O HAI
17:39 Wuzzy I CAN HAZ DAIMONDZ?
17:39 GreenDimond SUR
17:40 GreenDimond HUR YOO GOH https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wnT​8zo3QP9A/maxresdefault.jpg
17:41 Wuzzy OHNOMNOM
17:42 GreenDimond Alright I think I am ready now
17:42 shalmezad So close to http://lolcode.org/, just a couple syntax errors here and there. :P
17:42 GreenDimond Amazing..
17:43 DS-minetest looks interesting
17:43 Wuzzy It's LOLSPEAK but whatever
17:43 GreenDimond Wuzzy, you ready? Or are you still munching on diamonds?
17:43 Wuzzy whats up
17:43 Wuzzy talk
17:43 GreenDimond Alright
17:44 GreenDimond So I am making double chests for farlands
17:44 GreenDimond And I would like to make them use the new open chest models
17:44 GreenDimond And I used your code from MCL2
17:44 GreenDimond and butchered it up
17:44 GreenDimond https://gist.github.com/GreenXenit​h/6e6f075aec63b2b024cea07f7b0af744
17:44 GreenDimond It don't work
17:45 Wuzzy chests are 100% static non-animated in MCL2
17:45 GreenDimond I am aware
17:45 Wuzzy idk if i can help
17:45 DS-minetest !mod connected_chests
17:45 MinetestBot DS-minetest: connected chests [connected_chests] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10264
17:46 GreenDimond DS-minetest, I already have chests that connect
17:46 GreenDimond The problem is getting them to open
17:46 DS-minetest is the only good doublechestmod i know
17:46 DS-minetest hmm
17:46 Wuzzy can you already access the formspec?
17:46 GreenDimond Um.
17:46 GreenDimond Its the wrong formspec I think
17:46 GreenDimond Oh
17:46 GreenDimond First off
17:47 GreenDimond when I place 2 chests next to each other nothing happens
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17:48 Wuzzy aha
17:51 GreenDimond aha?
17:55 Wuzzy i dont know why
17:55 Wuzzy what have u tried to debug this?
17:55 GreenDimond I dont think I have
17:56 Wuzzy ah i think i found the problem, probably
17:56 Wuzzy you use default.register_chest
17:56 GreenDimond I think I have to?
17:56 Wuzzy and default.register_chest just overwrites on_construct
17:56 GreenDimond ohh...
17:57 GreenDimond what should I do then?
17:57 Wuzzy first, look at what default.register_chest does
17:57 Wuzzy then compare it with the def you feed it
17:57 Wuzzy look what happens to on_construct
17:58 Wuzzy i believe you did this def.on_whatever thing to set default values. right?
17:58 GreenDimond which def. ?
17:58 Wuzzy anything
17:58 Wuzzy you set def.on_whatever many times
17:58 Wuzzy explicitly
17:58 Wuzzy in the register_chest function
17:58 Wuzzy and the actual on_whatever values just get overwritten
17:59 Wuzzy for example on_construct
17:59 GreenDimond I didnt set those
17:59 Wuzzy so it uses whatever on_construct you used in register_chest. always
17:59 GreenDimond Those are part of default
17:59 Wuzzy omg
17:59 Wuzzy line 105
17:59 GreenDimond At least I think they are
17:59 Wuzzy line 105!
18:00 GreenDimond That is part of default
18:00 Wuzzy what do you mean by that?
18:00 Wuzzy it is your nodes.lua
18:00 Wuzzy so you want to edit it, right?
18:00 GreenDimond *sigh*
18:01 Wuzzy well if you want to modify chests you have to change default anyway, right?
18:01 GreenDimond correct
18:01 Wuzzy or just rip it out completely like I did for MCL2
18:01 Wuzzy btw this step totally paid off
18:01 Wuzzy default is awful
18:02 Wuzzy so it looks like you must change default.register_chest
18:02 Wuzzy otherwise you will always lose whatever on_construct you feed this function
18:03 GreenDimond ok..
18:03 Wuzzy this function ALWAYS overwrites on_construct
18:03 Wuzzy do you want to be compatible with something?
18:03 GreenDimond how so
18:03 GreenDimond I am so confused right now sorry
18:04 Wuzzy well. How much is compability with Minetest Game a concern here?
18:04 GreenDimond I want to be able to make 2 chests become a large chest and make that large chest have the opening animation ._.
18:04 GreenDimond This isn't even Minetest Game
18:04 GreenDimond this is Farlands
18:04 GreenDimond As far as I am concerned I am not going to release this as a mod for MTG
18:04 Wuzzy Great
18:05 Wuzzy so we can completely ignore MTG compability
18:05 Wuzzy yes!!
18:05 GreenDimond Glad you are excited
18:05 Wuzzy well, then just go ahead and fix default.register_chest
18:05 Wuzzy did you write this function or is this an artifact from MTG?
18:05 GreenDimond I told you already ._.
18:05 GreenDimond Part of MTG
18:05 Wuzzy unmodified?
18:06 GreenDimond no
18:06 GreenDimond I had to modify it to work for big chests
18:06 GreenDimond oh wait
18:06 Wuzzy did you modify default.register_chest already or is it left untouched?
18:06 GreenDimond I am looking at the wrong function *facepalm*
18:06 Wuzzy not that it matters much
18:06 Wuzzy line 105 nodes.lua
18:07 GreenDimond I changed 8*4 to 9*6 :P
18:07 Wuzzy there is a facepalm smiley:
18:07 Wuzzy it goes like this
18:07 Wuzzy m(
18:07 GreenDimond hm..
18:07 GreenDimond I like *facepalm* better
18:07 Wuzzy xD
18:07 DS-minetest !c 8*4
18:07 MinetestBot 32
18:07 DS-minetest !c 9*6
18:07 MinetestBot 54
18:07 Wuzzy !c 7*4
18:07 MinetestBot 28
18:08 GreenDimond Actually I changed 2 8*4's to 9*6's
18:08 GreenDimond make that 3
18:08 Wuzzy do you understand the problem with this function now?
18:08 GreenDimond but thats all minor edits
18:08 DS-minetest !c 13*5
18:08 MinetestBot 65
18:09 GreenDimond !c 1937/38576*475639+3757-32857/4*3
18:09 GreenDimond heh
18:09 GreenDimond chew on that
18:09 GreenDimond xD
18:09 GreenDimond !c 9+10
18:09 GreenDimond o_O
18:09 Wuzzy bc calculates this in way under 0.1s
18:09 Wuzzy -20885
18:09 GreenDimond !c 1*3
18:10 GreenDimond I think I broke it
18:10 Wuzzy haahahaha you killed MinetetBot
18:10 GreenDimond *success*
18:10 DS-minetest don't abuse MinetestBot :(
18:10 DS-minetest hmm
18:10 GreenDimond It was an accidental kill xD
18:10 GreenDimond Wuzzy: Wat do?
18:10 Wuzzy do you understand the problem with this function now?
18:10 DS-minetest normally she doesn't do such big things
18:11 GreenDimond Not really?
18:11 Wuzzy for the third time
18:11 GreenDimond You didn't say anything
18:11 Wuzzy it overwrites your def values you feed into it
18:11 GreenDimond oh yeah
18:11 Wuzzy you feed a def into it
18:11 GreenDimond Yep
18:11 GreenDimond It overwrites on_construct and on_destruct I get it
18:12 Wuzzy what you could do is to first check if def.on_construct is nil. if it is nil, allow it to overwrite. if it is not nil, do NOT let it overwrite
18:12 Wuzzy repeat for all other def values
18:12 GreenDimond Yeah
18:12 GreenDimond all of them?
18:12 GreenDimond alright
18:12 Wuzzy it would be better i think
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18:13 Wuzzy that way, you could feed it an empty table then it just gets default values
18:13 Wuzzy not sure if it would work right now
18:13 Wuzzy but the idea is that the overwrites become default values
18:13 GreenDimond how do I check if the def is nil? if def.on_construct = nil then def.on_construct blablabla else def.onconstruct = {}
18:13 Wuzzy well, at least perform the check for all values you actually feed into the function
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18:13 GreenDimond no I did that way wrong
18:14 Wuzzy x == nil
18:14 Wuzzy thats all
18:14 GreenDimond .?
18:14 GreenDimond Just put a x == nil ?
18:14 Wuzzy if x is nil, this evaluates to true
18:14 GreenDimond what is x?
18:14 Wuzzy if x is non-nil, it evaulates to true
18:14 Wuzzy false*
18:14 Wuzzy just a placeholder
18:15 GreenDimond so x would be on_construct (or whatever def)
18:15 Wuzzy ANYTHING == nil checks if ANYTHING equals nil
18:15 GreenDimond So what if its not nil?
18:16 Wuzzy I think you should really beef up your Lua basics. The == operator is very basic stuff
18:16 Wuzzy false of course
18:16 GreenDimond I know what == os
18:16 GreenDimond *is
18:16 GreenDimond I just didnt know if false was the correct thing to put
18:16 GreenDimond I know lua basics
18:16 GreenDimond just not the minetest api :/
18:16 Wuzzy well you should also know that nil is a first-class value
18:16 GreenDimond yep
18:16 Wuzzy like basically anything else
18:16 Wuzzy and a check against nil is really just simple as that
18:16 Wuzzy just an equality check
18:17 Wuzzy this has nothing to do with Minetest
18:17 GreenDimond so I have
18:17 GreenDimond if on_construct = nil then def.on blablabla function here end else on_construct = false ..?
18:17 Wuzzy if def.whatever == nil then --[[ DO OVERWRITE ]] else --[[ SET def.whatever ]] end
18:17 GreenDimond oh def.
18:18 Wuzzy i hope you get the idea
18:18 GreenDimond alright
18:18 Wuzzy this was more like pseudocode :D
18:18 GreenDimond I get everything except
18:18 GreenDimond how do I set the def to whatever I define it as?
18:18 Wuzzy the idea is, if the value is nil, this means you didnt feed it into the function. so you can set the "default"
18:18 GreenDimond I know what it does!
18:19 GreenDimond Geez!
18:19 Wuzzy but if it is non-nil, it means you put it into the function call, so u use that instead
18:19 GreenDimond :|
18:19 Wuzzy what do u mean with that question
18:19 GreenDimond else --[[ SET def.whatever ]] end
18:19 GreenDimond do I set it as a table {} or what?
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18:20 GreenDimond else def.on_construct == ...
18:20 Wuzzy that would be def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:20 GreenDimond ah
18:20 GreenDimond that makes sense
18:20 Wuzzy because d is the original unchanged parameter. see header
18:20 Wuzzy well. you could also go for the very simple solution.
18:20 GreenDimond whats the difference?
18:21 Wuzzy just nuke everything and just register the node directly
18:21 GreenDimond nah
18:21 GreenDimond welll
18:21 GreenDimond hmmmm
18:21 GreenDimond no
18:21 Wuzzy ok
18:21 GreenDimond because then I would have to figure out how to open the model
18:21 Wuzzy ah, this is already in there
18:22 Wuzzy I suggest you first just fix this for on_construct and test if it works
18:22 GreenDimond thats what I am doing
18:22 GreenDimond and failing
18:22 Wuzzy post code
18:23 Wuzzy if it works, start replacing the other on_ functions. at least those you need to define explicitly
18:24 GreenDimond Wuzzy: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenit​h/bf05afd3e15a3374827782b3c682ec8f
18:25 Wuzzy if def.on_construt == nil then
18:25 Wuzzy typo
18:25 GreenDimond oh
18:25 Wuzzy thats why I don't like Lua much
18:25 GreenDimond oh boy the chests connect now
18:25 Wuzzy in other languages it won't even let you run the program
18:25 Wuzzy with an obvious typo like this
18:26 GreenDimond sheesh
18:26 Wuzzy well i blame Lua, not you
18:26 GreenDimond alright
18:26 GreenDimond now for the other part
18:26 GreenDimond how does one make chest open..?
18:26 Wuzzy if its about animations, I'm out
18:26 Wuzzy oops
18:26 GreenDimond nope
18:26 GreenDimond just switching models
18:27 Wuzzy look what MTG does?
18:27 GreenDimond Hrmmmmmmmm
18:27 GreenDimond I think nuking the on_construct messed up the model switching
18:27 Wuzzy i doubt it
18:27 GreenDimond ohhh
18:28 Wuzzy you are only replacing 4 lines and they just set meta stuff
18:28 GreenDimond minetest.swap_node(pos, {
18:28 GreenDimond name = "default:" .. name .. "_open",
18:28 GreenDimond Its not named that I think
18:28 Wuzzy sorry forget what I said
18:28 GreenDimond thats in a def.on_rightclick
18:28 GreenDimond oh
18:28 GreenDimond first
18:28 GreenDimond let me add that thing to the rest of the defs
18:29 Wuzzy GreenDimond: about this replacing ting
18:30 Wuzzy how often do you need default.register_chest?
18:30 Wuzzy i mean what kind of other chests do u plan?
18:30 GreenDimond I am not going to nuke the whole thing dude..
18:30 GreenDimond There are already 2 other kinds of chest
18:30 Wuzzy you dont have to
18:30 Wuzzy such as?
18:30 GreenDimond I would think they should stay
18:30 GreenDimond Just normal type chests
18:30 Wuzzy such as????
18:30 GreenDimond a bamboo chest I think
18:30 Wuzzy just dufferent skins?
18:30 GreenDimond pretty much
18:30 Wuzzy should they all be double chests?
18:31 GreenDimond no
18:31 GreenDimond no no nonono
18:31 Wuzzy why not?
18:31 GreenDimond because that wasnt in the contract
18:31 GreenDimond and its not necessary
18:31 GreenDimond but
18:31 GreenDimond it would be cool
18:31 GreenDimond I guess
18:31 GreenDimond I can always ask
18:31 Wuzzy so,, only the "normal" chest can be large, but the other ones not
18:32 GreenDimond Well first off, I am not making a large locked chest.
18:32 GreenDimond we already decided that
18:32 Wuzzy why not?
18:32 GreenDimond Because its way more work.. is it not?
18:32 GreenDimond Unless you have some magical fancy way of doing it up your digital sleeve
18:33 Wuzzy so there is no gameplay rationale whatsoever to not have large variants of the other type chests
18:33 GreenDimond *sigh*
18:33 GreenDimond Fine
18:33 GreenDimond If it is not too much of a hassle
18:33 Wuzzy well its your game, you decide
18:33 GreenDimond actually it really isnt xD
18:34 GreenDimond toby and D00Med own it xD
18:34 GreenDimond Im just a contributer :P
18:34 Wuzzy well if you already agreed on NOT having a large locked chest, just forget it
18:34 GreenDimond personally, I think it would be nice to have big chests of all types, but I thought it would be difficult
18:34 Wuzzy long story short, only "normal" chest is large
18:35 GreenDimond If you know a way it isnt difficult to make all chests large, then I will make them all large
18:35 GreenDimond but chests are the least of my todo list
18:35 GreenDimond https://github.com/D00Med/farlands​/issues/87#issuecomment-303241260
18:36 Wuzzy well lets not bother with this for now
18:36 Wuzzy its more important to get chests to work in te first place
18:36 GreenDimond I just need to get the chest model working
18:37 GreenDimond Then when I am done with a good bulk of other stuff, I can try the other chests.
18:38 Wuzzy but its definitely not out of reach for large chests of all types. you would want to move all the “large chest” code into default.register_chest. It's work, of course and I wouldn't do it until at least normal chests work perfectly
18:38 Wuzzy it could be tricky if chests need different features, like locked v non-locked
18:38 Wuzzy but as i said, lets focus on normal chest now
18:38 GreenDimond yeah
18:39 Wuzzy whats the problem with models?
18:39 GreenDimond they dont open
18:39 Wuzzy do you have models ready for the two "halves" ready?
18:40 GreenDimond its just the default model
18:40 GreenDimond thats all I need
18:40 Wuzzy oh wait
18:40 Wuzzy default model is alreay 1 wide, right?
18:40 GreenDimond Heres the strange part
18:40 Wuzzy but it may look strange in the middle
18:40 GreenDimond I have a way to fix that
18:40 GreenDimond leave that to me xD
18:40 Wuzzy ok
18:41 GreenDimond Heres the strange thing
18:41 GreenDimond If I place a chest_left or chest_right (from giveme), they do use the model (can open/close). However, the default chest does not, and neither does a big chest.
18:42 Wuzzy welll
18:42 Wuzzy def.on_rightclick
18:43 Wuzzy hmmm when i think about it
18:43 GreenDimond oh yeah
18:43 GreenDimond I was in the middle of adding that def thing when you asked that
18:44 Wuzzy have you committed already?
18:44 GreenDimond huh?
18:44 GreenDimond I haven't changed the gist yet
18:44 Wuzzy do you use version control?
18:45 GreenDimond We are talking about GitHub right?
18:45 Wuzzy no, Git
18:45 GreenDimond Oh
18:45 GreenDimond Um
18:45 GreenDimond No idea
18:45 Wuzzy then no
18:45 GreenDimond 'V1' isnt released yet? :P
18:45 Wuzzy you just edit on the raw file then, right?
18:45 Wuzzy ok
18:45 GreenDimond I am editing my local copy
18:46 GreenDimond OK I added the def stuff but it still dont work
18:46 Wuzzy when i think about it...
18:46 GreenDimond minetest.swap_node(pos, {
18:46 GreenDimond name = "default:" .. name .. "_open",
18:47 Wuzzy i dont know why we need all this implicity def.on_whatever setting in register_chest
18:47 GreenDimond ?
18:47 Wuzzy since you already set all of this explicitly in the call
18:47 Wuzzy if you just comment the section with all the def.on_whatever setting out...
18:48 Wuzzy then you just keep the values fed into the functions because it was copied from d
18:48 GreenDimond ?
18:48 GreenDimond what is that supposed to do?
18:48 Wuzzy i suppose you want to always set on_construct explicitly
18:48 GreenDimond I thought we were trying to get the chests to work?
18:49 Wuzzy if you comment the entire section from if def.protected then to def.on_blast = function(pos) out your code should be very simplified
18:50 Wuzzy its good to dump code which is never really run
18:50 Wuzzy but just comment it out first, not delete it
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18:51 GreenDimond ik ik
18:51 Wuzzy you might want to keep the key functions
18:51 Wuzzy on_key_use and on_skeleton_key_use
18:52 GreenDimond ehm
18:52 GreenDimond the locked chest broke
18:52 GreenDimond because I commented out the locked part
18:53 Wuzzy post code
18:53 GreenDimond ?
18:53 Wuzzy oh crap
18:53 Wuzzy you set nothing explicitly in chest_locked
18:53 GreenDimond that is correct
18:53 GreenDimond No need to
18:53 Wuzzy this means you need the entire sectin inside the protected branch
18:54 Wuzzy ok forget my out-commenting. this was silly
18:54 GreenDimond k
18:54 Wuzzy and show me the code then
18:54 GreenDimond Just refresh the page?
18:55 Wuzzy ok
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18:56 Wuzzy oops
18:56 Wuzzy else
18:56 Wuzzy def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:56 Wuzzy end
18:56 Wuzzy this else thing is actually nonsense
18:56 Wuzzy it actually does nothing, really
18:56 GreenDimond ?
18:56 Wuzzy because def.on_construct is ALREADY having this value
18:56 Wuzzy because it was copied from d long ago
18:56 GreenDimond I am so confuzzled
18:56 GreenDimond wat do
18:56 GreenDimond remove the else stuff?
18:57 Wuzzy i show you what happens:
18:57 Wuzzy def = table.copy(d)
18:57 Wuzzy wait
18:57 Wuzzy assume that def.on_construct is set
18:57 BakerPrime wow, this channel is busy
18:57 Wuzzy then function gets called
18:57 Wuzzy def = table.copy(d)
18:57 Wuzzy --lots of code later
18:58 Wuzzy if def.on_construct then
18:58 Wuzzy -- this part gets skipped
18:58 Wuzzy else
18:58 Wuzzy -- gets executed
18:58 * BakerPrime was watching from another IRC.
18:58 Wuzzy def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:58 Wuzzy end
18:58 GreenDimond mhmm..
18:58 GreenDimond so..
18:58 GreenDimond now what?
18:58 Wuzzy in other words the last statement is just like a = a
18:58 Wuzzy so pointless
18:59 GreenDimond ook
18:59 GreenDimond so
18:59 GreenDimond remove that part?
18:59 Wuzzy yes
18:59 Wuzzy for hte other 3 or 2, too of course
18:59 Wuzzy they are pointless
18:59 GreenDimond but leave the if def.bla = nil then
18:59 Wuzzy YES
18:59 BakerPrime Wuzzy: *the?
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19:03 Wuzzy GreenDimond: now waht happens if you rightclick? formspec opens, chest doesn't?
19:03 Wuzzy chest model*
19:03 GreenDimond correct
19:03 GreenDimond I am fighting with the locked chest formspec but I can deal with that later
19:03 Wuzzy hmm i would now say look at what the debug menu says but you cant look cuz formspec
19:04 GreenDimond theres a debug menu???
19:04 Wuzzy debug menu always tells you which node you point
19:04 Wuzzy not really a menu
19:04 Wuzzy just a screen
19:04 Wuzzy F5
19:04 GreenDimond oh you mean F5?
19:04 GreenDimond oh I can still see it
19:04 Wuzzy right
19:04 GreenDimond actually
19:04 GreenDimond the formspec is too big xD
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19:04 Wuzzy you must look what node name it shows
19:04 GreenDimond but it doesnt change when I open it
19:05 GreenDimond it shows default:chest_right
19:05 Wuzzy if it still says default:chest then that s the problem
19:05 GreenDimond even when I open it
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19:05 Wuzzy ah, but it must be default:chest_right_open
19:05 Wuzzy thats the problem
19:05 GreenDimond doesn't it create it's own default:chest_right_open?
19:05 GreenDimond scratch that it DOES make its on default:chest_right_open
19:06 GreenDimond because I have one sitting right over here
19:06 GreenDimond but I got that from giveme
19:06 GreenDimond not on_construct
19:06 Wuzzy so...
19:06 Wuzzy if you have default:chest_right placed by giveme
19:07 Wuzzy this "half" opens correctlY?
19:07 Wuzzy cool
19:07 GreenDimond correct
19:07 GreenDimond BTW
19:07 GreenDimond if we get this working
19:07 Wuzzy what happens if you place both chest_right and chest_left manually?
19:07 GreenDimond I can send you my code to add to MCL2
19:07 GreenDimond um
19:07 GreenDimond it looks like a big chest
19:07 GreenDimond but
19:07 GreenDimond I have to test to see if the meta is shared
19:07 GreenDimond I doubt it tho
19:07 Wuzzy probably not
19:07 Wuzzy just testing an idea
19:07 GreenDimond oh
19:08 GreenDimond inventory doesnt exist
19:08 GreenDimond imagine that
19:08 Wuzzy hmm where can I eownload the whole thing so I can test? its hard to test without anything to run? :D
19:08 GreenDimond https://github.com/D00Med/farlands
19:09 GreenDimond download that
19:09 GreenDimond um
19:09 GreenDimond well
19:09 Wuzzy and I can apply your gist right on top of that?
19:09 GreenDimond no
19:09 GreenDimond its more complicated then that
19:09 Wuzzy ;-(
19:09 GreenDimond erm
19:09 GreenDimond hm
19:09 GreenDimond let
19:09 GreenDimond me
19:09 GreenDimond zip up my version and send that to ya
19:09 GreenDimond less work for you
19:10 Wuzzy well i only have to change nodes.lua then, right?
19:10 GreenDimond erm
19:10 GreenDimond I dont remember
19:10 GreenDimond I know you need some textures too
19:10 Wuzzy not really
19:10 Wuzzy we test the model, not textrues
19:11 GreenDimond Problem is I dont remember if I changed other code too
19:11 Wuzzy we'll se. just gimme code. gimme gimme gimme
19:11 Wuzzy xD
19:11 GreenDimond so what I am sending you is a slightly outdated version of farlands with a snippet of my code (because I have a heap of other code that needs to get done in my copy)
19:13 GreenDimond Wuzzy, http://www.filedropper.com/farlands
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19:17 Wuzzy doesn't work when I overwrite nodes.lua
19:17 GreenDimond dont overwrite anything
19:17 GreenDimond thats the whole subgame
19:17 GreenDimond :P
19:18 GreenDimond stick it in yer "games" folder
19:18 Wuzzy but i need to edit nodes.lua to track your edits, remember?
19:18 GreenDimond nope
19:19 GreenDimond that includes my edits
19:19 GreenDimond that is my copy of farlands that I was working on
19:19 GreenDimond Hence why I sent you a filedropper link instead of a GitHub link
19:21 Wuzzy testing right now
19:21 Wuzzy i can reproduce your problems
19:21 Wuzzy weeeeird
19:25 GreenDimond it doesnt have to get done today
19:25 GreenDimond Question
19:25 GreenDimond 2 questions
19:25 GreenDimond 1st one is, for MCL2, are you going to make parrots tameable so they can sit on your shoulder like in MC?
19:26 GreenDimond Also, has you seen my reply to your post on MCL2Plus? It was an idea for lighting the End, but I can tell you here if you rather.
19:27 Wuzzy parrots, like all mobs,are WIP
19:28 GreenDimond tru
19:28 Wuzzy parrots are an 1.12 feature, so automatically lower priority
19:28 Wuzzy i probably just disable spawning them until the behave at least semi-reasonable
19:28 Wuzzy i dont really like parrots now
19:28 Wuzzy they just float in mid-air with no animation. very weird
19:29 GreenDimond sometimes yeah
19:29 Wuzzy they are really just good for the feathers now
19:29 Wuzzy might as well just make a spawn egg mob
19:29 Wuzzy spawn rate is already intentionally low
19:29 Wuzzy technically parrots are tamable already
19:29 Wuzzy the tame variable is set, i believe
19:29 Wuzzy but there is no difference in behaviour xD
19:30 Wuzzy I did not readl the reply yet. busy with you now
19:31 GreenDimond Well ill tell you now
19:31 Wuzzy WAAAAAT
19:31 Wuzzy i just learned that on_rightclick is not even called !!!
19:31 Wuzzy for default:chest_right/left
19:31 Wuzzy when those were created by placement of default:chest
19:31 Wuzzy but it *is* called when placed by HAX
19:31 Wuzzy W
19:32 Wuzzy T
19:32 Wuzzy F
19:32 Wuzzy how is this even ...?
19:32 GreenDimond Instead of generating air in the End, generate air that produces light level 15.
19:32 Wuzzy nooooooo
19:32 Wuzzy this is wrong on so many levels
19:32 Wuzzy this messes up with everything
19:33 Wuzzy i only want normal air, not crazy air
19:33 Wuzzy also, nodes can no longer produe light level 15
19:33 GreenDimond well its just a suggestion :P
19:33 Wuzzy that is reserved exclusively for sunlight
19:33 GreenDimond ok then produce light_max
19:33 Wuzzy max liight is 14
19:33 Wuzzy no, this is a terrible hack
19:34 Wuzzy realms are *already* a hack. lets not add to it
19:34 GreenDimond truuu
19:34 Wuzzy long story short: Rejected!
19:34 GreenDimond fine with meh xD
19:34 Wuzzy but i am super confused now
19:34 Wuzzy how on Earth can it be that the *same* freaking node gets on_rightclick called in one occasion
19:34 Wuzzy but it is not called at all on a different occasion
19:35 Wuzzy ok not  the *same* node. same node type
19:35 Wuzzy this should be impossible, right?
19:35 GreenDimond I dont know thats why I ask for your help xD
19:35 Wuzzy that would mean the node definitoion magically changed between nodes?!
19:35 Wuzzy did you already know taht on_rightclick is not even called?
19:35 GreenDimond I didnt know that xD
19:36 Wuzzy but it makes no fucking sense
19:36 GreenDimond I just knew that the model didnt switch xD
19:37 Wuzzy maybe you found an engine bug... i need to look into this deep. because silly things like this should never happen
19:37 Wuzzy the same on_rigtclick must be called no matter what
19:37 GreenDimond oh boy..
19:38 Wuzzy GreenDimond: sometimes it is very helpful to just sprinkle random debug output messages in your code. just to see where your code goes.
19:38 KaadmY Well there's your problem, you're using on_rigtclick instead of on_rightclick
19:38 GreenDimond ...
19:39 Wuzzy ...
19:39 KaadmY ...
19:39 GreenDimond where?
19:39 KaadmY [12:37:27] <Wuzzy> the same on_rigtclick must be called no matter what
19:39 Wuzzy nowhere. its not true
19:39 Wuzzy on_rightclick*
19:39 KaadmY :P
19:39 GreenDimond gosh darn it KaadmY
19:39 Wuzzy I wish we would have a REAL debugger but oh well.
19:40 Wuzzy or is there a real debugger for lua , i just dont know it?
19:40 Wuzzy i could debug minetest with gdb but i have no idea what to do with my Lua code... :(
19:41 Wuzzy okay GreenDimond. I think I can't help you with your on_rightclick problem for now
19:41 Wuzzy what I do instead now is researching on why the hell this is happening
19:41 Wuzzy I try to reproduce this bug in different situations
19:41 Wuzzy if it turns out it's a MT bug, I'll report it of course
19:41 Wuzzy and of course I will notify u
19:42 * KaadmY expects it's something really lame
19:42 KaadmY Is on_rightclick overridden anywhere?
19:42 Wuzzy yes
19:42 Wuzzy well..
19:42 Wuzzy here is the situation
19:42 Wuzzy I have one node bla:bli
19:42 Wuzzy I place it on the ground
19:42 Wuzzy it has on_rightlick defined. in the node def
19:43 Wuzzy I have a debug message right at the start of that function
19:43 Wuzzy i have placed this node two times
19:43 Wuzzy the first time it is placed by hand
19:43 Wuzzy directly
19:43 Wuzzy the second time it is placed indirectly by swap_node or set_node
19:43 Wuzzy now.
19:44 Wuzzy It is reasonable to expect that BOTH nodes give you the debug mesage when rightclicked. right?
19:44 Wuzzy the fact that those 2 nodes were placed differently should have no impact
19:44 Wuzzy remember both nodes are of the same type bla:bli
19:44 KaadmY Yeah
19:44 Wuzzy but here we have a situation where the one nodes does NOT give debug output.
19:44 Wuzzy thats the WTF moment
19:45 Wuzzy and if its an overwrite problem like you suggest
19:45 GreenDimond It might be because the on_construct did not take place
19:45 Wuzzy then either both nodes should work or both nodes hsould be broken
19:45 KaadmY Just `grep on_rightclick * -R`
19:45 KaadmY See if ANYTHING uses on_rightclick that might have broken it
19:46 Wuzzy i dont get it
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19:46 Wuzzy i dont get the logic behind that one
19:46 Wuzzy no matter how crazy u have overwritten on_rightclick
19:46 Wuzzy then either both or none nodes should work
19:48 Wuzzy and no, KaadmY. I don't find anything suspicious
19:48 KaadmY Yeah
19:48 Wuzzy I try to reproduce this bug in isolation
19:49 Wuzzy ohh
19:49 Wuzzy now i know what may be the problem
19:49 Wuzzy if the node has a formspec attached to it. it kills on_rightclick. right?
19:50 GreenDimond shouldnt
19:51 KaadmY Hm
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19:55 Wuzzy yep
19:55 Wuzzy it definitely is the formspec
19:55 Wuzzy stuuuupid
19:56 Wuzzy if you set formspec via node metadata, on_rightclick is never called
19:56 Wuzzy the difference between the nodes was indeed this
19:56 Wuzzy the one had formspec metadata, the other one didn't
19:56 Wuzzy this is annoying
19:56 KaadmY Wow
19:57 Wuzzy hmm I believe on_rightclick should be called anyways, right?
19:57 Wuzzy even if that node got a formspec
19:58 Wuzzy in this case, I was right. engine bug
19:58 Wuzzy huh? not even in issue tracker yet...
19:58 KaadmY Probably just (bad) intended behaviour
20:00 Wuzzy GreenDimond: I think I know the solution to your model problem. As soon you place the chest next to another chest, the node gets the formspec metadata assigned
20:01 Wuzzy ok this was not the solution yet
20:01 Wuzzy the solution would be to *not* set the formspec via metadata. instead you open the formspec of the large chest "half" node in on_rightclick
20:01 Wuzzy just like you do for the single chest
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20:02 Wuzzy This is basically what I also did in mcl_chest
20:02 GreenDimond ?
20:02 Wuzzy .............
20:03 Wuzzy in on_construct of default:chest
20:03 Wuzzy you set "formspec" metadata.
20:03 GreenDimond erm
20:03 Wuzzy this is not the way to do it, it breaks the on_rightclick function
20:04 Wuzzy instead, you have to open the formspec in on_rightclick itself
20:04 GreenDimond but the chests have to share metadata
20:04 Wuzzy just look at mcl_chests to learn how I open the formspec
20:04 GreenDimond I am using your method
20:04 GreenDimond I think
20:05 Wuzzy no, you don't. you set "formspec" metadata
20:05 Wuzzy only this metadata is critical. the other metadata must of course sta
20:05 Wuzzy stay*
20:05 GreenDimond oh I think that's because I changed to using the default.register_chest
20:05 Wuzzy no, this is not the reason
20:06 GreenDimond alright what code do I change xD
20:06 Wuzzy you do m:set_string("formspec", blablabla)
20:06 Wuzzy this is the current (wrong) situation
20:06 Wuzzy use minetest.open_formspec for ALL the 3 node pieces (single, left, right)
20:06 Wuzzy really just look at mcl_chests
20:07 Wuzzy note the lack of meta:set_string("formspec") for the chests
20:07 Wuzzy I hope you can do this alone. you'Re on your own for the rest of the day.
20:07 Wuzzy I have  a bug to report
20:08 GreenDimond I might just ask you tomorrow :P
20:08 GreenDimond if I cant figure it out on my own
20:09 Wuzzy How is the Farlands projects going, by the way?
20:10 Wuzzy I admit I have never played it
20:10 GreenDimond Not sure
20:10 GreenDimond it seems its going well
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20:10 GreenDimond I do a lot of other stuff
20:10 GreenDimond so I dont keep up with everything
20:10 Wuzzy it looks cool imo
20:10 GreenDimond I think it is :P
20:10 Wuzzy this game has on my todo list for long
20:11 Wuzzy i like the corals
20:11 tumeninodes Hay guys. Sorry to butt in just a quick question. GD, did you make a double open chest model?
20:11 GreenDimond nope tumeninodes
20:11 GreenDimond using the default
20:11 GreenDimond dont need a large chest model
20:11 Wuzzy i always like it when MC-like games add some sea life. most MC-like (including MC itself) have little to no sea life whatsoever. very sad
20:11 tumeninodes For what you wish to do, you need a single dble wide model
20:12 GreenDimond tumeninodes, not necessarily
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20:12 tumeninodes how without dble? I'm curious now :P
20:12 Wuzzy the MC open model is exactly 1 node wide
20:12 Wuzzy MTG*
20:13 GreenDimond if chest_right switches models, then switch the chest_left one too
20:13 GreenDimond simple
20:13 tumeninodes Wuzzy, the default
20:13 Wuzzy why does it have to be a *single* model?
20:13 GreenDimond are you asking tumeni?
20:14 Wuzzy hmm beause of the vertices and faces, right?
20:14 GreenDimond the model doesnt need to switch
20:14 GreenDimond I mean
20:14 Wuzzy you *could* also stick to the voxel ideology and split it in "half", one for each node
20:14 GreenDimond It doesnt need a new model
20:14 tumeninodes I'm just sayin' While the closed chest is fine to use the same original setup, a new dble size model should be required to open
20:14 GreenDimond just detect the model switch
20:14 GreenDimond no it doesnt need a new model
20:15 GreenDimond if one chest opens, then open the one next to it too. 'tis simple.
20:15 tumeninodes that is the thing GD, you want to switch to the new model for open, append the formspec to the new model
20:15 tumeninodes seems to me using 2 models in this situation is twice the work
20:16 tumeninodes Wuzzy, yes "because vertices and faces"
20:16 Wuzzy :D
20:17 Wuzzy i am quite sad to see nodeboxes slowly die
20:17 Wuzzy in MTG not even stairs have nodeboxes
20:17 tumeninodes nah they are not, look at my facade mod if you wanna see some hardcore nodeboxes :P
20:18 GreenDimond hehe
20:18 Wuzzy this is sad because nodeboxes are super easy to edit
20:18 tumeninodes but they are hungry
20:18 GreenDimond I prefer meshes :P
20:18 Wuzzy i understand the need to reduce the number of faces, but why not optimize nodeboxes automatically?
20:18 tumeninodes GD makes very nice meshes ;)
20:18 GreenDimond indeed :D
20:19 GreenDimond wait where have you seen my meshes? o_O
20:19 Wuzzy thats why I keep nodeboxes whereever possible
20:19 tumeninodes takes twice the work to optimize them automagically than simply start with a mesh
20:19 Wuzzy not neccessarily
20:19 tumeninodes I saw the chimes and gift boxes posted on HT
20:19 GreenDimond oh you did? :D
20:20 Wuzzy minetest really just needs to generate a mesh out of the nodebox definition *once*
20:20 Wuzzy then just re-use this one
20:20 tumeninodes I have to run but, I really think you should try the single new model for dbl chests
20:20 Wuzzy i find it hard to belive this has any impact on performance
20:21 Wuzzy ok for chests a model makes sense esp open ones
20:21 GreenDimond ?
20:21 tumeninodes but Wuzzy, after some time every little byte helps and becomes more precious
20:21 Wuzzy tumeninodes: the only impact such an optimziation routine will have is the loading time where it generates the meshes ONCE. after it is done no further impact
20:22 GreenDimond reusing the same mesh saves more performance than using 2 meshes
20:22 GreenDimond *reusing the same mesh twice saves more performance than using a new mesh
20:22 Wuzzy who talks about 2 meshes?!
20:22 tumeninodes Wuzzy, I "think" some of it also has to do with a "polished" end product on the dev end
20:23 tumeninodes I still love nodeboxes too... cuz /me sucks at blendy
20:23 tumeninodes :D
20:23 GreenDimond if I make a new mesh for the large chest thats another mesh to load
20:23 Wuzzy well the big plus for nodeboxes is they are super easy to edit. if performance wins, then nodeboxes are going to die completely. which is sad
20:23 GreenDimond its better to just use 2 of the already used mesh
20:24 Wuzzy well i think i suggest this nodebox optimization by myself and look what the devs think
20:24 Wuzzy because i dont want nodeboxes to die
20:25 Wuzzy i think we can have ease-of-edit of node-boxes *without* sacrificing performance
20:25 tumeninodes gonna take engine play to tweak
20:26 Wuzzy also it seems especially silly to me that STAIRS are done as mesh instead of a nodebox. one of the simplest shapes EVER... still not a nodeboxes. xD
20:26 GreenDimond I made the new corner stair meshes :P
20:26 tumeninodes GD, a single open model for single chests / single model for dbl wide chests
20:27 tumeninodes yes he did... Lets gettem!
20:27 GreenDimond D:
20:27 GreenDimond xD
20:27 tumeninodes ok, serz gusta go guys.. ttyl (do the dble wide model)
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20:34 GreenDimond Hey
20:34 GreenDimond Hey Wuzzy
20:34 GreenDimond want some cringgggggge?
20:34 Wuzzy DO WANT
20:34 GreenDimond https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=286597#p286597
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20:41 GreenDimond have you reported bug yet Wuzzy sir? :P
20:42 Wuzzy TODO
20:42 GreenDimond I SEE
20:48 GreenDimond I am going to make a particle cannon
20:48 GreenDimond (in blender)
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20:55 Wuzzy GreenDimond: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6195
20:55 GreenDimond +1
20:59 GreenDimond EEVEE is awesome O_O
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21:05 GreenDimond I cant wait for Blender 2.8...
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22:15 Zehra Greetings all,
22:15 Zehra I know this probably has been asked before, but I'll ask anyways.
22:16 Zehra How would I throw snow in Minetest ?
22:16 Zehra (In the sense of a snowball.)
22:17 Zehra Or would this require a mod ?
22:18 calcul0n i think there's a mod for this yes
22:20 Zehra Ah okay.
22:20 calcul0n https://github.com/Splizard/minetest-mod-snow
22:20 calcul0n this is just the first google result, looks like there are some other ones
22:23 Zehra calcul0n: Thank you.
22:23 Zehra I think this will work perfectly.
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23:08 swift110 hey all
23:08 bigfoot547 Hi swift110
23:10 swift110 how are you bigfoot547
23:10 swift110 hey Zehra
23:10 bigfoot547 I'm good
23:10 Zehra hi swift110
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23:13 Guest75304 Hey guys, i got a quick and hopefully easy question. I been using World Edit. But have dark places now. I ahve tried Fix lighting many times yet it don't do anything. Is there anything else I could try?
23:13 swift110 how are you Zehra
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23:19 Guest75304 Wait i think i got it.
23:19 Guest75304 i had to update like 95 million blocks
23:19 Zehra I'm doing alright swift110
23:20 Zehra Although I'm still somewhat of a newbie at Minetest.
23:21 Guest75304 Well some of the dark places come right back when I walk over it...
23:22 Guest75304 Is there anyway to view a preview of MTS files before placing them when importing them?
23:22 rdococ eh?
23:24 swift110 Not more of a newbie than i am zehra
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